**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 23 02:59:57 2010 Jan 23 04:00:01 ran into limits on phonelog - fixed but still cant view/clear last missed call - how? Jan 23 06:52:37 Whatever, disabled the triggers Jan 23 06:56:19 I'd still prefer to have a little spam and some extra +R -R toggling to having the channel +R all the time. Of course big silly warning for silly people is not useful. But even with that i'd not say it doubles the spam. Compare the amount of spam that would be here with -R all the time to that you saw with the silly warning. Jan 23 06:56:24 ndnihil: ^^^ Jan 23 06:58:00 And nprice is just mean, it's not our fault we do not use any decent irc bot (eggdrop?) :/ Jan 23 07:06:29 :| Jan 23 09:02:06 hello Jan 23 09:02:35 i use the shr-distribution Jan 23 09:03:05 how can i prevent it to turn my leds of in suspend mode? Jan 23 09:03:16 PaulFert`: I'm fine with the +R bot. Just remove the warning post please. Then go -R again please Jan 23 09:03:41 i dont even know which instance is responsible for suspending Jan 23 09:03:41 BadZad: as larsc Jan 23 09:03:47 BadZad: ask larsc Jan 23 09:03:55 ok thx Jan 23 09:04:19 larsc: ^^^ Jan 23 09:05:32 DocScrutinizer: well, if you think that's still desirable... Jan 23 09:06:31 PaulFertser: yup. of course only if you re-enable the triggers :-) Jan 23 09:06:46 http:// Jan 23 09:07:16 i got deoped Jan 23 09:08:13 http:// Jan 23 09:09:53 http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// Jan 23 09:11:34 PaulFertser: thanks :-) Jan 23 09:36:14 larsc: ping Jan 23 09:36:52 pong Jan 23 09:37:27 larsc: see badzad question above. though he left meanwhile Jan 23 09:37:49 DocScrutinizer: he queried me Jan 23 09:38:27 ooh too bad. I'd be interested in thr A as well Jan 23 09:39:03 depends on your kernel version Jan 23 11:02:46 is SHR:U safew to upgrade? Jan 23 11:02:57 s/safew/safe Jan 23 11:27:08 anyone know how to get the "Loading" notification in the home screen in shr-u? Jan 23 11:27:49 the one that is displayed right after selecting one of the desktop items Jan 23 11:50:48 hi Jan 23 11:51:53 is there a possibility to run a fake gsm modem for fsod on my laptop? Jan 23 12:03:23 Hi PaulFertser Jan 23 12:03:36 are you going to FOSDEM Jan 23 12:03:38 ? Jan 23 12:06:58 panicking: nope, didn't plan it Jan 23 12:07:38 I'm going there Jan 23 12:07:46 hope that I meet some openmoko guy Jan 23 12:07:49 personally Jan 23 12:11:31 zem_: /join #openmoko-cdevel, ask mickey|office Jan 23 12:43:34 PaulFertser: inspired by yesterday talk about accamulators, i did some measurements, can we discuss? Jan 23 12:44:23 gena2x: hi :) Jan 23 12:44:26 gena2x: let's try Jan 23 12:44:49 ok, first i removed main battery. Jan 23 12:44:56 desoldered small one Jan 23 12:45:32 get 2 multimeters, one connected between + marked on board and + of battery Jan 23 12:45:57 second measuring voltage between - and + on board Jan 23 12:46:20 (i soldered some wires to do this) Jan 23 12:47:47 now i do following: insert or remove usb and turn NOR-uboot on or off. Jan 23 12:48:49 charging working as expected: i see current of 5 ua, slowly decreasing to 3 ua after 30 minutes. Jan 23 12:48:59 gena2x: 19-12-2009 01:09:38 > PaulFertser: cz_jc: looks like gta02 lacks protection of bupbat from deep discharge Jan 23 12:49:02 and that is the reason it degraded in almost all devices. Jan 23 12:50:33 i see that is battery voltage is less than 0,5V current is zero Jan 23 12:50:44 So the battery is dead i guess. Jan 23 12:51:14 it is never discarged more that 0.5V Jan 23 12:51:22 than Jan 23 12:52:39 mb you know how usual deep discarge should work? Jan 23 12:52:50 deep discharge protection i mean Jan 23 12:53:29 gena2x: in this particular case i've no idea. But in general the current should be simply cut after reaching the threshold. Jan 23 12:54:17 this seem work in our case - I see that after reaching in fact 0.37V current stops. Jan 23 12:54:26 look like discharge protection? Jan 23 12:54:35 gena2x: you're talking about the charging. Jan 23 12:55:06 oh, yes. I were talking about everything at once :) Jan 23 12:55:48 gena2x: a good battery should be able to charge to 3V Jan 23 12:56:10 about discharging - i see that on discharge current flow is zero than battery reach 0.48 Volts Jan 23 12:56:20 It is charged Jan 23 12:56:34 battery's dead Jan 23 12:57:09 errr? Jan 23 12:57:12 gena2x: i mean it was deeply discharged several times while the device was waiting for you to use it. Jan 23 12:57:16 DocScrutinizer51: backup battery Jan 23 12:57:20 * DocScrutinizer51 checks backscroll Jan 23 12:57:24 aaah Jan 23 12:58:14 can i check this in this way - charge it in openmoko, than add load to have 5ua current and measure how long it will last? Jan 23 12:58:33 usual resistor as a load Jan 23 12:58:34 well seems quite are share of those is seriously borked Jan 23 12:58:55 s/are /a / Jan 23 12:58:56 DocScrutinizer51 meant: well seems quite a share of those is seriously borked Jan 23 12:58:59 gena2x: it should be charged to 3V first. And i guess you battery's dead already. Jan 23 12:59:17 DocScrutinizer51: my guess is they got dead due to uncontrolled discharge. Jan 23 12:59:19 i just want to be sure Jan 23 12:59:29 gena2x: sounds quite reasonable Jan 23 12:59:57 ok, so i'll try this first to see if battery dead Jan 23 13:00:24 PaulFert`: a bupbat *ought* be immune to deep discharge Jan 23 13:00:32 DocScrutinizer51: how? Jan 23 13:00:59 it's a completely different cell chemistry obviously Jan 23 13:01:18 I haven't read the datasheet for this particular battery yet. Jan 23 13:01:22 and you can't stop a bupbat from deep discharge usually Jan 23 13:01:42 i am reading spec for battery Jan 23 13:01:48 nevertheless see above Jan 23 13:02:17 chargemax is some 2V4 to 2V8 iirc Jan 23 13:02:33 it says 'excellent over discharge characteristics' Jan 23 13:04:03 if i don't miss anything, it is 628-HB414-IV01E (only appropriate thing in Werner list of gta02-core parts) Jan 23 13:04:22 gena2x: I recently sent a few dozen spare to cz_jc. No reports yet if they work for him. Anyway if you ever feel like replacing - just query me Jan 23 13:04:53 DocScrutinizer51: pcf50633 allows either 2.5 or 3V to charge backup bat. Jan 23 13:05:05 ok Jan 23 13:06:07 gena2x: there's also a BOM for gta02 available. http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/BOM/BOM.xls Jan 23 13:06:20 also, in spec for battery: charging voltage 1.8-3.3V Jan 23 13:06:29 thanks, i'll check now Jan 23 13:15:08 yes, it's in list. Jan 23 13:59:54 Morning all Jan 23 14:06:49 Somebody (Joerg?) said that the battery-low-won't-charge problem is solved in a7 hardware. Is this something that can be retrofitted to a5 hardware, similar to the buzz fix? Jan 23 14:07:27 yep it can Jan 23 14:09:28 just change the buffer cap which is already retrofitted to a 100uF type Jan 23 14:09:38 that's good news, thanks. Jan 23 14:10:02 welcome Jan 23 14:11:22 DocScrutinizer: battery - http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Mobile-Phone-Battery-Charger/dp/B001AHU6QU ? Jan 23 14:11:27 hmm Jan 23 14:11:29 idarwin: please note I'm talking mere hypothetics here. No one ever has tested if it actually pans out Jan 23 14:12:14 SpeedEvil: huh? Jan 23 14:12:22 These things will not charge a totally dead battery though - it needs some voltage so they can work out which way round it is Jan 23 14:12:24 AIUI Jan 23 14:12:40 other way round battery will not charge Jan 23 14:13:10 Right, I have one of those and have hd to use it more times than I'd like Jan 23 14:13:25 ah Jan 23 14:13:41 yeah - if it's regular... Jan 23 14:13:52 I once seen one of those. Looked *really* scary Jan 23 14:13:52 it does the job but is a bit ungainly and yes, it needs a few joules left to light an LED so you know if it's the right way around. Jan 23 14:14:39 and also looked like it's a diode bridge, a C for current reduction, and some plastics Jan 23 14:14:59 real shock hazard Jan 23 14:19:47 It has two little claws that can be spread out to match the size of the battery and you have to sort of land the battery on the claws to make contact, so it can do any battery (ISTR doing my blackberry too once, I was using it as a flashlight and totally killed the battery on it, which I thought only FR up to A5 was able to do :-)) Jan 23 14:40:33 idarwin: I've got an A7, and I'm not sure the fix is in, but then again I'm wrestling with what looks like a corrupted distro on SD Jan 23 14:42:56 yeah, this card is toast. Jan 23 14:45:08 Broam: A7 *is* fixed Jan 23 14:46:08 DocScrutinizer: ok. Haven't tested it, mainly because I was horribly paranoid about losing the battery...I don't see the light come on when I plug in, though--not until SHR picks it up Jan 23 14:46:37 Broam: please don't confuse uBoot bootloader issues with wont-boot-at-all of A5 Jan 23 14:48:01 DocScrutinizer: I'm talking about battery charging... Jan 23 14:48:13 Broam: me too Jan 23 14:52:05 Broam: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_(GTA02)_Battery#Make_sure_your_battery_never_discharges_completely. Jan 23 14:58:22 reading Jan 23 15:01:31 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/Schematics_Freerunner-GTA02_A5-A7cumulative_public_RC0.pdf Jan 23 15:01:46 A5 : C1767 =4.7uF Jan 23 15:01:48 A6 : C1767=47uF Jan 23 15:01:49 A7 : C1767=100uF Jan 23 15:03:23 DocScrutinizer: aha. At any rate--do you know if SHR fscks on boot? Jan 23 15:04:01 doesn't Jan 23 15:06:56 DocScrutinizer: I'm having a lot of issues after I had an application lock up, and then suspend locked up, and I ended up having to pull the battery (yay unstable). Pulling the uSD out and fscking it on my Ubuntu box says it's clean. Is it best to just reformat & reinstall at this point? Jan 23 15:07:49 DocScrutinizer I'm assuming that something got corrupted Jan 23 15:08:10 Broam: compare against backups? Jan 23 15:08:25 lindi-: I don't have any backups, but thankfully all contacts are on SIM Jan 23 15:08:49 Broam: hard to debug then Jan 23 15:08:50 lindi-: I was basically just stoked I could use the thing as a phone (after GSM-11 flash) Jan 23 15:08:53 well if it doesn't boot anymore then yes, probably just reinstalling is best. Though I fail to see what might have caused that failure to boot if there's no errors in fs Jan 23 15:09:15 DocScrutinizer: it boots, but applications hang a lot more often than they did beforehand Jan 23 15:09:58 DocScrutinizer: to make things worse--this is the much-maligned Kingston uSD card that didn't work until recent revisions of uboot/qi Jan 23 15:10:06 I'm just gonna redo it on another brand Jan 23 15:10:16 I'd suggest to just unpack to rootfs to the uSD without new formatting prior to that. maybe even create a backup of the old conjtent Jan 23 15:10:40 DocScrutinizer: might not be a bad idea. I wonder if the swap space is corrupt--how could one go about checking that? Jan 23 15:10:55 Made 64MB swapfile on uSD Jan 23 15:11:00 yeah IO errors may cause hangs. copy kingston to another card Jan 23 15:11:09 reformat won't help Jan 23 15:11:42 backing up. Jan 23 15:11:43 swapoff? Jan 23 15:12:27 DocScrutinizer: I could, but the stability of the phone improved immensely with it on Jan 23 15:12:38 DocScrutinizer: oomkiller was a little less trigger happy Jan 23 15:22:29 ...my cat is now sitting on my sd reader. Jan 23 15:22:55 I hope she doesn't disrupt the tarchiving process. Jan 23 15:23:51 DocScrutinizer: would this cause a hang: fe091331-6ca8-4e82-b572-550c9fc5ea0d/home/root/.e/e/config/illume-shr/exehist.cfg: Cannot stat: Input/output error Jan 23 15:24:17 (that's from tar) Jan 23 15:24:47 no idea. if any doubt I'd vote for YES Jan 23 15:25:47 DocScrutinizer: thoguht so. Going to reinstall latest shr-unstable from scratch on a new card. Jan 23 15:25:54 Thanks for your help. Jan 23 15:27:14 I'll take a stab and say that illume probably uses that file quite a bit...that would explain why launching applications is dicey Jan 23 15:27:19 Broam: openmoko cat, in ur SD reader, fixing ur bitbake? Jan 23 15:27:50 Weiss: I have a FreeRunner A7. I was having issues with my uSD. I thought my Cat caused the I/O error...she didn't. Jan 23 15:28:18 Weiss: the uSD is a Kingston SD-C02G, which has known issues Jan 23 15:48:54 gena2x: so does jabber.org not work for you as well? Jan 23 15:58:43 aww. enlightenment sigaborted Jan 23 16:01:37 hi Jan 23 16:03:07 hi PBeck Jan 23 16:04:59 hi Broam Jan 23 16:06:50 SHR unstable is segfaulting a lot on this install. Wonder what I messed up when I did it Jan 23 16:10:14 I made the swapfile on this machine, not the phone...that could be it Jan 23 16:28:11 Guys, please can anybody confirm if jabber.org XMPP working for you? Jan 23 16:37:48 Hm, it works but only without ssl Jan 23 16:37:51 And without my roster Jan 23 16:44:29 * jaj throws an ejabberd at PaulFert` Jan 23 16:46:28 jaj: you know what? jabber.org had experienced instability problems for long time with ejabberd, ejabberd developers were actively participating but couldn't help. Now they're switching to a proprietary solution even. Jan 23 16:47:12 jaj: and anyway i've no private server and changing one's address is not fast and easy (to contact all the peers etc) and i can't even get my roster atm. Jan 23 17:18:26 ugh. Jan 23 17:18:36 can't get SHR to behave Jan 23 17:24:35 r6.1 kernel? Jan 23 17:24:59 i had to use r7 Jan 23 17:25:42 latest testing image Jan 23 17:25:52 from 15 jan this year Jan 23 17:26:12 thankfully I made 2 usd cards of it Jan 23 17:27:34 * DocScrutinizer suggests SHR-testing for working phone. And complaining about SHR-U madness should got to #openmoko-cdevel rather than here Jan 23 17:28:35 but r6.1 kernel is that one from shr-t without debug... Jan 23 17:29:05 ~lart NODEBUG Jan 23 17:29:07 * apt sends a legion of lawyers after NODEBUG's head Jan 23 17:30:06 ~kill nopreemt Jan 23 17:30:08 * apt shoots a magneto-ionized meson gun at nopreemt Jan 23 17:30:22 I can do that DocScrutinizer Jan 23 17:30:49 I'm definitely using -testing though. Jan 23 17:31:21 testing should NOT have a nodebug-messed-up kernel afaik Jan 23 17:32:30 DocScrutinizer: I agree.. and all changes to shr-t should stay at least 14 days in shr-u for "testing".. but I'm not maintainer of shr-t.. Jan 23 17:32:43 anyway I suggest you /join #openmoko-cdevel to spoil SHR devels' weekend ;-) Jan 23 17:34:00 DocScrutinizer: out of...sheer curiosity, how does one go about identifying make/model of sd card inside linux? I can't figure out this re-branded sandisk make/model...the kingston is behaving better sadly Jan 23 17:34:27 no idea Jan 23 17:34:36 * Broam keeps looking Jan 23 17:34:41 Thanks for all your help, DocScrutinizer Jan 23 17:34:48 yw Jan 23 17:36:58 look in dmesg Jan 23 17:37:44 IIRC there is a 4 byte record indicating such - which is partially printed out when the sd driver is loaded Jan 23 17:38:09 SpeedEvil: even with usb->sd reader? Jan 23 17:38:39 no Jan 23 17:38:50 SpeedEvil: gotta dig up the Eeepc then :( Jan 23 17:41:36 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 17:41:36 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 17:42:15 hm, still the same server Jan 23 17:42:24 how about a small cup of ddos on the spamer? ;-) Jan 23 17:42:32 huh??? Jan 23 17:42:58 ugh Jan 23 17:42:58 ICMP attack? Jan 23 17:43:22 errr CTCP Jan 23 17:43:26 you can't ddos all 1500 idiots who clicked on the link Jan 23 17:43:55 but when the server gets down, the idiots won't reconnect anymore Jan 23 17:44:02 ndnihil: err? please elaborate Jan 23 17:44:15 ctcp is not an attack, it's just privmsg/notice with \x01 on the beginning and end of the message Jan 23 17:44:20 not really different from channel message Jan 23 17:44:23 gee, really? Jan 23 17:44:31 yes. Jan 23 17:44:37 stfu noob Jan 23 17:44:48 * ndnihil shakes his head and wanders off Jan 23 17:44:54 right Jan 23 17:45:49 ndnihil: if you're an irc pro, can you probably provide us with decent eggdrop configuration to deal with attack in a more sane way? Jan 23 17:46:10 I havent done eggdrops for quite some time Jan 23 17:46:16 I only use one bot these days Jan 23 17:46:20 and its one I wrote myself Jan 23 17:46:39 impressive Jan 23 17:46:47 however, all you need to do is google for delayed +v in a moderated channel Jan 23 17:46:51 it'll shut most of this crap up Jan 23 17:47:21 damn, could anybody paste me the last few join-notifications please Jan 23 17:47:59 * ndnihil started off on efnet in the 90's Jan 23 17:50:57 c'mon nobody here who could paste me a few joinmsgs back to three before CTCP spam? Jan 23 17:51:18 11:35 -!- everslick [n=clemens@91-114-184-187.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has Jan 23 17:51:18 joined #openmoko Jan 23 17:51:24 11:38 -!- UberNeo [n=UberNeo@122.181.132.66] has joined #openmoko Jan 23 17:51:29 11:41 -!- cdcedizikeki [n=vkornmbu@78.166.245.61] has joined #openmoko Jan 23 17:51:50 k, many thanks Jan 23 17:52:10 your client doesnt keep a running buffer? Jan 23 17:52:36 thought it does, but chanlog is clean like the primary tab Jan 23 17:52:58 weird, I thought all clients did that these days Jan 23 17:54:57 there's also a feature in services that prevents you from joining channels unless you're registered Jan 23 17:55:06 but freenode opers would have to implement that Jan 23 17:55:40 that's +r but we prefer +R here Jan 23 17:56:28 ndnihil, what does these messages with the IP shows Jan 23 17:56:34 paul-trigger actually works quite good, courtesy PaulFert` Jan 23 17:57:11 tssss he clicked on the URL :-S Jan 23 17:57:38 * ndnihil isn't current with freenode Jan 23 17:57:41 or why is he gone? Jan 23 17:58:07 only reason I started visiting is because I got the gta02 Jan 23 17:58:55 So if uberneo got klined I guess it will take a while until he shows up here again Jan 23 17:59:11 that wasnt a kline message Jan 23 17:59:14 just standard quit Jan 23 17:59:29 I had no message at all Jan 23 17:59:36 11:56 -!- UberNeo [n=UberNeo@122.181.132.66] has quit ["Leaving"] Jan 23 17:59:42 as you probably have guessed so far Jan 23 17:59:45 (12:41:34 PM) cdcedizikeki left the room (quit: K-lined). Jan 23 18:01:33 heh so it was cdcedizkovsky who started the spam Jan 23 18:01:36 huh? Can really javascript alone do that? Jan 23 18:01:47 yup Jan 23 18:02:48 I thought the only way to send data was XHR/AJAX Jan 23 18:03:12 it does a simple HTML-POST Jan 23 18:03:48 I will say that the link doesn't work perfectly in Midori Jan 23 18:04:05 so, it has to use a gateway, hasn't it? Jan 23 18:04:26 gateway? huh? Jan 23 18:04:30 I mean Jan 23 18:04:42 the eggdrop command is +autovoice Jan 23 18:04:46 it's more than just a gnaa shock site I take. Jan 23 18:05:21 there is no way to connect to IRC by sending a HTTP request? Jan 23 18:05:31 ndnihil: where you seen that? Jan 23 18:05:33 shot of jaq has an irc client on their page Jan 23 18:05:36 I think Jan 23 18:05:40 http://www.egghelp.org/commands/channels.htm Jan 23 18:06:02 ThibG: yes there is. This is the problem. Jan 23 18:06:14 ThibG: the server ignores the first POST line Jan 23 18:06:32 oh, I see Jan 23 18:06:39 ThibG: So a form submission can login to IRC and paste Jan 23 18:08:23 PaulFert`: jabber.org works here both ssl/tls and plain Jan 23 18:08:38 I have to go, thanks Jan 23 18:09:25 I'm out for now Jan 23 18:22:28 ndnihil: eggdrop seems cool (didn't know it) - alas we are 'short of' servers to run such a bot on them Jan 23 18:22:56 gena2x: nice, jabber.org doesn't allow to reconnect me, 500 internal server error :| Jan 23 18:23:48 PaulFert`: really had to check from other ip :) Jan 23 18:24:15 doc: they were pretty cool back in the day, one of the few I remember that are still around Jan 23 18:24:17 PaulFert`: i'm sure that in case of multiply day troubles, they'll write something Jan 23 18:25:00 PaulFert`: i can forward port for you if you want. Jan 23 18:25:24 gena2x: try reconnecting right now, you'll see Jan 23 18:25:50 PaulFert`: ok Jan 23 18:25:56 PaulFert`: pidgin Jan 23 18:26:13 PaulFert`: ssl on Jan 23 18:26:36 PaulFert`: can you telnel thier port? Jan 23 18:26:43 PaulFert`: telnel Jan 23 18:26:49 gena2x: ssl for starttls or "legacy ssl"? Jan 23 18:26:57 PaulFert`: :))) telneT Jan 23 18:28:02 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 18:28:02 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 18:28:27 PaulFert`: i'm unsure. just checkbox 'Требовать SSL/TLS' Jan 23 18:28:43 lol. for more info - go link :) Jan 23 18:29:27 4DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK Jan 23 18:29:43 just in case Jan 23 18:29:46 :-) Jan 23 18:30:30 kinda funny how that's an exact copy of the wallop with different url Jan 23 18:30:37 15:30 -tomaw(i=tom@freenode/staff/tomaw)- [Global Notice] Hi all. It seems Jan 23 18:30:37 we're again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you're Jan 23 18:30:37 experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as Jan 23 18:30:37 they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available Jan 23 18:30:41 at http://blog.freenode.net/?p=386. Thanks! Jan 23 18:30:44 ^the legitimate message Jan 23 18:30:53 DocScrutinizer: I almost did! *gg* Jan 23 18:30:58 be careful on copy Jan 23 18:31:20 i were banned yesterday for copying that link from my logs Jan 23 18:31:29 that's a different link/message Jan 23 18:31:37 that's the legitimate one sent out by freenode staff Jan 23 18:44:14 x6d5e4 Jan 23 18:44:15 foooobar Jan 23 18:44:17 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 18:44:17 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 18:46:08 CTCP VERSION? who need it? Jan 23 18:47:51 hm, isn't there channel mode blocking ctcp's sent to channel? Jan 23 18:50:20 theres a umode, but not a channel mode Jan 23 18:50:56 http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml Jan 23 18:51:05 there's a list of user and channel modes Jan 23 18:51:56 right, it's not unreal :-/ Jan 23 18:52:04 wish they'd change ircd to something better Jan 23 18:53:08 heh, getting opers to upgrade ircd/services isn't very likely Jan 23 18:53:14 we dont like upgrading Jan 23 18:53:40 I still run an ircd from 2003 on the one I oper Jan 23 18:54:06 they are changing ircd. but again not to anything good, but instead another custom one Jan 23 18:54:10 s/ircd/ircd+services/ Jan 23 18:54:10 ndnihil meant: I still run an ircd+services from 2003 on the one I oper Jan 23 18:54:14 * ndnihil stabs apt Jan 23 18:54:28 heh, didn't update for 7 years, or the program which has 7 years Jan 23 18:55:00 I used an old ircii with script from the late 90's until I upgraded to irssi a few years back Jan 23 18:55:44 and even then, I configured irssi to mimic ircii Jan 23 19:09:27 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 19:09:27 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 19:11:05 whee Jan 23 19:11:36 Do not press the link! Jan 23 19:13:58 PaulFertser: the bot's a little slow on the draw, but it looks like it helps Jan 23 19:15:28 Broam: the bot unfortunately disables it twice when once is enough. But i do not feel like getting into installing and configuring eggdrop right atm :| Jan 23 19:16:05 looks like my om problems have subsided for a while... Jan 23 20:21:47 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 20:21:47 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 20:46:30 Hi is the hardware still available? Jan 23 20:46:41 adolf: you can still buy it yes Jan 23 20:49:38 lindi-: is it still being manufactured, if not what happens with warranty if something goes wrong? Jan 23 20:49:59 adolf: i don't think any new batches will be made Jan 23 20:50:12 adolf: this is a development board, there is really no warranty anyway Jan 23 20:50:14 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 20:50:14 VERSION Hi all. It seems we are again seeing javascript based flood spam. If you are experiencing this, please do not click the links in the messages as they will cause you to repeat the spam. More information is available at http://peoplesprimary.com. Thanks! Jan 23 20:50:38 adolf: if it is completely dead on arrival you will probably get a new one Jan 23 20:51:37 lindi-: thanks, would like to get one, will look on the web Jan 23 20:51:50 adolf: what kind of background do you have? Jan 23 20:53:12 lindi-: I am a systems/ apllication developer and also do some embedded programming and as a hobby build some micro-controller stuff Jan 23 20:53:25 Cool enough :D Jan 23 20:53:45 adolf: you know about the freerunner's shortcomings, do not you? Jan 23 20:54:34 you have a chances to like it Jan 23 20:54:49 PaulFert': hardware or software? Jan 23 20:55:03 adolf: both Jan 23 20:55:06 both :) Jan 23 20:55:12 :) Jan 23 20:55:17 it have nice bunch of problems to solve Jan 23 20:56:23 Can I ssh from it to my box? Jan 23 20:56:31 yes Jan 23 20:56:39 :) Jan 23 20:56:46 via bluetooth, wifi or usb Jan 23 20:57:04 or gprs i think. Jan 23 20:57:17 yep, i've done all those foure Jan 23 20:57:21 s/foure/four/ Jan 23 20:57:22 lindi- meant: yep, i've done all those four Jan 23 20:57:28 you can get debian on box :) Jan 23 20:57:49 nice, I was/ am interested in it to use it to run some ssh command remotely, not really interested inm making calls Jan 23 20:57:56 adolf: since you can solder i suggest you get A6 (it's cheaper) and do the buzz-fix yourself. Jan 23 20:58:15 Ah, so you even do not need GSM voice calls, even better. Get an A6. Jan 23 20:58:16 price? Jan 23 20:58:26 all command-line stuff is usual linux environment Jan 23 20:59:15 PaulFert': special smd equipment required? Jan 23 20:59:19 adolf: various disris sell for different price, do you own research, list of distributors is somewhere at wiki.openmoko.org Jan 23 20:59:51 will do own research, thanks Jan 23 21:00:02 adolf: well, any ~small soldering iron is ok. Jan 23 21:00:12 adolf: the one you can desolder 0402 with. Jan 23 21:00:37 PaulFert': got that ;) Jan 23 21:01:41 adolf: btw, it has an accessible SPI and UART on pcb testpoints. Jan 23 21:02:21 And an externally accessible powered USB host. Jan 23 21:03:32 PaulFert': I remeber they also had an extra development board to flash it, is that really necessary ? Jan 23 21:03:36 adolf: no Jan 23 21:03:54 adolf: freerunner has NOR memory which is write-protected, you can always boot from it. Jan 23 21:04:06 adolf: debug board is only necessary for serial console and JTAG. Jan 23 21:04:28 adolf: you can also get serial console by soldering directly to UART testpoints, same with JTAG. Jan 23 21:05:08 so I can access it through UART if necessary from desktop? Jan 23 21:05:26 And in case you want to reflash NOR it's enough to ensure you have a working bootloader on NAND and then short one TP to the ground to turn off write-protection, boot and flash from the userspace. Jan 23 21:06:11 Cool Jan 23 21:06:16 = devboard it is only useful if you plan do complicated kernel development Jan 23 21:06:42 What do you see as complicated kernel dev? Jan 23 21:07:17 sorry, got to go baybe crying, back soon Jan 23 21:07:54 adolf: if you need JTAG to debug bootloader/kernel problems, then you probably need a debug board. Jan 23 21:08:12 gena2x: or debug Jan 23 21:08:45 Well, serial console is nice to have as well. But if he doesn't plan to use it as a portable device, he can just solder to uart TPs directly. Jan 23 21:09:59 lindi-: you mean kernel debug? or it can help with user-space applications? Jan 23 21:10:30 gena2x: kernel or boot loader debugging mostly yes Jan 23 21:10:38 gena2x: but surely it can be used with userspace too Jan 23 21:15:23 Well to be more exact, I sometimes get calls from the office while on lunch etc and mostly all that needs to be done is to ssh into the server at the office and run a cli scripto or something that simple and a netbook is just to bulky to put in my pocket Jan 23 21:15:56 Can I use the openmoko via gprs for this purpose? Jan 23 21:16:28 What is the keyboard interface like from your personal experience? Jan 23 21:17:05 ssh can be done - though not on a call. Jan 23 21:17:16 a bt keyb can be used - there are quite small ones. Jan 23 21:17:24