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Jan 30 08:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:32:53] <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:29:47] [Notice] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, The migration is complete! newnet is up and running and you may now manually connect to irc.freenode.net, ports stay the same, however SSL listens on ports 7000 and 7070 if you wish to connect via SSL. We'll be taking down hyperion servers momentarily and we shall see you on the other side! Thank you!
Jan 30 08:43:07 <DocScrutinizer> welcome back everybody
Jan 30 08:43:35 <DocScrutinizer> and enjoy ircd
Jan 30 08:43:44 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:33:25] [Willkommen] Your host is jordan.freenode.net[213.161.196.11/6667], running version ircd-seven-1.0.0
Jan 30 08:49:23 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Jan 30 08:49:43 <DocScrutinizer> I was still pondering
Jan 30 08:50:10 <DocScrutinizer> muhahaha
Jan 30 08:50:17 <PaulFertser> WTF?
Jan 30 08:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
Jan 30 08:50:56 <DocScrutinizer> use a wildcard
Jan 30 08:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm?
Jan 30 08:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> seems to help better
Jan 30 08:52:41 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: ircd doesn't use ! syntax anymore
Jan 30 08:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> #seems that's what I've seen somewhere
Jan 30 08:54:19 <DocScrutinizer> aaah no, it uses ~ instead of n=
Jan 30 08:54:43 <DocScrutinizer> but something might be the cause round that
Jan 30 08:56:37 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, 1/3 user loss on both chan. Not bad
Jan 30 09:00:01 <DocScrutinizer> ola Weiss :-)
Jan 30 09:07:52 <Weiss> :D
Jan 30 09:09:02 <Weiss> interesting.. it doesn't say +R here, but I couldn't send a message until I'd registered
Jan 30 09:10:31 <PaulFertser> Hm, mode/#openmoko [+nt] indeed
Jan 30 09:13:30 <DocScrutinizer> that's bad actually
Jan 30 09:14:46 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:14:35] [472] R is unknown mode char to me is unknown mode char to me
Jan 30 09:14:46 <PaulFertser> #freenode will help i bet ;)
Jan 30 09:15:11 <DocScrutinizer> the hell on fire over there
Jan 30 09:17:58 <ndnihil> hah, 500+ people in there
Jan 30 09:20:35 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Jan 30 09:20:36 <apt> ~pong
Jan 30 09:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> what a hack
Jan 30 09:26:47 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
Jan 30 09:26:48 <apt> ~pong
Jan 30 09:27:14 <ndnihil> go doc go, fastest fingers in the west
Jan 30 09:30:10 <DocScrutinizer> ndnihil: I wonder why openbrokeo doesn't autovoice anymore
Jan 30 09:30:16 <ndnihil> it's not opped
Jan 30 09:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> not that we need it :-)
Jan 30 09:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> it's not?
Jan 30 09:30:48 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Jan 30 09:30:52 <DocScrutinizer> here it is
Jan 30 09:30:55 <ndnihil> yeah, looks like +C will kill the ctcp to channels
Jan 30 09:31:11 <ndnihil> though there were some doing msgs
Jan 30 09:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> +C?
Jan 30 09:31:25 <ndnihil> I was looking through the channel modes
Jan 30 09:31:33 <ndnihil> +C (block CTCPS)
Jan 30 09:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> aah for openbrokeo 
Jan 30 09:31:58 <ndnihil> no, for channel
Jan 30 09:32:15 <ndnihil> looks like they might have added a few new features during the upgrade
Jan 30 09:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:32:09] *** Kanalmodi: +nt
Jan 30 09:32:23 <ndnihil> http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
Jan 30 09:32:39 * DocScrutinizer sighs
Jan 30 09:32:52 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?
Jan 30 09:33:00 <ndnihil> modes not working?
Jan 30 09:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> roundabout nothing works as supposed to
Jan 30 09:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:49:08] *** PaulFertser setzt Modus: +b Agrajag-!filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au
Jan 30 09:34:09 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:49:22] --> Agrajag- hat den Kanal betreten (~filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au).
Jan 30 09:34:10 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:49:23] <-- Agrajag- hat den Server verlassen (Excess Flood).
Jan 30 09:34:12 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:49:23] <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Jan 30 09:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:49:35] --> Agrajag- hat den Kanal betreten (~filip@c211-30-185-177.artrmn2.nsw.optusnet.com.au).
Jan 30 09:34:15 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:49:35] <-- Agrajag- hat den Server verlassen (Excess Flood).
Jan 30 09:34:19 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:50:56] <DocScrutinizer> use a wildcard
Jan 30 09:34:32 <ndnihil> doh
Jan 30 09:34:33 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:51:08] *** PaulFertser setzt Modus: +b Agrajag-!*@*
Jan 30 09:34:42 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:51:34] <DocScrutinizer> hmmm?
Jan 30 09:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:51:51] <DocScrutinizer> seems to help better
Jan 30 09:35:22 <DocScrutinizer> Don't see any +C on chanmodes here
Jan 30 09:35:41 <ndnihil> was #freenode any help?
Jan 30 09:36:00 <ndnihil> I'd imagine they've got their hands full at the moment
Jan 30 09:36:00 <DocScrutinizer> well, for +R it was
Jan 30 09:36:10 * ndnihil not seeing +R here
Jan 30 09:36:23 <ndnihil> 03:36 -!- mode/#openmoko [+nt]
Jan 30 09:36:34 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:19:31] *** DocScrutinizer setzt Modus: -q $~a
Jan 30 09:36:42 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:22:21] <DocScrutinizer> what a hack
Jan 30 09:37:00 <ndnihil> odd
Jan 30 09:37:29 <DocScrutinizer> so lemme guess what they hacked for +C
Jan 30 09:38:27 <d1b> +C ?
Jan 30 09:39:13 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:30:55] <ndnihil> yeah, looks like +C will kill the ctcp to channels
Jan 30 09:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:31:33] <ndnihil> +C (block CTCPS)
Jan 30 09:39:38 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 10:32:09] *** Kanalmodi: +nt
Jan 30 09:40:32 <PaulFertser> The spammers will start to use regular messages then. :|
Jan 30 09:40:44 <ndnihil> probably
Jan 30 09:41:13 <PaulFertser> And they already did use regular messages. Just ctcp's proved to be more visible to the target audience i guess.
Jan 30 09:41:19 <DocScrutinizer> anyway. seems everybody's happy right now. except me getting headache, and probably that's not even caused by ircd
Jan 30 09:41:30 <PaulFertser> Anyway, the new daemon will ignore HTTP POST requests, that's the main win.
Jan 30 09:41:30 <DocScrutinizer> hola! mickey|bbl 
Jan 30 09:41:32 <ndnihil> try caffiene
Jan 30 09:41:40 <ndnihil> helps with headaches
Jan 30 09:41:46 <ndnihil> <-- gets migraines
Jan 30 09:42:19 <DocScrutinizer> saying up all night might actually cause caffeine withdrawal sympthoms
Jan 30 09:42:31 <DocScrutinizer> staying
Jan 30 09:43:53 <mickey|bbl> morning folks
Jan 30 09:44:02 <ndnihil> howdy
Jan 30 09:44:15 <mickey|bbl> ~seen gnutoo
Jan 30 09:44:17 <apt> gnutoo <n=GNUtoo@host46-130-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko-cdevel, 11h 15m 2s ago, saying: 'leviathan, I'll go'.
Jan 30 09:44:19 <DocScrutinizer> dude, you missed the great moment ;-)
Jan 30 09:44:52 <DocScrutinizer> the BIG 'netsplit'
Jan 30 09:45:22 <mickey|bbl> ah
Jan 30 09:45:46 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 09:33:25] [Willkommen] Your host is jordan.freenode.net[213.161.196.11/6667], running version ircd-seven-1.0.0
Jan 30 09:45:51 <mickey|bbl> hmm
Jan 30 09:45:58 <mickey|bbl> something is seriously broken today
Jan 30 09:45:59 <mickey|bbl> mickeyl #htc-linux :Cannot change nickname while banned on channel
Jan 30 09:46:01 <mickey|bbl> wtf?
Jan 30 09:46:13 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Jan 30 09:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> probably they inherited +R
Jan 30 09:46:58 <mickey|bbl> hmm
Jan 30 09:47:01 * mickey|bbl tries to reconnect
Jan 30 10:26:57 <DocScrutinizer> mickey|breakfast: enjoy
Jan 30 10:27:08 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you're around?
Jan 30 10:27:38 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: yes
Jan 30 10:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> phhhfuuu
Jan 30 10:28:01 <DocScrutinizer> was quite quiet here
Jan 30 10:29:20 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: [2010-01-30 11:13:38] <roo> DocScrutinizer: +bq has more options, +CFp was added, +R was removed
Jan 30 10:29:42 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-01-30 11:13:54] <mharris> DocScrutinizer: yeah, a old:new table on an FAQ page, or at the bottom or top of the "using the network" page would be cool to have during the transition. :)  I went over the list and updated my connect commands, etc. but I've watched some folks struggle to figure out "the new way" to do some stuff too.  If the old page is available somewhere, I can make an old:new table and post it somewhere.
Jan 30 12:21:21 <Bert_2> Hi, I see that Qi is in the shr-unstable image list, is it the prefered bootloader now and which images do I need for the FR GTA02v6 ?
Jan 30 12:30:09 <Bert_2> anyone ?
Jan 30 12:31:59 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: if you want Qi, you can use it.
Jan 30 12:32:06 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: if you do not, you can use u-boot.
Jan 30 12:32:24 <Bert_2> PaulFertser: I have some issues with my bootloader, so I would like to put Qi on it
Jan 30 12:32:25 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: you need the kernel image and the filesystem image.
Jan 30 12:32:32 <Bert_2> but I see 6 options
Jan 30 12:32:42 <Bert_2> I already have the kernel and the rootfs
Jan 30 12:32:50 <Bert_2> I'm preparing to upgrade using dfu-util
Jan 30 12:32:57 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: then go ahead, Qi should work, if you experience some particular problems with it, feel free to report to me or to OM trac (category: System Software)
Jan 30 12:33:04 <Bert_2> but I saw the Qi stuff and though "mmm, time to upgrade to Qi"
Jan 30 12:33:24 <Bert_2> PaulFertser: I see 6 option, 3 with ubi, 3 without, which one do I need ?
Jan 30 12:33:37 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: without ubi, take jffs
Jan 30 12:33:54 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: i'd download the light image and then install everything extra i need.
Jan 30 12:34:22 <Bert_2> PaulFertser: qi-s3c2410, qi-s3c2442, qi-s3c6410, which one do i need ?
Jan 30 12:34:29 <DocScrutinizer> I strongly recommend to make yourself familiar with normal rootfs & kernel update, prior to flashing new bootloader
Jan 30 12:34:43 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: 2442
Jan 30 12:34:45 <Bert_2> DocScrutinizer: I am familiar with roots and kernel updates
Jan 30 12:34:54 <Bert_2> I am just not familair with the Qi stuff
Jan 30 12:35:05 <Bert_2> I'm still using the u-boot I put on it at FOSDEm
Jan 30 12:35:25 <Bert_2> but I had some issues with the android installer, and I think I have some semi-broken Qi now
Jan 30 12:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> this one or last years'
Jan 30 12:35:38 <Bert_2> 2009
Jan 30 12:35:42 <Bert_2> 2010 is next weekend :D
Jan 30 12:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> *cough*
Jan 30 12:36:40 <Bert_2> why are you coughing ?
Jan 30 12:36:54 <DocScrutinizer> I caught a flu :-)
Jan 30 12:36:59 <Bert_2> lol :P
Jan 30 12:37:21 <Bert_2> say, do I flash qi just like u-boot with the u-boot -a option ?
Jan 30 12:37:27 <DocScrutinizer> thought fosdem is today
Jan 30 12:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> I'd say basically yes
Jan 30 12:38:10 <Bert_2> will anyone be at FOSDEM btw ?
Jan 30 12:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> though paul is the master of qi
Jan 30 12:38:30 <Bert_2> I really need to get the mic-fix, but I'm no good at soldering
Jan 30 12:38:30 <DocScrutinizer> me not - obviously
Jan 30 12:38:38 <Bert_2> yeah, as you caught a flu
Jan 30 12:38:46 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Jan 30 12:39:11 <Bert_2> PaulFertser: are you going to FOSDEM ?
Jan 30 12:39:18 <Bert_2> or is he from another continent ?
Jan 30 12:39:32 <DocScrutinizer> not exactly, but almost
Jan 30 12:39:42 <Bert_2> what country then ?
Jan 30 12:39:45 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: ru
Jan 30 12:39:48 <DocScrutinizer> ru
Jan 30 12:40:04 <Bert_2> that's quite far from Brussels
Jan 30 12:40:47 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: indeed. I'd be happy to do a buzzfix but alas... I can remotely teach soldering instead ;)
Jan 30 12:41:00 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jan 30 12:41:10 <Bert_2> well, then i need to find myself a soldering iron first
Jan 30 12:41:21 <Bert_2> my brother's isn't really fit for small stuff
Jan 30 12:42:18 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: my first advice if you already know the basics: find some broken video-card or anything else that has 0402 components (see WP for dimensions) and practice SMT on it first.
Jan 30 12:42:43 <Bert_2> I haven't got any experience on soldering
Jan 30 12:42:51 <Bert_2> that's why I'd rather not do it myself
Jan 30 12:43:40 <Bert_2> s/on/at
Jan 30 12:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> 100.00% chance to kill the device when you try buzzfix then
Jan 30 12:45:05 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: probably even your brother's will do, i'm not sure how big that is. But a moderately sized iron is ok for the buzzfix if you have some moderate experience.
Jan 30 12:47:48 <Bert_2> but if I get it right you have to add one resistance to the board, right ?
Jan 30 12:48:02 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: the tricky part is to desolder 0402 R
Jan 30 12:49:59 <Bert_2> so you have to detach on resistance and attach another one ?
Jan 30 12:50:25 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: yes, and add a big capacitor nearby
Jan 30 12:52:47 <PaulFertser> So fucking easy to answer those simple questions, so fucking easy (for me) to make a buzzfix; so damn hard to start enjoying my life :|
Jan 30 12:55:18 <Bert_2> PaulFertser: shall I mail my FR to you ? :P
Jan 30 13:05:22 <PaulFertser> Bert_2: i guess it'll take too long to be reasonable.
Jan 30 13:06:47 <DocScrutinizer> Bert_2: contact Nick of golden-delicious.de. I heard he's doing buzzfixes still
Jan 30 13:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> or just ping alphaone|gone 
Jan 30 13:09:11 <Serdar> mickey|bbl, ping?
Jan 30 13:11:36 <badcloud> anyone know where to find the lib reference in this bug? http://www.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/817
Jan 30 13:12:02 <badcloud> *referenced
Jan 30 13:17:44 <badcloud> or otherwise, is there a media player aside from mokoko in shr which supports auto-pause on incoming call?
Jan 30 13:17:53 <badcloud> mokoko isn't loading at all
Jan 30 13:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, at least a killall -sigstop anyplayer should work all time I guess. Otherwise depends on signalling channels to "talk" to player, aside from clicking GUI (I assume wmctrl won't work on FR)
Jan 30 13:24:41 <DocScrutinizer> of course if you don't need exactly pause but rather mute, you can create a dedicated MP3player alsadevice with softvol easily
Jan 30 13:25:03 <badcloud> thanks, DocScrutinizer 
Jan 30 13:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> you can controll arbitrary softvols via amixer
Jan 30 13:26:38 <badcloud> DocScrutinizer: seems like intone hangs in illume
Jan 30 13:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> intone never eally worked for me
Jan 30 13:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> so no idea here
Jan 30 13:27:47 <root__> ??
Jan 30 13:27:56 <badcloud> DocScrutinizer: so what do you use as a media pl?
Jan 30 13:27:58 <DocScrutinizer> always managed to segfault intone in less than 20sec
Jan 30 13:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> maemo mediaplayer atm
Jan 30 13:28:50 <root__> msg
Jan 30 13:29:09 <root__> nick
Jan 30 13:29:17 <root__> nick nsynet
Jan 30 13:29:20 <root__> ??
Jan 30 13:29:21 <badcloud> DocScrutinizer: on which platform?
Jan 30 13:29:21 <DocScrutinizer> root__: huh?
Jan 30 13:29:40 <DocScrutinizer> maemo5
Jan 30 13:29:41 <root__> can u see my words?
Jan 30 13:29:45 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Jan 30 13:30:03 <DocScrutinizer> can't change your nick?
Jan 30 13:30:14 <root__> funny ,for I almost don't use irc
Jan 30 13:30:22 <root__> in China
Jan 30 13:30:47 <root__> #$%^&*()_
Jan 30 13:31:30 <root__> the openmoko is closed and the software developer have leaved the company
Jan 30 13:31:53 <badcloud> who is this clown?
Jan 30 13:33:37 <DocScrutinizer> ooops, platform. well N900
Jan 30 13:33:46 <root__> and I find they begin to design a wiki reader electronics product...
Jan 30 13:34:11 <DocScrutinizer> root__: you read the topic of this chan?
Jan 30 13:34:21 <root__> yeah
Jan 30 13:35:12 <root__> and I am thinking may be the openmoko's product is too complex to open source
Jan 30 13:35:56 <root__> take easy
Jan 30 13:37:21 <root__> how do u think of openmoko project?
Jan 30 13:37:33 <Martix> DocScrutinizer: you missed last letter in http://build.shr-project.or :-)
Jan 30 13:38:18 <DocScrutinizer> :-S ircd has 350 MAXTOPIC or somesuch
Jan 30 13:54:19 <nsynet> can anyone tell me is "apt" is a auto-reply robot?
Jan 30 14:09:13 <DocScrutinizer> chanops: http://freenode.net/seven-for-hyperion-users.html
Jan 30 14:09:40 <DocScrutinizer> nsynet: yes apt is a bot
Jan 30 14:09:48 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Jan 30 14:09:48 <apt> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Jan 30 14:09:55 <DocScrutinizer> apt: good bot
Jan 30 14:09:56 <apt> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Jan 30 14:10:40 <DocScrutinizer> see /whois apt 
Jan 30 14:10:59 <DocScrutinizer> ~apt
Jan 30 14:11:00 <apt> methinks apt is apt, or kinky.  A Pretty_Cool Tool.  APT package handling utility -- command-line interface
Jan 30 14:22:11 <nsynet> REGISTER 6135984 nsynet@126.com
Jan 30 14:58:42 <babamelone> Hi
Jan 30 14:59:49 <babamelone> I just updated SHR-unstable, but now i am experiencing a problem, which used to be there some months ago before. Scroling through the apps became impossible since the touched app is opened although you were only scrolling
Jan 30 15:02:20 <DocScrutinizer> for me setting illume wrench app activation to "doubleclick" was the solution to all issues like that
Jan 30 16:14:15 <rvs1st> was the white screen of death fix?
Jan 30 16:24:12 <rvs1st> helo
Jan 30 16:24:17 <rvs1st> anyone pls help
Jan 30 16:35:06 <PaulFertser> rvs1st: it wasn't fixed for good
Jan 30 17:38:33 <rvs1st> which distro does have the less WSOD any idea? SHR?
Jan 30 18:42:31 <larsc> openwrt
Jan 30 20:55:16 <Gabrys> hi, is it safe to insert SD card after powering on?
Jan 30 20:55:34 <Gabrys> when you don't have SIM card or battery inserted
Jan 30 20:55:43 <Gabrys> into FreeRunner
Jan 30 20:56:03 <max_posedon> yes
Jan 30 20:56:32 <max_posedon> with neo connected buy usb
Jan 30 20:56:43 <max_posedon> s/buy/by
Jan 30 20:57:31 <Gabrys> max_posedon: great, thank you :)
Jan 30 22:55:14 <johngay> Evening everybody!
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Jan 30 22:57:35 <johngay> Was it something I said???
Jan 30 22:57:43 <thrashold> johngay: Yes
Jan 30 22:57:55 <Kamping_Kaiser> not so much a netsplit as a net shatter
Jan 30 22:58:22 <johngay> Anyone using a BT headset? which distro?
Jan 30 23:02:07 <johngay> I'm currently running hackable:1 and though my BT keyboard works great, I can't get my headset working. But I've been looking at qtmoko recently and like the look-N-feel of it.
Jan 30 23:04:32 <50UAAANBC> Hey guys look at me, I have an invalid nickname :S
Jan 30 23:05:48 <invalid> No, I do.
Jan 30 23:21:19 <johngay> guess no one here is using a BT headset on their FR?
Jan 30 23:27:37 <uzi18> is there kms in shr?
Jan 30 23:28:36 <PaulFertser> johngay: any particular question?
Jan 30 23:58:24 <Weiss> uzi18: not by default yet AFAIK. hoping to do a lot of stabilisation next week
Jan 30 23:59:33 <uzi18> speed improvements also could be usefull
Jan 31 00:00:00 <uzi18> "unlocking" screen getting "lags"
Jan 31 00:08:09 <JaMa|Zzzz> uzi18: yes not by default but you can just download kms enabled kernel
Jan 31 00:08:24 <uzi18> mhm
Jan 31 00:09:07 <uzi18> shr locking screen shows sometimes Arrow initiialy on right not on left 
Jan 31 00:09:48 <uzi18> and this screen is not very reposive 
Jan 31 01:25:05 <hipitihop> I'm currently using faster kernel and modules 95ca9febb855295 from here http://users.tkk.fi/~tajyrink/moko/kernel_20100108_nodebug_nopreempt/ and it seems fines gsm/wifi however fr suspends when plugged in despite settings disabling suspend
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