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Jan 28 05:17:56 * ndnihil kicks paul-trigger in the bits
Jan 28 05:18:06 <ndnihil> get it together bot
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Jan 28 05:19:25 <ndnihil> ffs
Jan 28 05:20:47 <ndnihil> kill -9 `pidof paul-trigger`
Jan 28 05:20:56 <ndnihil> that bot is uselss
Jan 28 05:21:10 <ndnihil> and just as annoying as the floods it seems
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Jan 28 05:38:44 <SeligArkin> am thge only one that finds it amusing they are using CTCP VERSION now for some reason?
Jan 28 05:39:57 <SeligArkin> Oh well, sleepy time now.
Jan 28 05:40:58 <ndnihil> I find it annoying that they're flooding period
Jan 28 05:41:01 <ndnihil> dont care how it comes
Jan 28 05:41:27 <SeligArkin> I mwnt when surpressing the annoyance. :P
Jan 28 05:41:31 <ndnihil> then paul-trigger dumps another page and a half of +R/-R well after the flood is done
Jan 28 05:41:52 <ndnihil> all they need to do is +m the channel and add a delayed +v for onjoin
Jan 28 05:42:10 <ndnihil> I even did up a bot config for them that did as such
Jan 28 05:42:24 <SeligArkin> Could the CTCP VERSION bypass +m though?
Jan 28 05:42:39 <ndnihil> not to the channel
Jan 28 05:42:50 <ndnihil> it could if it were directed at individual users
Jan 28 05:43:03 <SeligArkin> Huh
Jan 28 05:43:29 <SeligArkin> Anyway this.sleep()
Jan 28 05:43:35 <ndnihil> these spambots are doing (essentially)  /ctcp #openmoko version
Jan 28 05:43:47 <ndnihil> which would (on most ircds) be stopped by +m
Jan 28 05:44:18 <ndnihil> if they joined and then did a  /ctcp <user> version  for everyone in the channel
Jan 28 05:44:24 <ndnihil> +m wouldnt do shit about it
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Jan 28 05:56:13 <Quadduc> PaulFertser: Fix your bot please!
Jan 28 05:56:26 <ndnihil> ^what he said
Jan 28 05:56:58 <ndnihil> it's just as annoying as the spam
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Jan 28 05:59:45 <FxChiP> god damn it :/
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Jan 28 06:01:09 <FxChiP> fucking
Jan 28 06:01:17 <FxChiP> is there a reason they flood *this channel*?
Jan 28 06:01:19 <FxChiP> come on now
Jan 28 06:01:39 <ndnihil> high user count
Jan 28 06:01:41 <ndnihil> is my guess
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Jan 28 06:03:28 <ndnihil> and here we go with another two pages of +R/-R
Jan 28 06:03:32 * ndnihil shakes his head
Jan 28 06:04:11 <FxChiP> wtg stupidbot
Jan 28 06:04:11 <Quadduc> ping lindi- TAsn
Jan 28 06:04:28 <ndnihil> I've already pm'd lindi- TAsn and PaulFertser 
Jan 28 06:04:32 <ndnihil> nobody is awake
Jan 28 06:04:48 <ndnihil> I even gave paul a bot config that would fix this shit
Jan 28 06:04:58 <ndnihil> but it's apparently not being used yet
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Jan 28 06:05:25 <FxChiP> fuck
Jan 28 06:05:34 <FxChiP> why not just require registered nicks to join the channel
Jan 28 06:05:38 <FxChiP> every other project does it
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Jan 28 06:05:52 <ndnihil> puts off noobs or something
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Jan 28 06:06:14 <ndnihil> heck, it would have annoyed me when I first started coming here
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Jan 28 06:06:22 <Kamping_Kaiser> owned .edu domain :/
Jan 28 06:06:32 <Kamping_Kaiser> s/domain/host
Jan 28 06:06:47 <ndnihil> thats a machine in the dorms
Jan 28 06:06:49 <FxChiP> that's nice :/
Jan 28 06:06:53 <Kamping_Kaiser> hm... when did i wind up with +v
Jan 28 06:07:13 * Kamping_Kaiser assumes its one of those 'everyones +v' motions
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Jan 28 06:07:18 <ndnihil> a student clicked on the same spam it's sending
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Jan 28 06:07:33 <FxChiP> fuck
Jan 28 06:07:38 <Kamping_Kaiser> ndnihil: ah, right.
Jan 28 06:07:42 <Kamping_Kaiser> should have thought of that
Jan 28 06:07:44 <FxChiP> I have to write a script or something
Jan 28 06:08:08 <ndnihil> yeah, thinking about writing a module for irssi that ignores someone when they first join
Jan 28 06:08:09 <FxChiP> on ctcp { if [ $type == "VERSION" ] complete; }
Jan 28 06:08:24 <ndnihil> and unignores them after 10-15 seconds
Jan 28 06:08:52 <ezekiel> PaulFertser: could you please kill paul-trigger 
Jan 28 06:08:59 <ndnihil> he's not awake
Jan 28 06:09:03 <ezekiel> PaulFertser: it's just really... not working.
Jan 28 06:09:03 <FxChiP> ffffffffff
Jan 28 06:09:21 <FxChiP> why the -R'ing as well as the +R'ing
Jan 28 06:09:31 <FxChiP> is the output buffer just that much crowded with shit
Jan 28 06:09:39 <ezekiel> it's supposed to react to periods of bot-like activity
Jan 28 06:10:04 <ezekiel> then clear up the +R when it's over. Obviously not working.
Jan 28 06:10:24 <FxChiP> it's almost as if it's stuck in a while loop
Jan 28 06:10:38 <FxChiP> or like being stuck in a while loop would produce similar results
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Jan 28 06:10:42 <ezekiel> lindi-: TAsn could either of you kick paul-trigger ?
Jan 28 06:10:58 <Kamping_Kaiser> farking
Jan 28 06:11:02 <FxChiP> help me Obi Wan ChanServ, you're my only hope
Jan 28 06:11:37 <ndnihil> ezekiel: they arent awake
Jan 28 06:11:40 <ndnihil> or around
Jan 28 06:11:54 <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder if i can be bothered /j freenode
Jan 28 06:11:55 <FxChiP> can/should we get an oper?
Jan 28 06:12:12 <ndnihil> if you're friendly with one by all means ask them for help
Jan 28 06:12:26 <ndnihil> but typically they dont get involved in channel specific issues
Jan 28 06:12:40 <ezekiel> #puppet is getting hit a lot harder than #openmoko - but paul-trigger is adding needless noise to the mix.
Jan 28 06:12:43 <Kamping_Kaiser> ndnihil: they are willing to if there are no ops around
Jan 28 06:12:46 <FxChiP> ah, hmm. I'm not really 'in' with them, so.
Jan 28 06:12:52 <ndnihil> ask away then
Jan 28 06:13:36 <ndnihil> /stats o isn't showing any for me
Jan 28 06:13:49 <ndnihil> they probably have it blocked
Jan 28 06:14:00 <ndnihil> ugh
Jan 28 06:14:03 <ndnihil> here we go again
Jan 28 06:15:49 <Kamping_Kaiser> werdan7: paul-trigger , obviously enough :(
Jan 28 06:16:07 <ndnihil> tasn!
Jan 28 06:16:17 <Kamping_Kaiser> it lives!
Jan 28 06:16:36 <TAsn> now one thing left, kicking ndnihil, <Quadduc and ezekiel for waking me up :P
Jan 28 06:17:02 <TAsn> j/k, ciao (work)
Jan 28 06:17:35 <ndnihil> op me!
Jan 28 06:17:40 <ndnihil> I will sort this shit out
Jan 28 06:17:40 <Dominian> Just have to make it two more days folks.
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Jan 28 06:17:44 <ndnihil> ugh
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Jan 28 06:17:56 <Kamping_Kaiser> :@
Jan 28 06:18:07 <nalioth> any ops around?
Jan 28 06:18:10 <Dominian> there was one
Jan 28 06:18:13 <Dominian> he went back to work :)
Jan 28 06:18:44 <Kamping_Kaiser> ndnihil: 'arvo
Jan 28 06:18:52 <ndnihil> arvo?
Jan 28 06:19:44 <Kamping_Kaiser> ndnihil: roughly translates to 'greetings good sir, i trust your afternoon is satesfactory'
Jan 28 06:19:54 <Kamping_Kaiser> accepting that its not arvo where he is though *g*
Jan 28 06:20:10 <ndnihil> ah, no that's a new one to me :)
Jan 28 06:20:18 <ndnihil> welsh?
Jan 28 06:20:25 <ezekiel> aussie?
Jan 28 06:20:29 <Kamping_Kaiser> ezekiel: yup
Jan 28 06:20:39 <ezekiel> Sat'dy 'arvo
Jan 28 06:20:58 <Kamping_Kaiser> Thursday actually :)
Jan 28 06:21:01 <ndnihil> heck I've even got friends and family in .au and never heard that one
Jan 28 06:21:09 <ezekiel> I'm just looking forward :)
Jan 28 06:21:19 <ndnihil> what part of .au are you in?
Jan 28 06:22:01 <Kamping_Kaiser> ndnihil: the state of South Australia
Jan 28 06:22:13 <ndnihil> maybe its a regional thing
Jan 28 06:22:19 <ndnihil> most of my contact there is NQ
Jan 28 06:22:52 <ndnihil> in any case, `arvo back at ya 
Jan 28 06:22:55 <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
Jan 28 06:23:28 <nalioth> if you guys get msg'd by one of these infected machines, please let us know
Jan 28 06:23:46 <Kamping_Kaiser> wilco.
Jan 28 06:23:46 <ndnihil> we're just getting the CTCP to channel lately
Jan 28 06:23:54 <TAsn> about bdipllwirvxc and rua
Jan 28 06:24:01 <TAsn> you should contact network opers
Jan 28 06:24:02 <nalioth> they've msg'd others in other channels
Jan 28 06:24:08 <TAsn> they deserve a k-line not a kick
Jan 28 06:24:16 <ndnihil> we got msgs a couple days ago
Jan 28 06:24:17 <TAsn> nvm
Jan 28 06:24:22 <TAsn> they already got a k-line
Jan 28 06:24:23 <TAsn> :)
Jan 28 06:24:25 <ndnihil> but the ones hitting here seem to have moved on to ctcp
Jan 28 06:24:30 <nalioth> anyone know bipolar?
Jan 28 06:24:45 <TAsn> anyhow, now for real, ciao.
Jan 28 06:24:50 <FxChiP> NO
Jan 28 06:24:51 <FxChiP> TASN
Jan 28 06:24:53 <ndnihil> tasn: op someone before you leave
Jan 28 06:24:54 <FxChiP> oh wait
Jan 28 06:24:56 <FxChiP> YEAH
Jan 28 06:25:50 <TAsn> ciao.
Jan 28 06:25:55 <ezekiel> saints be praised
Jan 28 06:25:55 <ndnihil> nalioth: my guess about bipolar is it's just someone whose client responds poorly to the floods
Jan 28 06:25:56 <Kamping_Kaiser> 'later
Jan 28 06:26:00 <ndnihil> it's not a random string
Jan 28 06:26:02 <ndnihil> thanks tasn
Jan 28 06:26:05 <TAsn> np
Jan 28 06:26:14 <Kamping_Kaiser> ndnihil: for king!
Jan 28 06:26:41 <FxChiP> ndnihil rules!
Jan 28 06:26:44 <FxChiP> all hail ndnihil!
Jan 28 06:26:48 <ndnihil> hah
Jan 28 06:26:52 <nalioth> ndnihil: in another channel there was a "non random string" entity join/part flooding (inhmananly fast)
Jan 28 06:27:18 <nalioth> ndnihil: anyway, glad you're here.  i set +R
Jan 28 06:27:19 <ndnihil> ah, didn't know that, but have seen them before
Jan 28 06:27:30 <ndnihil> :)
Jan 28 06:28:27 <FxChiP> ahh... silence
Jan 28 06:28:50 <Kamping_Kaiser> wonder what cht exchange is
Jan 28 06:28:50 * ndnihil shakes his had
Jan 28 06:28:55 <ndnihil> s/had/head/
Jan 28 06:30:07 <ndnihil> hrm
Jan 28 06:30:59 <ndnihil> back in a few
Jan 28 06:31:01 <FxChiP> ndnihil
Jan 28 06:31:02 <FxChiP> NOOOOOOOO
Jan 28 06:31:09 <Kamping_Kaiser> :s
Jan 28 06:31:11 <ndnihil> just a few minutes
Jan 28 06:31:18 <FxChiP> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Jan 28 06:31:26 * Kamping_Kaiser braces for impact
Jan 28 06:31:35 <FxChiP> D:
Jan 28 06:31:35 <ndnihil> it's +R
Jan 28 06:31:48 <FxChiP> that doesn't mean they're not assholes!
Jan 28 06:31:49 <ndnihil> all you'll get are join/part messages
Jan 28 06:32:00 <FxChiP> isn't there a mode to prevent them joining entirely?
Jan 28 06:32:06 <ezekiel> +r
Jan 28 06:32:07 <ndnihil> yeah, +i
Jan 28 06:32:18 <FxChiP> +r means registered channel, I thought
Jan 28 06:32:25 <FxChiP> +i is invite-only which is probably bad :D
Jan 28 06:32:33 <ndnihil> I think +r is only people with registered nicks can join
Jan 28 06:32:42 <ezekiel> most of the crew here considered +r bad
Jan 28 06:32:45 <nalioth> ndnihil: correct
Jan 28 06:32:53 <ndnihil> yeah, they weren't too fond of the +r idea
Jan 28 06:32:54 <ezekiel> but it would "fix" our issue
Jan 28 06:33:17 <ezekiel> with +R noobs can join, they just can't speak
Jan 28 06:33:39 <nalioth> you can set +r so it forwards unidentified users to ##register-with-nickserv
Jan 28 06:34:21 <ndnihil> nalioth: I would, but most of the higher-ups around here are pretty sour on that idea
Jan 28 06:34:56 <FxChiP> D:
Jan 28 06:34:56 <nalioth> you have the same setting now, but can be greatly inconvenienced by the join/parting
Jan 28 06:35:45 <ndnihil> they weren't fond of +R either, just the temporary +R that paul-trigger was poorly implementing
Jan 28 06:36:21 <nalioth> +r is just as tempoarary, and serves a side purpose of getting legit users to register
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Jan 28 06:36:45 <FxChiP> fffffffffffffffffffff
Jan 28 06:46:53 <ndnihil> ah, nice and quiet
Jan 28 06:50:24 <ndnihil> doh, just realized my FR hasn't been charged in two weeks
Jan 28 06:50:27 <ndnihil> still boots
Jan 28 06:55:40 <PaulFer``> Hm, indeed.
Jan 28 06:55:47 <ndnihil> mornin paul
Jan 28 06:55:57 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: it used to work because freenode klined the spammer automatically fast enough before
Jan 28 06:56:12 <PaulFer``> And yes, now the 'bot' became more of a problem than the spam itself probably
Jan 28 06:56:13 <ndnihil> it was pretty obnoxious earlier
Jan 28 06:56:17 <PaulFer``> I saw the log
Jan 28 06:56:18 <PaulFer``> Sorry
Jan 28 06:57:05 <Kamping_Kaiser> wb PaulFer`` 
Jan 28 06:57:11 <ndnihil> it's +r at the moment, but I know you guys werent too fond of that idea
Jan 28 06:57:24 <ndnihil> so I can bring in a bot with the delayed +v if you like
Jan 28 06:58:14 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: it would be nice. I didn't get enough time to fully finish my eggdrop configuration :|
Jan 28 06:58:24 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: or probably there's no need to bother.
Jan 28 06:59:02 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: we can keep the channel +R during EU nights and just monitor it during days, there's only several days left before guys migrate to the new server software anyway.
Jan 28 07:00:22 <ndnihil> only took a few seconds
Jan 28 07:00:28 <ndnihil> I still had that config from when I sent it to you
Jan 28 07:00:29 <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf
Jan 28 07:00:41 <ndnihil> there's a lot of people to voice
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Jan 28 07:00:50 <Kamping_Kaiser> why are they getting voiced?
Jan 28 07:00:56 <ndnihil> for the +m with delayed +v to work
Jan 28 07:00:57 <Kamping_Kaiser> woo, working bot
Jan 28 07:01:02 <Kamping_Kaiser> ah right
Jan 28 07:01:26 <ndnihil> it's set at a 10 second delay
Jan 28 07:01:45 <ndnihil> should be long enough to catch the flooding, but short enough to keep from being too annoying
Jan 28 07:02:25 <ndnihil> we'll still get the join/parts though
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Jan 28 07:02:59 <ndnihil> I guess we'll find out
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Jan 28 07:03:01 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: (that config) well, that was basically just few lines for #openmoko.
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Jan 28 07:03:46 <ndnihil> yeah, it didn't need to be overly complex
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Jan 28 07:04:08 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: 10 sec is too short apparently.
Jan 28 07:05:37 <ndnihil> hang on a sec
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Jan 28 07:07:07 <ndnihil> 20 seconds not enough either
Jan 28 07:07:37 <ndnihil> it's kicking them fairly quickly though
Jan 28 07:08:06 <Quadduc> Could it kick on the first CTCP?
Jan 28 07:08:24 <ndnihil> oh
Jan 28 07:08:25 <ndnihil> duh
Jan 28 07:08:32 <ndnihil> couldnt figure out why I wasnt seeing them
Jan 28 07:08:35 <ndnihil> I have all ctcp ignored
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Jan 28 07:08:47 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: it's ctcp now but the spammers were using normal msgs as well.
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Jan 28 07:09:05 <alabd> Hello , any GUI app for BT pairing on shr-t  ?
Jan 28 07:12:10 <ndnihil> let see how 30s does
Jan 28 07:12:14 <ndnihil> s/let/lets/
Jan 28 07:12:15 <apt> ndnihil meant: lets see how 30s does
Jan 28 07:12:20 * ndnihil stabs apt
Jan 28 07:14:01 <ndnihil> hrm, that seems to work
Jan 28 07:15:44 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: yep, just joins/parts but those are inevitable.
Jan 28 07:16:21 <ndnihil> much better than 2 pages of ctcp followed by 2 more pages of mode changes :)
Jan 28 07:17:06 <PaulFer``> indeed
Jan 28 07:17:12 <PaulFer``> Big thanks
Jan 28 07:17:15 <ndnihil> np
Jan 28 07:19:32 <FxChiP> seriously? the bot does that?
Jan 28 07:19:37 <ndnihil> does what?
Jan 28 07:19:38 <FxChiP> s/seriously/Seriously/
Jan 28 07:19:40 <apt> FxChiP meant: Seriously? the bot does that?
Jan 28 07:19:48 <FxChiP> s/the/The/
Jan 28 07:19:49 <apt> FxChiP meant: seriously? The bot does that?
Jan 28 07:19:55 <FxChiP> That wins
Jan 28 07:20:07 <FxChiP> s/seriously/Seriously/ s/the/The/
Jan 28 07:20:11 <ndnihil> it just does a delayed voice when the channel is +m
Jan 28 07:20:20 <FxChiP> ahh
Jan 28 07:20:25 <ndnihil> +m shuts them up for 30 seconds
Jan 28 07:25:45 <ndnihil> hrm
Jan 28 07:25:52 <ndnihil> gabrys should have been voiced by now
Jan 28 07:27:28 <ndnihil> odd
Jan 28 07:28:29 <ndnihil> doesnt seem to want to autovoice after a config rehash
Jan 28 07:29:53 <ezekiel> over 30 seconds - pizza is free!
Jan 28 07:34:01 <ndnihil> weird
Jan 28 07:38:45 <PaulFer``> Now it works, seems nice
Jan 28 08:03:52 <alabd> when humble make pairing ON a message pops up on onother bt device to enter passkey but after entering pass and OK on fr , emooth gives error
Jan 28 08:05:31 <ndnihil> there
Jan 28 08:14:21 <PaulFer``> Now we'll just wait for Doc to wake up and set ENTRYMSG to explain users they just need to wait.
Jan 28 08:15:28 <ndnihil> you can set it :)
Jan 28 08:21:48 <octavsly> PaulFer``: Unfortunately I recognize many of this in my company :-( ... thus thinking of leaving for some time.
Jan 28 08:22:27 <octavsly> PaulFer``:sorry wrong channel. I was talking about  ***stefan_schmidt reads http://lwn.net/Articles/369880/ and is amused
Jan 28 08:28:17 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: i tried but failed
Jan 28 08:30:03 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: because for that i need special chanserv permissions
Jan 28 08:30:14 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: i was talking about ENTRYMSG for the chan.
Jan 28 08:30:28 <ndnihil> ah, that one
Jan 28 08:31:25 * ndnihil never reads that anyway :)
Jan 28 08:33:36 <alabd> where does packages go after opkg install  ?
Jan 28 08:34:04 <alabd> and where is /etc/apt/sources.list for shr ?
Jan 28 08:34:13 <ndnihil> shr doesnt use apt
Jan 28 08:34:17 <ndnihil> or dpkg
Jan 28 08:34:47 <ndnihil> sources are defined in /etc/opkg
Jan 28 08:35:30 <ndnihil> I dont think packages are retained by default
Jan 28 08:35:53 <alabd> ndnihil:  thanks you mean the file is all-feed.conf
Jan 28 08:35:54 <alabd>  //
Jan 28 08:35:58 <slaxxer> opkg upgrade work on shr testing/
Jan 28 08:36:00 <slaxxer> ?
Jan 28 08:36:16 <ndnihil> /etc/opkg/<name>.conf
Jan 28 08:36:30 <ndnihil> where name is whatever you want to name any additional sources
Jan 28 08:36:40 <ndnihil> if you dont want to merge them into all-feeds
Jan 28 08:37:49 <alabd> thanks
Jan 28 08:42:43 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: should we invite the same bot to #openmoko-cdevel? There were attacks on it too.
Jan 28 08:42:52 <ndnihil> if you like
Jan 28 08:44:00 <PaulFer``> I do
Jan 28 08:44:46 <ndnihil> oops
Jan 28 08:46:33 <ndnihil> can you re-op it?
Jan 28 08:46:43 <ndnihil> had a typo in the config and it died
Jan 28 08:48:25 <PaulFer``> Sure
Jan 28 08:48:46 <ndnihil> should work on both channels now
Jan 28 08:49:14 <Serdar> hi there
Jan 28 08:49:48 <Serdar> is there any interest for representing some projects t fosdem?
Jan 28 08:57:31 <ndnihil> what kind of projects?
Jan 28 09:05:46 <Serdar> any kind openmoko releated.
Jan 28 09:06:03 <Serdar> SHR, hackable:1, qtmoko...
Jan 28 09:06:26 <Serdar> there is a free devroom for fosdem sunday at 9-12
Jan 28 09:06:48 <ndnihil> ah
Jan 28 09:06:52 <Heinervdm> fosdem rejected our request for a devroom
Jan 28 09:06:58 <Serdar> the android-on-freerunner project will (hopefully) present their status etc. so there is a lot of time
Jan 28 09:07:21 <Serdar> our?
Jan 28 09:07:23 <Serdar> shr?
Jan 28 09:07:30 <Serdar> h:1?
Jan 28 09:08:13 <Heinervdm> general request for openmoko
Jan 28 09:08:22 <Heinervdm> was discussed on the community ML
Jan 28 09:09:20 <Serdar> huh. I discussed yesterday/this morning with someone and he told me, that there is a room for 3 hours and I I should ask for some openmoko releated stuff.
Jan 28 09:09:24 <Heinervdm> 2009-12-02: FOSDEM 2010: Devroom for openmoko declined
Jan 28 09:10:27 <Heinervdm> Then you should ask on the community ML
Jan 28 09:10:53 <ndnihil> 8 days isn't a lot of time to prepare a presentation
Jan 28 09:11:02 <Serdar> I am directly asking Pascal Breser, he is a coordinator of fosdem
Jan 28 09:11:42 <ndnihil> and arrange travel, etc..
Jan 28 09:11:52 <Serdar> didn't you prepare a presentation at 2009-12-02?
Jan 28 09:12:07 <Heinervdm> There are some people going to fosdem
Jan 28 09:12:55 <Heinervdm> mickey|tv: ^
Jan 28 09:14:08 <Heinervdm> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FOSDEM_2010
Jan 28 11:05:08 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: your bot is acting great. /me wished he knew a week ago setting up eggdrop is that easy...
Jan 28 11:38:00 * DocScrutinizer coughs WTFrrrrrrgh
Jan 28 11:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> had a funny morning, kids?
Jan 28 11:38:48 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: oh yeah
Jan 28 11:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> CTCP spammers not klined anymore? or what?
Jan 28 11:41:24 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: yes, they're not
Jan 28 11:41:55 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: and now ndnihil configured his bot to do delayed voicing here.
Jan 28 11:42:05 <DocScrutinizer> seen this
Jan 28 11:48:21 <hipitihop> is there an updated nodebug kernel as yet ? last one there was some discussion about gsm and wifi due to to timing issues
Jan 28 11:59:11 <zeroedout> radek released one for qtmoko that should work fine on shr. uimage-v17.bin or something like that
Jan 28 12:00:16 <zeroedout> lol, i see you know that from your question in #qtmoko I have no gsm or wifi issues I think that was ppl forgetting to install modules (or dumping them in the wrong place)
Jan 28 12:00:41 <zeroedout> fyi, this is on qtmoko
Jan 28 12:15:48 <hipitihop> anyone tried or is running the eclair build of android ?
Jan 28 12:16:10 <Serdar> yes
Jan 28 12:17:31 <Serdar> hipitihop, the Android-on-freerunner Project is set for this.
Jan 28 12:18:28 <hipitihop> Serdar, thanks nobody seems about in that channel
Jan 28 12:18:37 <Serdar> huh?
Jan 28 12:18:43 <Serdar> in which channel?
Jan 28 12:18:58 <Serdar> I wrote there one minute ago.
Jan 28 12:22:28 <Serdar> do you guys interested in presentation at fosdem?
Jan 28 12:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: why did you kick paul-trigger? wouldn't it have been sufficient to unvoice or deop it?
Jan 28 12:28:48 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: who cares
Jan 28 12:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> me
Jan 28 12:29:33 <DocScrutinizer> tasn had no method to make paul-trigger rejoin, after he kicked it
Jan 28 12:29:56 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: paul-trigger spammed hard and i was going to return in the morning anyway...
Jan 28 12:29:58 <DocScrutinizer> that's not so welthought behaviour
Jan 28 12:33:27 <DocScrutinizer> well just asking, no bashing :-)
Jan 28 12:36:14 <DocScrutinizer> anybody knows eir details?
Jan 28 12:53:51 <DocScrutinizer> ...as in >>the freenode utility bot “eir.<<
Jan 28 12:54:36 <Serdar> how's with presentation on fosdem?
Jan 28 12:54:59 <Serdar> is there any interest and someone who want's to present?
Jan 28 12:55:06 <DocScrutinizer> >>eir is a freenode utility bot platform. Originally written to manage voicing in #defocus, subsequent utility components, such as the replacement for dircbot, have since been added.<<
Jan 28 12:56:36 <DocScrutinizer> I'd love the idea of a server-based bot to manage the chan, rather than a remote dropegg (thanks nevertheless, ndnihil :-] )
Jan 28 13:01:52 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: PaulFer``: why openbrokeo has lifted all bans?
Jan 28 13:15:44 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: it's the way it works. There's a total limit for bans, so it lifts unused bans.
Jan 28 13:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Jan 28 13:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFer``: any rationale against going from +V to +R?
Jan 28 13:20:07 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: with +R everybody needs to be registered which i consider annoying.
Jan 28 13:20:52 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: with +m and autovoicing it's a matter of 30 seconds to start chatting for everybody.
Jan 28 13:23:14 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFer``: with +R registered users don't have to wait for openbrokeo to voice them while unregistered users are voiced same way like when channel is +m
Jan 28 13:24:26 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: reasonable if it works exactly this way. I just do not know these details.
Jan 28 13:24:58 <DocScrutinizer> I've checked this for CIA-47, seems to work
Jan 28 13:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> fsck!!
Jan 28 13:26:10 <PaulFer``> deop it temporarily
Jan 28 13:27:00 <PaulFer``> You've to admit it's fast :)
Jan 28 13:27:17 <PaulFer``> In fact banning flooders after the 3rd message.
Jan 28 13:27:19 <DocScrutinizer> harrharr
Jan 28 13:27:23 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: ping ^^^
Jan 28 13:28:29 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: i can now configure an eggdrop of my own this evening, i've already learned how to do that. But i bet ndnihil's host is more reliable than the bipserver :|
Jan 28 13:28:45 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Jan 28 13:41:33 <PaulFer``> Kick him and do while he's not watching :) I think he'll try to reconnect but i'm not sure.
Jan 28 13:42:53 <DocScrutinizer> it can always check chanmodes any arbitrary time and act accordingly
Jan 28 13:44:31 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I can tell chanserv to make -m sticky :-P
Jan 28 13:44:58 <DocScrutinizer> guess what'll result from that
Jan 28 13:45:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen ndnihil 
Jan 28 13:45:36 <apt> ndnihil is currently on #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel, last said: 'and arrange travel, etc..'.
Jan 28 13:47:37 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: no, ndnihil said it doesn't enforce modes upon entry.
Jan 28 13:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> so how make it enter once I kick it? Exactly same issue I objected to Tasn
Jan 28 13:49:13 <DocScrutinizer> s/enter/join
Jan 28 13:50:49 <PaulFer``> No idea, a good bot should rejoin automatically :)
Jan 28 13:51:01 <PaulFer``> Do not bother, it's nice already.
Jan 28 13:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> yeah but I dunno if it's a good bot
Jan 28 13:52:03 <DocScrutinizer> it's not nice, as now user has *no* way to recover from a borked bot
Jan 28 13:54:54 <DocScrutinizer> and obviously supervision/admin of openbrokeo isn't lightning fast. So expect extended periods of serious functionality impacts whenever openbrokeo goes offline or any other way borks
Jan 28 13:56:08 <DocScrutinizer> I actually don't like bots that by concept of operation deprive chan owners of parts of their power
Jan 28 13:58:18 <DocScrutinizer> well...
Jan 28 13:59:09 <PaulFer``> He's fast
Jan 28 13:59:17 <DocScrutinizer> hahaaahaahahahaaaa
Jan 28 13:59:20 <PaulFer``> Ban him, change mode, unban
Jan 28 13:59:46 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I just do 1) of that list :-S
Jan 28 14:00:24 <alabd> PaulFertser:  how to use that script that way it does  have problem ..
Jan 28 14:00:28 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer: if you want i'll invite my eggdrop later in the evening and give you full access.
Jan 28 14:00:39 <PaulFer``> alabd: what problem is exactly like?
Jan 28 14:00:50 <PaulFer``> Too slow :)
Jan 28 14:01:11 <alabd> zip: stdin: not in gzip format
Jan 28 14:01:12 <alabd> tar: Child returned status 1
Jan 28 14:01:12 <alabd> tar: ./control.tar.gz: Not found in archive
Jan 28 14:01:12 <alabd> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
Jan 28 14:01:47 <alabd> are you sure it should be used like dpkg-scanpackages ?
Jan 28 14:02:53 <alabd> are u sure Paul ?
Jan 28 14:02:59 <alabd> see here http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Setting_Up_A_Feed#Generate_the_Packages_file_with_ipkg-make-index.sh
Jan 28 14:03:12 <PaulFer``> alabd: no, i'm not., probably you start it in a wrong directory.
Jan 28 14:03:23 <PaulFer``> Where you have no packages or some extra files.
Jan 28 14:04:43 <alabd> the above link says different way PaulFer
Jan 28 14:05:09 <PaulFer``> Then i'm wrong, follow the link...
Jan 28 14:05:38 <alabd> it says this #ipkg-make-index.sh ~feed/ > ~feed/Packages
Jan 28 14:06:14 <DocScrutinizer> . ~feed??
Jan 28 14:06:26 <DocScrutinizer> user feed?? o.O
Jan 28 14:06:35 <alabd> http://www.oesf.org/index.php?title=Setting_Up_A_Feed#Generate_the_Packages_file_with_ipkg-make-index.sh
Jan 28 14:06:42 <PaulFer``> alabd: i told you the same
Jan 28 14:07:19 <alabd> PaulFer you see there is no packages.gz file 
Jan 28 14:07:24 <alabd> it is packages
Jan 28 14:07:41 <alabd> and it didn't use gzip
Jan 28 14:08:06 <PaulFer``> alabd: it uses gzip after that i guess. Packages should be gzipped.
Jan 28 14:09:07 <alabd> PaulFer The script will output a "Packages" file to stdout which can then be piped into the Packages file of the feed directory. 
Jan 28 14:13:19 * DocScrutinizer grumbles and wanders off to prepare another coffee, and swallow another few pills
Jan 28 14:38:47 * DocScrutinizer sighs
Jan 28 14:46:47 <init[1]> can any one please share data sheet of Samsung SC32442B ,http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_Hardware#Main_components we have dead link here ,moreover samasung wants me to register with a company email id,if at all i have to download the datasheet from http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=229&partnum=SC32442 ,as i'm a student i don't have one.
Jan 28 14:47:49 <SpeedEvil> make one up
Jan 28 14:48:02 <SpeedEvil> init enterprises of berlin.
Jan 28 14:48:30 <PaulFer``> It's easier to download from someone. But sorry, i do not have it :|
Jan 28 14:49:45 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: PaulFer`` doesn't they do a email validation? is samsung that dump :P
Jan 28 14:49:59 <SpeedEvil> yes - they may do.
Jan 28 14:50:07 <SpeedEvil> Supply a working email address
Jan 28 14:50:26 <init[1]> When registering, you must use official company email account. Users with personal
Jan 28 14:50:29 <init[1]> email account will NOT be provided with an access.
Jan 28 14:50:38 <init[1]> from the site^
Jan 28 14:50:53 <SpeedEvil> however - I'm not sure how much they check - companies vary from simply an unverified email address works fine and you autodownload the datasheet - to you have to take the repreasentative out to a nice dinner
Jan 28 14:51:13 <SpeedEvil> init[1]: yeah - however - registering a buisness like site is pretty trivial.
Jan 28 14:51:15 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: hm
Jan 28 14:51:27 <SpeedEvil> register initone.com - which you can use for personal email.
Jan 28 14:51:50 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: yea got cha.
Jan 28 14:51:51 <SpeedEvil> Sketch out a quick template site - bang it on the top with contact details - and a picture of a puppy.
Jan 28 14:52:00 <init[1]> :D
Jan 28 14:52:03 <SpeedEvil> And a domain name can be handy for all sorts of things
Jan 28 14:55:30 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: what is your opinion about  http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/shop/gizmos/computing/flow/flow-g1-5.html 
Jan 28 14:56:51 <init[1]> Gizmo Flow it seem good but really really really costly full blown config would cost 800+ Euro
Jan 28 14:57:20 <SpeedEvil> init[1]: not intrinsically insane - but - why not the n900 forex?
Jan 28 14:57:48 * init[1] gling n900 forex
Jan 28 14:58:11 <SpeedEvil> nokia.com
Jan 28 14:58:13 <SpeedEvil> n900
Jan 28 14:58:28 <init[1]> oops my bad .. 
Jan 28 15:07:21 <SpeedEvil> n900 is of course much less documented on the hardware siefe - so that might be a negative
Jan 28 15:08:11 <SpeedEvil> side
Jan 28 15:08:51 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: exactly i was wondering why you suggested n900,coz i put flow into wishlist for entirely "open" reason.
Jan 28 15:09:46 <SpeedEvil> ah.
Jan 28 15:09:55 <SpeedEvil> n900 is - in some aspects quite open.
Jan 28 15:10:11 <SpeedEvil> It's a hell of a lot more open than most phones.
Jan 28 15:10:31 <SpeedEvil> There are closed elements.
Jan 28 15:10:45 <SpeedEvil> There is little closed stuff - before the X server comes up.
Jan 28 15:10:58 <SpeedEvil> There is however little hardware documentation
Jan 28 15:11:07 <Wonka> how's GSM?
Jan 28 15:11:17 <init[1]> do you have any other suggestions? what is your view towards flow ? they say its PITA to make one and cost is reasonable. well i'm waiting for Flow 2 which may be much less around ($200-$300)
Jan 28 15:11:18 <Wonka> is X usable with OSS only?
Jan 28 15:11:23 <SpeedEvil> Wonka: yes
Jan 28 15:11:34 <Wonka> I'd like SHR on Nexus...
Jan 28 15:11:40 <SpeedEvil> Wonka: though the graphics accel requires a binary blob AIUI
Jan 28 15:12:43 <DocScrutinizer> errr
Jan 28 15:13:00 <DocScrutinizer> at least I prefer maemo5 to android
Jan 28 15:13:05 <Serdar> hi
Jan 28 15:13:37 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: I don't want Android... I want Nexus with SHR :)
Jan 28 15:13:49 <DocScrutinizer> and please help me out on "how's GSM?"  -  "yes"
Jan 28 15:14:04 <Serdar> hm?
Jan 28 15:14:05 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: that must've been the answer to "is X usable with OSS only?"
Jan 28 15:14:14 <Wonka> Serdar: not you
Jan 28 15:14:18 <init[1]> DocScrutinizer:yea seriously i hate be a java guy ,i don't get the point what do they have to use Java even when their app doesn't run on a JVM.
Jan 28 15:14:24 <Wonka> SpeedEvil: so, how's GSM in N900?
Jan 28 15:14:28 <SpeedEvil> Wonka: not looked at GSM
Jan 28 15:14:57 <Wonka> SpeedEvil: my FR is my mobile IRC device... so GSM, GPRS, 3G is essential for me
Jan 28 15:15:15 <DocScrutinizer> Wonka: works great
Jan 28 15:15:16 <Serdar> init[1], they use their own jvm
Jan 28 15:15:37 <DocScrutinizer51> usually online 24/7 as you see
Jan 28 15:15:37 <init[1]> Serdar: yea i know , have to read about java moto ?
Jan 28 15:15:47 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: GSM in N900? or what? OSS only?
Jan 28 15:15:54 <init[1]> "Code once run everwhere"
Jan 28 15:16:00 <init[1]> every
Jan 28 15:16:00 <DocScrutinizer51> though most of the time via wlan
Jan 28 15:16:11 <Serdar> init[1], you mean motto, right?
Jan 28 15:16:13 <DocScrutinizer51> gsm on N900
Jan 28 15:16:22 <Wonka> 'k...
Jan 28 15:16:33 <Serdar> the problem of java is, that they don't allow work with hardware directly.
Jan 28 15:16:44 <init[1]> Serdar: yes indeed my fingers are wounded atm. :)
Jan 28 15:16:53 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: somehow I had heard there was a BLOB for GSM...
Jan 28 15:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> sure there is
Jan 28 15:17:34 <DocScrutinizer> you got a blob for gsm on FR as well, though on FR it resides on BP rather than AP
Jan 28 15:17:35 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: Firmware BLOB I don't mind... but everything on my Host Processor should be OSS, please.
Jan 28 15:18:05 <SpeedEvil> Wonka: some bits need reverse engineered on the n900 to get to that state
Jan 28 15:18:07 <init[1]> Wonka: did you consider gizmo flow ? 
Jan 28 15:18:08 <Serdar> init[1], the difference is, that jvm use pda's and dalvik vm use register_machine's
Jan 28 15:18:17 <Wonka> init[1]: didn't hear about that yet
Jan 28 15:18:28 <Serdar> gizmo is useing android afair.
Jan 28 15:18:43 <init[1]> Wonka:  http://www.gizmoforyou.net/site/shop/gizmos/computing/flow/flow-g1-5.html 
Jan 28 15:18:46 * Wonka wants dalvik for SHR too, btw...
Jan 28 15:18:47 <SpeedEvil> n900 is much more of a 'normal' linux system than n900
Jan 28 15:18:49 <init[1]> Serdar: yea 
Jan 28 15:18:52 <SpeedEvil> err
Jan 28 15:18:55 <SpeedEvil> android
Jan 28 15:19:00 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I doubt any other phone except Neo is partially as "free" as N900 maemo5
Jan 28 15:19:04 <Wonka> so we'd be able to run 'droid apps on SHR, and native apps too
Jan 28 15:19:25 <Wonka> DocScrutinizer: ack.
Jan 28 15:19:39 <DocScrutinizer> and this holds true especially for those android platforms
Jan 28 15:19:58 <Wonka> but still, nexus is coool hardware.
Jan 28 15:20:02 <DocScrutinizer> just on android nobody even cares about blobs in AP
Jan 28 15:20:07 <Wonka> that trackball... compass...
Jan 28 15:20:16 <Serdar> blobs in AP?
Jan 28 15:20:44 <Serdar> Wonka, there is a compass?
Jan 28 15:20:49 <DocScrutinizer> like RIL for modem
Jan 28 15:21:05 <N900evil> Linux Nokia-N900-42-11 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 17 09:40:52 EET 2009 armv7l unknown
Jan 28 15:21:27 <Serdar> aah N900 evil
Jan 28 15:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> i.E. the gizmo has as many blobs in AP domain as maemo5 I suppose
Jan 28 15:22:04 <Serdar> I don't understand what "blobs in AP" means.
Jan 28 15:22:06 * DocScrutinizer megaevil
Jan 28 15:22:21 <SpeedEvil> blobs on the application processor
Jan 28 15:22:21 <Serdar> I never heard a word called blob
Jan 28 15:22:29 <SpeedEvil> a binary object with no source
Jan 28 15:22:38 <Wonka> Serdar: says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_One
Jan 28 15:22:40 <DocScrutinizer> Serdar: closed binaries in main system kernel to drive peripherals
Jan 28 15:23:08 <Wonka> BLOB == Binary Large OBject ;)
Jan 28 15:23:10 <DocScrutinizer> binary large object - maybe
Jan 28 15:23:33 <Serdar> ahh
Jan 28 15:23:40 <Serdar> it's a shortcut
Jan 28 15:23:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf blob
Jan 28 15:23:52 <apt> Gee...  I don't know what blob means... 
Jan 28 15:25:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf -t comp blob
Jan 28 15:25:13 <apt> usage: wtf <foo>.
Jan 28 15:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> wtf -t comp blob
Jan 28 15:25:21 <DocScrutinizer> BLOB: binary large object
Jan 28 15:26:32 <DocScrutinizer> Serdar: an acronym to be precise
Jan 28 15:26:51 <DocScrutinizer> like AIDS or RAM
Jan 28 15:28:06 <Serdar> yeah
Jan 28 15:28:38 <Serdar> ~wtf blob
Jan 28 15:28:39 <apt> Gee...  I don't know what blob means... 
Jan 28 15:29:04 <DocScrutinizer> apt only knows standard acronym database
Jan 28 15:29:40 <DocScrutinizer> blob is defined in /usr/share/misc/acronyms.comp
Jan 28 15:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> computer database
Jan 28 15:29:53 <init[1]> ~wtf POSIX
Jan 28 15:29:55 <apt> POSIX: POSIX (3perl)        - Perl interface to IEEE Std 1003.1 
Jan 28 15:30:05 <init[1]> :D
Jan 28 15:30:14 <init[1]> ~wtf UNIX
Jan 28 15:30:15 <apt> UNIX: UNIX (7)             - Sockets for local interprocess communication 
Jan 28 15:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~poke init[1] 
Jan 28 15:30:28 * apt cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind init[1], pokes init[1] repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
Jan 28 15:30:40 * init[1] :P
Jan 28 15:30:58 <Serdar> ~poke apt
Jan 28 15:30:59 <SeligArkin> ~make me a sammich
Jan 28 15:31:00 * apt cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind apt, pokes apt repeatedly, hilarity ensues.
Jan 28 15:31:01 <apt> make: *** No rule to make target `me a sammich'.  Stop.
Jan 28 15:31:05 <SeligArkin> :(
Jan 28 15:31:06 <Serdar> oh works
Jan 28 15:31:26 <Serdar> wtf? it runs shell scripts?
Jan 28 15:31:41 <SeligArkin> I doubt that
Jan 28 15:31:45 <Wonka> ~sudo make me a sandwich
Jan 28 15:31:47 <apt> okay
Jan 28 15:32:07 <Serdar> ~toast
Jan 28 15:32:09 <apt> methinks toast is a foreign substance entered through one of the bodys many holes that can be used as an energy source. A man once said that toast is great with marmite - but you either love it or you hate it, personally i prefer cheese on my toast, red leicester cheese...... my mouth be watering.......
Jan 28 15:32:18 <Serdar> oh
Jan 28 15:32:53 <Serdar> maybe it should be /me thinks
Jan 28 15:32:59 <SpeedEvil> I love toast with marmite. But afterwards it burns when I pee.
Jan 28 15:33:17 <SeligArkin> SpeedEvil: thats not from the toast, thats from the hookers. :P
Jan 28 15:33:28 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict marmite
Jan 28 15:33:32 <apt> Dictionary 'marmite' (2): soup cooked in a large pot ;; a large pot especially one with legs used e.g. for cooking soup.
Jan 28 15:34:23 <Serdar> how's with presentation at fosdem, is there no interest?
Jan 28 15:34:51 <DocScrutinizer> (see FZ: "why does it hurt when I pee?"
Jan 28 15:35:18 <SpeedEvil> SeligArkin: (re the previos apt)
Jan 28 15:36:05 <SeligArkin> SpeedEvil: I am just being random and silly
Jan 28 15:36:39 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bcBkwulvXs
Jan 28 15:36:57 <init[1]> is there any similar project like Gizmo Flow that you people are aware of ?
Jan 28 15:37:36 <SpeedEvil> init[1]: pandora?
Jan 28 15:37:48 <SpeedEvil> init[1]: badgerboard
Jan 28 15:38:08 <SpeedEvil> init[1]: mini2440 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/mini2440-S3C2440-ARM9-Board-3-5-TFT-LCD-Touch-Screen_W0QQitemZ120468760959QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c7f697f&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177
Jan 28 15:38:26 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: pandora is gaming thingy ,i mean smart phone :)
Jan 28 15:38:45 <SpeedEvil> no.
Jan 28 15:39:07 <SpeedEvil> What do you plan on doing with this phone?
Jan 28 15:40:56 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: well my intention is ofcourse daily use more than that for educating my self by building  my own mobile phone stack with linux a base :)
Jan 28 15:41:28 <SpeedEvil> I'd say that teh n900 is the best bet - personally - if you want to take advantage of a large community.
Jan 28 15:41:38 <SpeedEvil> wander over to ##mer - for example
Jan 28 15:41:47 <SpeedEvil> and ask about current status
Jan 28 15:41:57 <SpeedEvil> mer is maemo without the closed source bits - largely.
Jan 28 15:41:59 <DocScrutinizer> duh, #mer, not ##mer
Jan 28 15:42:04 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Jan 28 15:42:18 <init[1]> i love to learn :) ,atleast a mini2440 with GSM module would make me happy :)
Jan 28 15:42:27 <SpeedEvil> getting hardware on the assumption that you will do it all yourself all too foten ends up in dissapointment.
Jan 28 15:42:41 <SpeedEvil> Do you really have several thousand hours to spend duplicating effort?
Jan 28 15:43:24 <SpeedEvil> When you could make real contributions to a project that might have tens of thousands or more of users - with a polished internet connection widget for mer - say
Jan 28 15:43:26 <init[1]> SpeedEvil: yea i have cosidered that, this is just my hobby (time is also a factor)
Jan 28 15:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> wooooot, 201 users
Jan 28 16:42:33 <alabd> What is the problem with this ? http://pastebin.com/m456332fe
Jan 28 16:48:36 <Serdar> hi mickey|tv 
Jan 28 16:50:36 <TAsn> DocScrutinizer, didn't think about it :P
Jan 28 16:52:31 <DocScrutinizer> TAsn: np
Jan 28 16:59:00 <mickey|tv> Serdar: hi. i did lots of additions to mdbus2 over the last two days. It's still not finished, but you should be able to do much more, like, calling with simple commands and listening for signals etc.
Jan 28 16:59:33 <Serdar> mickey|tv, huh?
Jan 28 16:59:47 <Serdar> mickey|tv, I was asking about fosdem presentation :)
Jan 28 17:01:33 <mickey|tv> oh, mixed you up then
Jan 28 17:01:36 <mickey|tv> what did you ask?
Jan 28 17:03:21 <Serdar> I talked with pascal bleser yesterday to know if we got a devroom for our project, he said no but he has a room for 9-12 on sunday.
Jan 28 17:03:36 <Serdar> so we can present our project but there is plenty of time for more
Jan 28 17:03:42 <mickey|tv> awesome
Jan 28 17:03:58 <Serdar> so we can join forces.
Jan 28 17:04:01 <mickey|tv> that's on truly short notice, but we should accept it and ask for some lightning talks
Jan 28 17:04:34 <mickey|tv> i can present something about FSO without preparing much ;)
Jan 28 17:04:47 <Serdar> wait I send you a copy of my talk with him. will copy it at pastebin
Jan 28 17:05:33 <mickey|tv> k
Jan 28 17:06:15 <Serdar> http://pastebin.com/d5ed698f6
Jan 28 17:07:59 <Serdar> mickey|tv, he asked for some openmoko releated stuff, that's why I am asking here since monring.
Jan 28 17:10:53 <mickey|tv> interesting. well, if there's anyone that would be interested in FSO (not really AoF, i'm afraid), then i could present something, e.g. "freesmartphone.org -- dbus-based phone middleware'. my name and bio can be grabbed from my website
Jan 28 17:13:26 <Serdar> you need to send it to the eMail adress there.
Jan 28 17:15:32 <mickey|tv> hmm
Jan 28 17:16:19 <mickey|tv> ok, i'll try to collect something
Jan 28 17:16:38 <mickey|tv> try asking on the community mailing list
Jan 28 17:16:44 <mickey|tv> we should probably get more than just one
Jan 28 17:16:52 <mickey|tv> anyways, need to run now
Jan 28 17:16:52 <mickey|tv> cu
Jan 28 17:17:27 <Serdar> I am not on the mailing list oO"
Jan 28 17:42:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~logs
Jan 28 17:42:34 <apt> All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged.
Jan 28 17:48:14 <alabd> On shr-t , bt-configure gives error after running . what's the problem ?
Jan 28 17:52:00 <alabd> what's the problem  http://pastebin.com/m7c286d3f ? after using this script https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/scripts/ipkg-make-index.sh 
Jan 28 18:25:52 <alabd> How to send file via bt ? on shr-t ? 
Jan 28 18:32:35 <alabd> How to see cpu usage ?
Jan 28 18:59:25 <badcloud> hey all
Jan 28 19:00:42 <badcloud> is there a way to erase all sms' in latest shr-u?
Jan 28 19:02:52 <SeligArkin> There was an option last I used it, but I don't recall
Jan 28 19:05:47 <badcloud> the 'clear messagebook' option in the phone section of 'settings' doesn't seem to do it
Jan 28 19:06:57 <SeligArkin> Hrm, well I wish I could be more help but I don't have shr on my moko
Jan 28 19:14:51 <badcloud> SeligArkin: whacha got runnin' on it?
Jan 28 19:15:08 <SeligArkin> badcloud: striped down debian. =^-^=
Jan 28 19:15:30 <SeligArkin> I need to get the saw out and strip it some more, it's down to 50-something M
Jan 28 19:18:13 <badcloud> nice
Jan 28 19:18:34 <badcloud> I got shr-u (duh) on my nand and debian rootfs on usd
Jan 28 19:19:19 <SeligArkin> I have debian right on my flash right now, thats why I am a b it streached for space
Jan 28 19:20:20 <SeligArkin> ... and I just realised how I might be able to re-do the jffs2 image with the right params to make the kernel stop yelling
Jan 28 19:22:49 <badcloud> well done
Jan 28 19:27:17 <jaj> hi, I was wondering, is it safe to pull out the batterie of the freerunner while on usb power?
Jan 28 19:27:46 <jaj> s/batterie/battery/
Jan 28 19:27:47 <apt> jaj meant: hi, I was wondering, is it safe to pull out the battery of the freerunner while on usb power?
Jan 28 19:28:31 <DocScrutinizer> jaj: yup. on FR it's safe
Jan 28 19:28:31 <badcloud> I remember trying it once with the wall charger, nothing bad happened as far as I know
Jan 28 19:28:45 <jaj> DocScrutinizer: thanks!
Jan 28 19:29:02 <badcloud> jaj: *ahem* ;)
Jan 28 19:29:03 <jaj> so you can actually change the SIM card without doing a power cycle?
Jan 28 19:29:06 <DocScrutinizer> jaj: expect GSM to silently stop operation though
Jan 28 19:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> yup you can
Jan 28 19:29:56 <jaj> GSM comes up again when you insert the battery?
Jan 28 19:29:58 <DocScrutinizer> but need to powercycle the modem
Jan 28 19:30:10 <jaj> nice :)
Jan 28 19:30:19 <DocScrutinizer> not without powercycling
Jan 28 19:30:47 <DocScrutinizer> best practice to shut modem down *before* removing bat
Jan 28 19:31:44 <jaj> via /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/power_on
Jan 28 19:31:46 <jaj> ?
Jan 28 19:32:41 <DocScrutinizer> depends on your distro. on shr use settings. on other fso based distro use dbus call. on plain kernel use sysfs
Jan 28 19:33:16 <jaj> ok
Jan 28 19:34:19 <jaj> I have another question, I have hackable:1 on my FR, not sure it's distro-related though but I can't make wifi come up after suspend/resume
Jan 28 19:35:51 <jaj> is this supposed to work or not?
Jan 28 20:10:47 <badcloud> jaj: you can ask over at channel #hackable1
Jan 28 20:13:40 <DocScrutinizer51> openbrokeo: status
Jan 28 20:14:29 <PaulFer``> Hm, funny
Jan 28 20:16:30 <DocScrutinizer51> PaulFer``: does it work now?
Jan 28 20:16:31 <PaulFer``> Ah, it didn't get op yet.
Jan 28 20:16:38 <DocScrutinizer51> aah
Jan 28 20:17:31 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Jan 28 20:17:33 <apt> ~pong
Jan 28 20:17:41 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer51: well, it has chanmode option for this channel but lacks it for -cdevel, nothing to be surprised about.
Jan 28 20:18:18 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Jan 28 20:18:20 <apt> ~pong
Jan 28 20:18:33 <DocScrutinizer51> duh, unvoiced myself
Jan 28 20:18:51 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer51: you won't be able to do anything about the mode enforcing unless you modify his config i'm afraid.
Jan 28 20:19:26 <DocScrutinizer51> could you op it please
Jan 28 20:20:55 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer51: op whom?
Jan 28 20:21:11 <DocScrutinizer51> nm
Jan 28 20:22:27 <DocScrutinizer51> PaulFer``: what do you mean by 'chanmode opion'?
Jan 28 20:22:41 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer51: # chanmode +/-<modes>
Jan 28 20:22:41 <PaulFer``> #    This setting makes the bot enforce channel modes. It will always add
Jan 28 20:22:41 <PaulFer``> #    the +<modes> and remove the -<modes> modes.
Jan 28 20:23:05 <PaulFer``> DocScrutinizer51: the config ndnihil showed me as example had   chanmode "+ntm-lik"
Jan 28 20:23:09 <PaulFer``> For #openmoko
Jan 28 20:24:00 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm. seems he changed that for devel, but not for this chan
Jan 28 20:25:04 <PaulFer``> Indeed
Jan 28 20:25:13 <DocScrutinizer51> boring
Jan 28 20:40:58 <ndnihil> hrm
Jan 28 20:41:02 <ndnihil> both channels have the same modes
Jan 28 20:41:06 <ndnihil> neither are set to forced
Jan 28 20:46:48 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: please ensure openbrokeo doesn't force mode here in #openmoko.
Jan 28 20:46:59 <ndnihil> yeah was just looking at that
Jan 28 20:47:03 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: because it obviously tries :)
Jan 28 20:47:07 <ndnihil> it shouldn't be forcing modes anywhere
Jan 28 20:47:23 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: in the example you gave me there was this line: chanmode "+ntm-lik"
Jan 28 20:47:28 <PaulFer``> For #openmoko
Jan 28 20:47:31 <ndnihil> yeah, I changed that
Jan 28 20:47:51 <ndnihil> I just reset it to ""
Jan 28 20:47:56 <ndnihil> try again
Jan 28 20:48:43 <ndnihil> fixed
Jan 28 20:49:06 <ndnihil> sorry about that
Jan 28 20:49:06 <PaulFertser> -m+R please
Jan 28 20:49:28 <PaulFer``> :D
Jan 28 20:49:29 <ndnihil> want +f in there too?
Jan 28 20:49:36 <ndnihil> it'll forward
Jan 28 20:49:58 <docscrutmp2> I want NOTHING in therew!!!!11!!!eleven
Jan 28 20:50:14 <ndnihil> it's fixed, no force modes
Jan 28 20:50:16 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: i think +f is not needed
Jan 28 20:50:31 <docscrutmp2> I'm well capable of setting chanmodes manually
Jan 28 20:50:47 <ndnihil> it should have forced them in the first place
Jan 28 20:50:54 <docscrutmp2> and I'm starting to feel pissed
Jan 28 20:51:00 <ndnihil> ?
Jan 28 20:51:43 <docscrutmp2>  213919 * You are now known as Docscrutemp       213923 * jOERG_rw n=Joerg_rw openmoko/engineers/joerg :You are now logged in.     213940 * DocScrutinizer51 #openmoko :Cannot send to channel so cannot change nicks
Jan 28 20:51:46 <PaulFer``> ndnihil: Doc doesn't like forced chanmodes.
Jan 28 20:51:57 <ndnihil> nobdy does
Jan 28 20:52:07 <ndnihil> that's why I typically disable that feature
Jan 28 20:52:13 <ndnihil> not sure why it was still forcing here
Jan 28 20:52:22 <ndnihil> but after resetting the chanmodes
Jan 28 20:52:24 <ndnihil> to ""
Jan 28 20:52:28 <ndnihil> it seems to be fixed
Jan 28 20:53:08 <ndnihil> I'll kill the bot off if you prefer
Jan 28 20:53:31 <ndnihil> doesnt look like any of the spam/flood crap is happening at the moment
Jan 28 20:59:49 <DocScrutinizer> well, now it seems ok
Jan 28 20:59:58 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: thanks :-)
Jan 28 21:00:03 <ndnihil> np
Jan 28 22:20:04 <mmu_screen> hmm I screwed up the theme and I lost the top bar, so I can't set it back from "default"
Jan 28 22:21:28 <hajmola> does anyone have a google voice invite i could beg for?
Jan 28 22:23:39 <mmu_screen> voice ?
Jan 28 22:23:53 <hajmola> google voice.
Jan 28 22:24:07 <mmu_screen> never used this
Jan 28 22:24:23 <Serdar> who asked for dalvik on shr?
Jan 28 22:24:39 <hajmola> it's only really in the US
Jan 28 22:25:01 <Wonka> Serdar: me, for example
Jan 28 22:25:25 <Serdar> maybe this can help: http://pdk.android.com/online-pdk/guide/dalvik.html
Jan 28 22:33:38 <Wonka> irgh... what's that?
Jan 28 22:33:38 <Wonka> i cannot scroll there with my touchpad
Jan 28 22:33:47 <Wonka> in other browser tabs I can
Jan 28 22:34:05 <Wonka> (scrolling with cursor keys works, though)
Jan 28 22:34:47 <Wonka> Serdar: thx
Jan 28 22:34:54 <Wonka> Serdar: will look into it some day
Jan 28 22:47:54 <mmu_screen> grrr dirty dirty packagers tarring files without a root folder!
Jan 28 22:49:13 <ndnihil> that's annoying as hell
Jan 28 22:49:37 <ndnihil> so much so that I've developed the habit of -t before -x
Jan 28 22:52:10 <Serdar> mickey|sports, are you still running?
Jan 28 23:08:54 <Serdar> mickey|sports, ping?
Jan 29 00:21:57 <Serdar> mickey|sports, ping?
Jan 29 00:42:49 <Serdar> mickey|sports, if you want to present fso on fosdem please get in contact asap so we can join. I mean if you speak about the freerunner and history and stuff, so we don't do it.
Jan 29 00:54:18 <DocScrutinizer51> FRmhas more history than a single man can talk about without taking a break ;-D
Jan 29 00:55:21 <DocScrutinizer51> FRmhas more history than a single man can talk about without taking a break ;-D
Jan 29 02:38:57 * DocScrutinizer /ignores openbrokeo now, hope that helps
Jan 29 02:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> moin raster 
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