**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 04 02:59:57 2010 Feb 04 04:21:40 SpeedEvil: (vocoder) LOL. My suggestion when ever a chat about crypted GSM starts to bore me Feb 04 04:23:33 to be more precise my suggestion usually is to build a dolmetcher app to navajo OTA and back to more widespread coding on receiver side Feb 04 04:25:39 but I'm rather sure you'll learn to talk navajo much quicker than you succeed to implement a speech-to-speech realtime translator Feb 04 04:27:12 (speech effect altering thingys) sox! Feb 04 04:28:45 or talk mrmoku into building ladspa package Feb 04 04:32:18 :) Feb 04 04:59:24 how realistic is the idea of discreet speech recognition for dialing? Feb 04 05:05:25 well the cpu would whoop it Feb 04 05:05:40 any stupid N95 can do Feb 04 05:06:56 I guess the algos are rather IP Feb 04 05:10:09 there are two or three quite heavy speech2text FOSS projects I found last couple of years. Nothing lightwight for a mobile phone Feb 04 08:36:41 how do I change the illume gadget size from commandline? Feb 04 08:36:59 I was just playing around with my newly upgraded SHR, when I set the size to max just to see. Feb 04 08:37:15 now I can't clik the top-bar to enter illume-config anymore to reset it. Feb 04 08:37:34 I also can't access the "home" and "close current application" icons there. Feb 04 08:37:59 I think I found the config-file under ~/.e/e/config/illume/module.illume.cfg but it seems to be stored in some binary format. Feb 04 08:38:22 muhahahahahahahah Feb 04 08:38:32 just to thwart you Feb 04 08:38:33 in that file I see some ascii text like "main_gadget_size" etc. Feb 04 08:38:39 it's all drm'd and locked down Feb 04 08:38:46 haha Feb 04 08:38:53 :0 Feb 04 08:39:05 I can't understand why anyone would ever want to store config-data in binary formats. Feb 04 08:39:10 :( Feb 04 08:39:24 what kind of format is that actually? Feb 04 08:39:33 I bet one of those bytes will be the chosen size. Feb 04 08:41:10 I would be happy if anyone could point me to a solution. Feb 04 08:41:57 either how to modify the file, or, for instance start the illume-config from commandline. Feb 04 08:42:04 pooze: there's a decompiler for that format Feb 04 08:42:16 pooze: you cant understand why because you are not a programmer and you likely dont really understand just how much work is involed in parsing text for machines. :) Feb 04 08:42:47 pooze: the format is eet. guess what the tool is that can play with the format and export/import/encode/decode? Feb 04 08:43:04 pooze: as raster's explained to me, using binary format for configs makes sense when he's exposing all the controls to end-user with some nice UI anyway. Feb 04 08:43:14 raster: greetings :) Feb 04 08:43:16 raster: parsing key-value pairs is dead simple, actually. Feb 04 08:44:51 PaulFertser: if one can access that gui-tool, sure.. and if one would like to script things that "points and clicks around in a foreign application" to script different config-chances, also fine. Feb 04 08:45:45 pooze: if you can use sed, you can use the decompiler tool as well. Raster did it the way it was easier for him, he's some sane reasoning ;) Feb 04 08:46:14 PaulFertser: boo :) Feb 04 08:46:22 pooze: the config isnt key-value Feb 04 08:46:25 Moo Feb 04 08:46:58 pooze: its heirachical, nested, with the ability to hold hashes, linked lists, arrays, multiple data types, arrays of lists of hashes of structs of structs of lists of... Feb 04 08:47:06 raster: ok, honestly I don't know what is in the config-file. you're probably right though. :) Feb 04 08:47:12 its a generic datatype blasted in a portable format to disk Feb 04 08:47:18 and un-blasted on load Feb 04 08:47:23 ok, sounds a lot tougher when you put it that way. :) Feb 04 08:47:35 there is a decoder and encoder Feb 04 08:47:53 xml comes to mind though, although I don't know if it's applicable to this particular config-system. Feb 04 08:48:07 it tags all elements with types and keys - it has blocks/chunks with sizes for fast load (no need to scan every byte first to know where to begin/end something) Feb 04 08:48:16 its the same format used for edj files Feb 04 08:48:44 so its all designed to be 1. efficient, 2. fast, 3. abel to dynamically pages file segemtns quickluy at runtim to fetch what is needed and present coe with an already de-coded data struct in ram Feb 04 08:48:57 and as such it can do the reverse - walk the memory struct and blast out a blob Feb 04 08:49:05 and yes - could have used xml Feb 04 08:49:20 it'd be bigger, slower and also still not that readable Feb 04 08:49:23 use eet Feb 04 08:49:35 ok, I'll have a look at that. Feb 04 08:49:40 thanks for the help anyway. Feb 04 08:49:51 btw, you don't happen to know what the illume-config executable is called? Feb 04 08:50:00 there isnt one Feb 04 08:50:06 its all loaded into the wm Feb 04 08:50:10 modules Feb 04 08:50:14 oh.. right.. Feb 04 08:50:29 thats why it comes up instantly Feb 04 08:50:34 there is no init phase Feb 04 08:50:41 it just re-uses the wm init Feb 04 08:50:47 it just adds more routines/code to do the dialog Feb 04 08:51:06 efficiency focused on again Feb 04 08:57:30 raster: I think slipshelf.main_gadget_size is the one I would want to change. Do you happen to have a "sane" value I could give it? Feb 04 08:57:38 like 48 or something? Feb 04 09:33:51 I've tried to play around with the eet tool now, but I can't seem to make it work. Feb 04 09:34:03 Hi, I've just downloaded the SHR image shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100125-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 and the corresponding md5, and they don't match. Feb 04 09:34:11 I can decode the file by 'eet -d module.illume.cfg config outfile' Feb 04 09:34:56 looking at the outfile, I see a struct called Illume_Cfg which holds several values, like slipshelf.main_gadget_size which is the one I want to change. Feb 04 09:35:12 brankom: then download again Feb 04 09:35:56 but I can't seem to reach the particular key I'm looking for, eg: Feb 04 09:35:56 eet -x module.illume.cfg config.slipshelf outfile Feb 04 09:35:57 cannot read key config.slipshelf Feb 04 09:36:05 eet -x module.illume.cfg config.Illume_Cfg outfile2 Feb 04 09:36:05 cannot read key config.Illume_Cfg Feb 04 09:36:23 any help on how to access the particular key using eet? Feb 04 09:36:42 Heinervdm: Been there, done that. Feb 04 09:38:43 I even tried comparing against nosummary md5, just in case. Feb 04 09:40:33 brankom: Feb 04 09:40:35 md5sum /tmp/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100115-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Feb 04 09:40:36 dd909607691d8f0a5284c7a45e472daf /tmp/shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100115-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Feb 04 09:40:47 just downloaded Feb 04 09:40:56 so your download is corrupt Feb 04 09:41:48 Heinervdm: 0125 :) Feb 04 09:41:57 Not 0115 Feb 04 09:42:14 I'm downloading 0115, though, to test it. Feb 04 09:42:14 oh, ok :) Feb 04 09:43:28 brankom: why so old image.. 0201 should be fine Feb 04 09:43:38 JaMa|Gone: testing Feb 04 09:43:43 Yep Feb 04 09:43:44 ah I see Feb 04 09:43:53 JaMa|Gone: can you check checksum on buildhost? Feb 04 09:44:02 sure Feb 04 09:44:07 JaMa|Gone: for me it seems to missmatch too Feb 04 09:45:21 hehe just rechecked 0115 instead 0125 too ;) Feb 04 09:45:41 ... Feb 04 09:45:44 it looks so similar ;) Feb 04 09:45:46 right one is 7b71f5e35e37e4f9289acb55bff665b9 shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100125-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2 Feb 04 09:45:56 Heinervdm: no I copy&pasted your filename :) Feb 04 09:46:16 so question is, why do they missmatch Feb 04 09:46:20 I should upgrade my script.. Feb 04 09:46:38 :D Feb 04 09:46:40 * brankom has a weird feeling there's a problem with 0115 as well... Feb 04 09:46:44 Heinervdm: I run md5sum for all files where file.md5 doesn't exist.. Feb 04 09:47:09 Heinervdm: but if I have to create image more then once a day Feb 04 09:47:11 Nope, 0115 is ok. Feb 04 09:47:17 Oh, and one more thing about that script of yours. Feb 04 09:47:19 Heinervdm: then only for first image is it generated right Feb 04 09:47:25 Could you have it drop the directory part when doing md5? Feb 04 09:47:42 brankom: sure Feb 04 09:48:14 Also, did you consider using PGP signing as well? Feb 04 09:48:20 JaMa|Gone: ok, that can be a reason Feb 04 09:48:28 problem is how to detect recreated images.. Feb 04 09:48:37 Hm... Feb 04 09:48:39 as bitbake remove only image not image.md5 :/ Feb 04 09:48:40 Date changes? Feb 04 09:48:50 As in check if md5 is older than the file? Feb 04 09:48:59 brankom: good Feb 04 09:49:38 I'll look into it in the evening.. Feb 04 09:49:51 this whole script before rsync is stupid hack.. Feb 04 09:50:10 Heheh Feb 04 09:50:15 and I want to patch image creationg in oe.dev to do that Feb 04 09:51:26 now it just runs cd /home/shr/shr-testing/tmp/deploy/images; for i in */*.bin */*.ubi */*.ubifs */*.jffs2 */*.jffs2.nosummary */*.tgz */*.tar.gz; do if [ ! -e \${i}.md5 -a ! -h \${i} ] ; then echo MD5: \$i; md5sum \${i} > \${i}.md5; fi; done; before rsync.. Feb 04 10:01:27 brankom: regenerated.. Feb 04 10:01:35 brankom: I'll regenerate all without path Feb 04 10:01:52 Thanks :) Feb 04 10:03:03 but PGP signing only as proper patch for image.bbclass Feb 04 10:09:39 thanks raster and PaulFertser, I finally managed to reset the size of the topshelf gadgets. :) Feb 04 10:09:59 Who'll be coming to FOSDEM? Feb 04 10:10:32 does anybody know where I can configure the bottom-screen buttons in SHR? There used to be three buttons, "Dialer", "Messages" and "Contacts". Now there are 10 buttons. Only the first one seems to work, which is the touch-screen calibration. Feb 04 10:13:33 brankom: i will be there on sunday, there is a wiki page at openmoko wiki Feb 04 10:15:48 Ok, decided to download 3-4 distros to test before heading over :) Feb 04 10:20:13 pespin: autorev for emtooth set.. Feb 04 10:21:44 JaMa|Gone, yay, thanks! :) Feb 04 10:46:27 Hm... e17 keeps segfaulting with 0125 Feb 04 10:47:31 brankom: testing? Feb 04 10:47:35 strange Feb 04 10:47:44 there is same efl for long Feb 04 10:48:57 Yep, testing. Booting it again. Feb 04 10:49:10 Any way to rerun welcome wizarD? Feb 04 10:49:22 brankom: remove ~/.e Feb 04 10:49:50 Ok, thanks ;) Feb 04 10:50:56 Hm... It seems it's much faster now. Feb 04 10:50:59 Good work :) Feb 04 10:55:44 Hm... Keeps segfaulting. Feb 04 10:55:51 During first-time boot wizard. Feb 04 10:56:02 anybody knows where to configure the bottom buttons on SHR, or any keywords I could search for? The buttons that used to be "Dialer", "Messages" and "Contacts" ? Feb 04 11:35:26 I have no idea what you guys did with SHR, but it's tenfold more responsive. Feb 04 11:38:11 as for SHR.. my first first freerunner is in the mail at the moment. Once I get it I'm going for SHR, but should it be testing or unstable? How unstable is -u, more often broken than working or what? Feb 04 11:43:34 jaacoppi: currently unstable is more unstable, so if you need something you can rely on, use testing. Feb 04 11:48:10 brankom: a recent update? Feb 04 11:50:04 brankom: so segfault gone away? Feb 04 11:50:32 Well, I flashed to 0115 instead of 0125 Feb 04 11:50:52 Can it be related to phone going into suspend during wizard running? Feb 04 11:51:38 Me stange that should be the one with the broken kernel i think... Feb 04 11:51:51 s/Me/hmm Feb 04 11:52:05 hmm only difference between 0115 and 0125 is kernel config Feb 04 11:52:08 I've downloaded latet uimage Feb 04 11:52:25 Yeah, but it's the e17 segfaulting in 0125. Feb 04 11:52:31 During wizard, that is. Feb 04 11:53:33 but IIRC I moved that image with nodebug kernel and debug modules to old Feb 04 12:15:23 What would you recommend for reading the iCalendar for FOSDEM on Neo? Feb 04 12:51:59 be warned, words starting with "i" and uppcase second char may trigger autokick in this channel ;-P Feb 04 12:52:22 hahah Feb 04 12:52:41 lol Feb 04 12:52:46 iDunno what anyone sees in iDevices Feb 04 12:52:51 DocScrutinizer: iHateApple Feb 04 12:53:11 Actually, looking for something to import calendar with FOSDEM events on the phone itself. Feb 04 12:54:21 errm, Kontact once succeeded to do that (import vCalendar or somesuch) Feb 04 12:54:52 I don't think we got Kontact or Evolution on OM yet Feb 04 12:55:16 even amazed we got any calendar app Feb 04 12:55:24 brankom: you can write a viewer for it, that shouln't be that hard Feb 04 12:55:38 brankom: we have a python lib to read iCal Feb 04 12:55:51 I know of Osmo Feb 04 12:55:56 Ah Feb 04 12:56:15 latest shr-unstable is still causing problems for me... (4.2.2010). hit or miss at finding my network and when it does i can't make an outgoing call or to be clearer, i can't hear any ringtone or get a connection, although the person i'm calling reports receiving a call... Feb 04 12:56:24 don't know wich one, but it's in the depencies of pisi Feb 04 12:56:52 djp_, opkg upgrade for network problem Feb 04 12:57:15 pespin: ah, ok... thanks. Feb 04 12:57:18 djp_, calling problem is known bug, there's people working on it ;) Feb 04 12:57:38 [2010-02-04 13:15:33] pespin: yes.. that's the other problem with sound.. Feb 04 12:57:39 [2010-02-04 13:15:34] and volume was set to 0 when I did first call Feb 04 12:57:40 pespin: i have no problem however, using the release from 1.2.2010 Feb 04 12:57:41 [2010-02-04 13:16:04] alsactl -f /usr/share/shr/scenarii/gsmhandset.state restore Feb 04 12:58:17 gpe-calendar is in OE and works with iCal (I used it last year FOSDEM) Feb 04 12:58:28 DocScrutinizer, yeah, but that lets you without ringtones I think ;) Feb 04 12:58:33 Ah, nice. I'll check it out. Feb 04 12:59:13 yeah, it's a shame Feb 04 13:00:43 it was funny yesterday, hearing the ringtone but don't activating the call as I knew I couldn't hear anything in active call xD Feb 04 13:01:21 btw, is there somewhere with a bluetooth HID? bt kb, mouse, etc. who wants to try out bluetooth Input connecting using emtooth and report how does it work? I've implemented this feature but I don't have a device to try it out ;) Feb 04 13:10:27 pespin: run an opkg update and opkg upgrade... rebooting now. is that all i need to do? Feb 04 13:10:42 run=ran Feb 04 13:10:55 djp_, yep, confirm libfsotransport has been upgraded (downgraded actually) Feb 04 13:15:38 pespin: hmm, connected to network fine now, but still no ringtone... basically silence... Feb 04 13:16:42 djp_, did you run alsactl order afer rebooting? Feb 04 13:16:44 *after Feb 04 13:16:58 you have to do it each time you reboot Feb 04 13:17:14 pespin: ah i see. Feb 04 13:17:27 and after that, you con't hear ringtones, but you'll be able to hear person on call at the other side :P Feb 04 13:17:53 going for lunchh Feb 04 13:18:27 pespin: cheers... enjoy lunch Feb 04 13:18:42 think i'll revert to 01.02.2010 build :) Feb 04 13:32:42 if I have a rootfs.img is it posisble for me to mount that on my desktop machine just to compare some files ? Feb 04 13:32:54 -o loop Feb 04 13:33:12 for mount arg Feb 04 13:33:13 Where does SHR-T save the messages, in what file? Feb 04 13:34:21 ndnihil, sorry have done basic mounts and nfs but not familiar enough, would you mind to be more explicit Feb 04 13:34:37 ndnihil: it's not that easy to mount jffs2 Feb 04 13:34:53 PaulFertser: no? Feb 04 13:36:10 ndnihil: you need some way to "emulate" nand for that, so just -o loop doesn't work. Feb 04 13:36:15 paulfertser, are all the distros rootfs in jffs2 ? in this case it is a qtmoko .img Feb 04 13:36:53 hipitihop: if it was a tar archive, you'd have tar.gz i guess. Feb 04 13:38:05 hipitihop: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image#Mounting_the_JFFS2_image_on_a_loopback_device_.28Kernel_Memory_MTD_Emulation.29 Feb 04 13:38:17 Obvious google search shows this. Feb 04 13:39:36 http://wep-linux.berlios.de/mtddevices.html Feb 04 13:39:55 * ndnihil is pondering converting the spykee to jffs Feb 04 13:40:00 squashfs is annoying Feb 04 13:40:48 PaulFertser, indeed thanks, my bad, keep forgetting google is friend Feb 04 13:41:04 hipitihop: google is the enemy in fact Feb 04 13:41:12 But it helps sometimes Feb 04 13:41:14 don't mean to be a pain Feb 04 13:46:13 anyone knows how to configure the bottom buttons on SHR? Those that used to be "Dialer", "Messages" and "Contacts"? Or can give me any clues as to how to search google for it? Feb 04 13:54:48 Btw, I'll flash the phone later this evening with 0125 to check if suspend during wizard was a problem. Feb 04 13:55:01 Oh, and it is I - Leclerk (azaghal) Feb 04 14:03:25 test Feb 04 14:03:27 sorry Feb 04 14:06:13 File for SMS's in SHR, anyone? Feb 04 14:08:02 rhkfin, /etc/freesmartphone/opim/sqlite-messages.db Feb 04 14:10:48 pespin|lunch: huh? not under /home..?! ok, then good bye messages :/ Feb 04 14:10:59 Had to reflash, backed up /home but not /etc :/ Feb 04 14:12:23 rhkfin, you can make/restore a backup from uSD using shr-settings I think :) Feb 04 14:12:44 too late Feb 04 14:12:47 it might be helpful for you next time :P Feb 04 14:16:16 What's the average suspend time for SHR now (without the deep-sleep HW patch)? Feb 04 15:01:17 what about open source Symbian on my Neo Freerunner? Feb 04 15:17:05 forget about it Feb 04 15:17:30 you will find that it's the same as all other "open source" mobile OSes Feb 04 15:17:37 nothing can be just taken Feb 04 15:17:50 you'll have man months work to do the device integration Feb 04 15:18:09 if you're willing to do that, give it a try Feb 04 15:18:18 if not, rather contribute to the existing efforts Feb 04 15:24:57 shr is just so stagnant Feb 04 15:25:34 wah Feb 04 15:25:37 i don't think so Feb 04 15:25:48 there's tons of work in the middleware (fso) Feb 04 15:25:51 and also on UI Feb 04 15:26:06 but of course, with only a handfull of people, it's not progressing like hell Feb 04 15:26:25 once FSO supports more platforms (very soon), i have hopes to see more people being interested Feb 04 15:26:29 i think every other system is more stagnant Feb 04 15:26:34 correct Feb 04 15:27:08 when was the last update on sybian, and what has changed? Feb 04 15:27:47 mickey|office: are you using an ide for fso development? Feb 04 15:28:29 Heinervdm: no really. my IDE is composed out of Geany (best editor i could find) and the console Feb 04 15:28:33 s/no/not/ Feb 04 15:28:34 mickey|office meant: Heinervdm: not really. my IDE is composed out of Geany (best editor i could find) and the console Feb 04 15:28:45 i used to use kdevelop a lot Feb 04 15:28:52 but they've completely ruined it in 4.0 Feb 04 15:28:59 does fso feature gui applications? Feb 04 15:29:13 fso is middleware layer, no UI Feb 04 15:29:38 we rely on things like h:1, litephone, zhone, SHR Feb 04 15:29:43 to provide UI Feb 04 15:29:58 i like to have autocompletion for oo programming Feb 04 15:29:59 paroli can be considered dead as well by now Feb 04 15:30:08 Heinervdm: give Geany a try Feb 04 15:30:26 qtmoko also and enlightenment Feb 04 15:30:39 i mean qtopia Feb 04 15:30:51 yep, qtopia is dead. EFL is being actively used in many projects Feb 04 15:32:31 is paroli actually dead? Feb 04 15:33:37 mickey|office: kate is still a good editor Feb 04 15:34:14 yes, they're sharing the same editor component, kate and kdevelop Feb 04 15:34:32 for some reason the 4.x version is no longer my style though Feb 04 15:35:00 mm i loved the initial kate of kde4 Feb 04 15:35:00 d1b: well, no one declared its official death, but the only people who work on are the pyneo guys Feb 04 15:35:04 really nice colours and stuff. Feb 04 15:35:17 but then they made it brown ... and it isn't configurable. Feb 04 15:35:28 mickey|office: geany mm i should try that .... Feb 04 15:35:31 i like vim and kate. Feb 04 15:35:45 the thing i like w/ geany is its fast Feb 04 15:35:51 that's where gtk actually shines these days Feb 04 15:35:57 not very comfortable UI, but very fast Feb 04 15:36:13 it looks ok ... Feb 04 15:36:32 aah it looks bad to me i guess Feb 04 15:36:37 hehe Feb 04 15:36:46 editors are taste Feb 04 15:36:48 none of them other than kate sync the terminal to the current working files dir Feb 04 15:36:50 much as programming languages Feb 04 15:36:58 i have seen really Feb 04 15:37:34 i don't see any autocompletion in geany Feb 04 15:37:45 it's there Feb 04 15:40:45 hm... at 25c3, I tried to talk to the pyneo guys about what they wanted to do... Feb 04 15:40:54 I did not receive _any_ useful answer. Feb 04 15:41:13 Wonka: is that even still around? Feb 04 15:41:39 d1b: they were at 26c3 again. I did not try to talk to them there though. Feb 04 15:42:38 not even after I took my FR out of my pocket and mentioned that I already hat done stuff that got into SHR did they open up in any way... Feb 04 15:43:21 odd... Feb 04 15:43:45 I asked myself why they even advertized their presence with banners when they react in that way to outside people Feb 04 15:43:48 i didn't know about h:1 and litephone but shr still seems to be the best choice Feb 04 15:44:02 I don't know litephone Feb 04 15:44:04 shr > Feb 04 15:44:33 Wonka: litephone is a one in all Qt app Feb 04 15:44:47 and h:1 looks way too much like factory default software to me, which was... well... SHR is better. Feb 04 15:45:03 actually the default wasn't that bad Feb 04 15:45:04 I'd like some debian that's much more shr-like Feb 04 15:45:22 Wonka: there are a lot of shr things packaged already Feb 04 15:45:28 have a look Feb 04 15:45:35 i've seen shr-dialer Feb 04 15:45:55 last time i updated is some weeks ago though Feb 04 15:46:05 3 or 4 Feb 04 15:46:26 mmm i had shr kernel panic just being connected in via usb Feb 04 15:46:30 testing ... Feb 04 15:46:41 i'm really looking for arch-arm to feature fso (arch linux is my favorite distro). but that still leaves me without phone gui applications Feb 04 15:47:00 I got a 16GB uSDHC, so debian being bigger than SHR would not matter that much Feb 04 15:47:29 uhsf: might want to take a look at lightphone, or cook an own GUI app Feb 04 15:47:51 next time i will flash the internal memory. uSD is too slow for applications Feb 04 15:47:52 how is valla anyways? Feb 04 15:47:53 uhsf: phonefsod; phoneuid for incoming; shr-dialer, shr-messages, shr-contacts for outgoint? Feb 04 15:48:30 for "sometimes i just need something that just works" zhone miiight be suitable Feb 04 15:49:11 I'd like a way to disable the GSM call handling stuff in zhone though. Feb 04 15:49:23 i don't know if i could use the maemo5 dialer on top of arch-arm and fso Feb 04 15:49:41 I like the GSM cell display thingie and the GPS stuff. Feb 04 15:50:29 (I even sent in patches to improve the latter - #493 #495 #497) Feb 04 15:50:55 seems mickey hasn't really time for them until now Feb 04 15:51:27 i suck Feb 04 15:51:33 Wonka: do you want commit access? Feb 04 15:51:51 might help Feb 04 15:51:53 uhsf: if you want to drag the whole middleware in, then you can use maemo. be warned though, lot of it is closed. Feb 04 15:52:02 but I don't know if I want the responsibility ;) Feb 04 15:52:05 hehe Feb 04 15:52:07 don't worry Feb 04 15:52:09 it's an SCM Feb 04 15:52:12 we can revert Feb 04 15:52:17 send me your SSH key Feb 04 15:52:18 I know trac... Feb 04 15:52:34 where to? Feb 04 15:52:50 no one is really using zhone, so there aren't a lot that will spank you Feb 04 15:53:19 especially the GPS UI stuff is very useful, IMO Feb 04 15:59:34 what is phoneuid? Feb 04 15:59:52 the ui deamon Feb 04 16:00:11 it caches the screens Feb 04 16:00:40 because of that the shr apps are so fast Feb 04 16:01:11 oooh Feb 04 16:01:14 really? Feb 04 16:01:38 not all till now Feb 04 16:03:29 so i still need shr-dialer over this Feb 04 16:03:58 you need libphone-ui and libphone-ui-shr too Feb 04 16:04:12 opimd and ogsmd in all this? Feb 04 16:04:15 shr-dialer is just a wrapper fro libphone-ui-shr Feb 04 16:04:50 don't know if it will run without opimd Feb 04 18:13:53 what jffs2 file is best to use with the latest uimage (9.1.2010)? (i'm referring to shr-unstable) Feb 04 18:14:32 1.2. Feb 04 18:15:50 Heinervdm: ah, right... this one then, shr-full-eglibc-ipk--20100201-om-gta02.rootfs.jffs2? Feb 04 18:16:11 yes Feb 04 18:16:14 Heinervdm: thanks Feb 04 18:18:03 is anyone else playing with UBIfs? it's loads faster.. Feb 04 18:18:40 hi there Feb 04 18:19:05 just wondering : how could help a distro (namely "shr-testing") use an "assigned" mac adress? Feb 04 18:19:29 like described here : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#So_is_it_.22usb0.22_or_is_it_.22eth1.22.3F Feb 04 18:19:32 ? Feb 04 18:22:12 olivierm: shr-testing uses these mac adresses Feb 04 18:22:28 damn Feb 04 18:22:42 why do it announces different adress on every connection then? Feb 04 18:23:20 it doesn't do that for me Feb 04 18:23:51 hint : I'm booting on the SD card with uboot Feb 04 18:24:12 when it worked, it was an shr-unstable (an old one, before the return of testing) on the internal flash Feb 04 18:24:21 maybe it's related? Feb 04 18:25:16 don't know Feb 04 18:25:56 I suppose there is a way for userland to set MAC adress, isn't it? Feb 04 18:29:21 ifconfig eth0 mac:33:22;33 or something like that Feb 04 18:29:23 man ifconfig Feb 04 18:30:16 yup, hw and such Feb 04 18:30:20 found it afterwards Feb 04 18:30:21 but thanks Feb 04 18:39:17 Wonka: argh, i didn't copy the /query, could you send me your key agian? Feb 04 18:48:26 mickeyl: resubmitted ;) Feb 04 19:38:03 hi guys Feb 04 19:41:12 Gabrys: hi :] Feb 04 19:43:11 does someone actually recommend cheap li-poly high capacity batteries for FR from ebay like this one http://cgi.ebay.pl/Li-POLYMER-AKKU-fuer-NOKIA-wie-BL-5C-BL5C-1100-1101-1112_W0QQitemZ370256375219QQcmdZViewItemQQptZHandy_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item5634ffedb3 Feb 04 19:43:13 ? Feb 04 19:44:09 are those real li-poly or just some regular ones with fake labels Feb 04 20:14:18 is the #1024 bug present in the gta02a7? Feb 04 20:14:36 or is it only earlier models? Feb 04 20:14:50 djp_: it is present in all mass-production models Feb 04 20:15:29 PaulFertser: i see, thanks. Feb 04 20:15:34 djp_: probably some devices are lucky to have a slightly bigger capacitor (due to normal deviation) but do not count on it. Feb 04 20:15:59 djp_: i mean some devices might be more suspectible to #1024 than others, but no revision contained any fixes, so they're all the same. Feb 04 20:16:03 PaulFertser: sure. :) Feb 04 20:16:17 djp_: recently some european shop announced they're selling A7+, with the fix applied. Feb 04 20:16:37 djp_: in fact i applied the fix myself on 3 devices so far and it was ok. Feb 04 20:16:57 PaulFertser: yes, i noticed that... golden delicious Feb 04 20:19:02 PaulFertser: thanks for the info. i wasn't sure whether any factory freerunners were shipping with the fix. so basically the a7+ is a third-party fix. Feb 04 20:19:49 djp_: yes, exactly :) Feb 04 20:39:42 * Weiss has A7+.. it's nice :) Feb 04 20:40:17 * PaulFertser has buzz+bass+1024 fixed A6. And it sucks :| Feb 04 20:40:40 :( Feb 04 20:40:49 in what ways? Feb 04 20:41:58 Weiss: too small and clumsy for typing text, too high consumption with wifi (and wifi doesn't work with all APs), too slow and unreliable as a cellphone etc etc. Feb 04 20:43:07 I'd agree on the text.. ATM I have a small stylus which is nice, but old-style numeric keypad text entry (eg for SMS) would be a much better fit for the hardware Feb 04 20:43:46 so, I'm not the only one thinking this way? Feb 04 20:44:15 not at all Feb 04 20:44:27 * dos1 has not fixed at all A5 and is happy with it :P Feb 04 20:44:35