**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 13 02:59:58 2010 Feb 13 03:28:35 err, UFO files? Feb 13 04:09:32 damn, what a freakin brilliant lightshow in canada Feb 13 04:09:57 what is it? Feb 13 04:10:09 a bird a plane... Feb 13 04:10:22 northern lights? Feb 13 04:10:26 hehe Feb 13 04:11:02 fifty 15KW-HD-beamers Feb 13 04:13:00 mayve 200 Feb 13 04:15:09 those buggers created a cinema canvas out of a complete sports arena (stadion?) Feb 13 04:15:30 including visitors seats area Feb 13 04:15:46 incredible Feb 13 10:22:47 Anyhow, hopefully, ciao until monday Feb 13 10:22:54 bye. Feb 13 14:58:12 radekp: what kernel have you compiled for QtMoko-v19, is it based on the linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 one? Feb 13 15:01:14 the stripped one didnt work for me Feb 13 15:02:00 i used android yesterday Feb 13 15:03:38 slaxxer: which kernel do you mean, the openmoko one or the QtMoko's "nodebug" one? Feb 13 15:04:12 qt no-debugg Feb 13 15:04:43 slaxxer: the "debug" one should be better Feb 13 15:04:49 it was Feb 13 15:04:55 on android? Feb 13 15:05:00 no Feb 13 15:05:14 ah Feb 13 15:05:52 android worked pretty well but i didnt put the sim in it Feb 13 15:06:26 back to shr testing Feb 13 15:06:43 kernel linux-image-2.6.28-openmoko-gta02 is buggy on Debian Feb 13 15:07:13 so I wonder to install the last one:linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 Feb 13 15:07:18 or... Feb 13 15:07:35 the QtMoko debug one Feb 13 15:07:44 on Debian Feb 13 15:08:34 because I think that kernel linux-image-2.6.29-openmoko-gta02 is also buggy Feb 13 15:09:29 SHR is slow, and touchscreen calibration is really bad Feb 13 15:11:31 phone calls are noisy and user interface is not intuitive Feb 13 15:12:30 and I don't talk about the default illume keyboard... Feb 13 15:16:42 Has anybody has successfully mixed different kernels on different distributions? Feb 13 15:17:10 Like the QtMoko-v19-debug on Debian? Feb 13 15:33:34 ? Feb 13 15:33:48 maybe with modules Feb 13 15:42:30 radekp: where to find the QtMoko-v17 modules? Feb 13 15:42:41 v-19 sorry Feb 13 16:36:29 hello, Will packages saved on fr when we use opkg install ? Feb 13 19:41:23 cosmos: the modules are part of the rootfs, you can find them under /lib/modules Feb 13 19:45:32 radekp: hi radek, I'm just installing QtMoko on the uSDcard, so because I don't have a card reader or a PC slot, I've mounted /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/card, create a dir /media/card/opt, download qtmoko-v19-debian.tar.gz in ./opt, and then I'll extract it on /media/card and remove ./opt and ./lost+found Feb 13 19:46:25 radekp: which kernel is on this tar file the debug one or the non-debug one? Feb 13 19:46:42 both Feb 13 19:47:08 but uImage-GTA02,bin (the default one is no-debug one) Feb 13 19:47:53 ok Feb 13 19:48:08 btw why do you want to run if from SD card? Feb 13 19:48:39 i think then NAND flash is more reliable then SD card Feb 13 19:51:07 radekp: because I need space to install additional debian packages, X window systems,etc... Feb 13 19:51:39 hmm oki Feb 13 19:52:21 radek: I get these errors: Feb 13 19:52:24 neo:/media/card/opt# tar -xjvf -C /media/card qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz Feb 13 19:52:24 tar: -C: Cannot open: No such file or directory Feb 13 19:52:24 tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now Feb 13 19:52:24 tar: Child returned status 2 Feb 13 19:52:25 tar: /media/card: Not found in archive Feb 13 19:52:27 tar: qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz: Not found in archive Feb 13 19:52:29 tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors Feb 13 19:53:22 radekp: I remember to encounter the same errors previously when trying to untar QtMoko on a folder on my PC Feb 13 19:54:37 cosmos: /media/card is the ext3 partition on SD card? Feb 13 19:54:50 radekp: and why do I not install directly Debian on the uSDcard? Because Debian is actually simply buggy Feb 13 19:55:47 radekp: I've mounted /dev/mmcblk0p1 (ext3) on /media/card Feb 13 19:56:12 and where you have qtmoko tarbal? Feb 13 19:56:33 in /media/card/opt Feb 13 19:56:50 then do this: Feb 13 19:56:53 cd /media/card Feb 13 19:57:08 tar xzvpf /media/card/opt/qtmoko-debian-v19.tar.gz Feb 13 19:58:03 radekp: ok that works like that! Feb 13 19:58:36 btw you want to use qi for booting? Feb 13 19:58:45 radekp: yes Feb 13 19:59:09 oki, so after unpacking you can reboot and it should boot it from SD card Feb 13 19:59:41 radekp; Ideal would be to keep QtMoko on the NAND and to run applications from uSD card Feb 13 20:00:39 radekp: booting from the NAND flash I mean Feb 13 20:00:48 cosmos: you can edit /etc/fstab so that you can have /home directory on SD card Feb 13 20:01:36 radekp: also /local/lib? Feb 13 20:01:57 radekp: and /local/bin? Feb 13 20:02:18 yes Feb 13 20:02:29 it's just matter of how you mount it Feb 13 20:03:37 maybe you could mount /usr to be on SD card too Feb 13 20:03:48 but i never tried :) Feb 13 20:03:53 radekp: So I can keep QtMoko on nand flash and then install different deb packages (from lenny stable) on the uSD card? Feb 13 20:05:10 yes, IMO it should be possible Feb 13 20:05:30 radekp: that could be a really good alternative for the FR in general Feb 13 20:06:11 but i give no warranty :) Feb 13 20:06:22 you can just do mount -o bind /media/card/usr /usr Feb 13 20:07:03 and if you install something it will be on SD card Feb 13 20:07:46 exactly only the part of the package that installs to /usr (but that is where most of the big files go) Feb 13 20:10:04 * radekp is off now - watching Alien ;-) Feb 13 20:10:36 radekp: 1, 2, 3, or 4? Feb 13 20:12:28 azaghal: 1st one, then the second one :) Feb 13 20:12:45 Heheh Feb 13 20:18:40 radekp: The installation on uSDcard doesn't work... Feb 13 20:19:17 radekp:so maybe the mount -o bind alternative... Feb 13 20:50:10 cosmos: i forgot, when you want to boot from SD you have to use the nodebug kernel Feb 13 20:51:01 cd /media/card/boot Feb 13 20:51:03 rm uImage-GTA02.bin Feb 13 20:51:20 cp uImage-v19-debug.bin uImage-GTA02.bin Feb 13 21:22:23 radekp: you mean cp uImage-v19-nodebug.bin uImage-GTA02.bin Feb 13 21:23:59 radekp: if I have to use the nodebug kernel. Feb 13 21:57:44 radekp: no, that doesn't work. I still boot on NAND Feb 13 22:09:26 cosmos: the nodebug kernel does not work from SD card Feb 13 22:09:39 cosmos: btw are you sure you have qi installed? Feb 13 22:12:35 radekp: ok I misunderstood your precedent messages Feb 13 22:14:37 cosmos: if you want to boot from SD card you need qi installed, as is documented here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qi Feb 13 22:15:18 cosmos: and you need to use the debug kernel as i described above (cp uImage-v19-debug.bin uImage-GTA02.bin) Feb 13 22:18:21 radekp: that boots now Feb 13 22:20:08 nice :) Feb 13 22:20:58 thanks ;) Feb 13 22:38:37 radekp: I have some questions about Qi Feb 13 22:38:52 oki Feb 13 22:39:18 do i can run xfce under Qi? Feb 13 22:39:32 instead of match-box? Feb 13 22:39:57 I would like to run puredata on the FR Feb 13 22:40:37 and I mean I have to install several Xorg packages Feb 13 22:40:47 Is it ok for the frame buffers? Feb 13 22:41:54 cosmos: Qi is bootloader, you mean QtMoko? Feb 13 22:42:17 ...sorry I mean QX Feb 13 22:42:20 ahh ok Feb 13 22:42:34 i think it should be possible to use xfce Feb 13 23:23:54 radekp: I get a try with puredata and QX on matchboxWM, I get: unable to start puredata.sh Feb 13 23:27:11 even with chmod -x Feb 13 23:42:50 radekp: so I'll try with xfce Feb 13 23:51:18 cosmos: you mean chmod +x yes? Feb 13 23:54:55 SeligArkin: yes Feb 13 23:55:37 the problem comes from xfree or xorg dependencies Feb 13 23:55:44 Handheld puredata, hm? That's a pretty awesome idea.... Feb 13 23:57:13 rozzin: yes with [netsend] [netreceive], [pduino], [gem?] Feb 13 23:58:00 rozzin: actually there is no armel pd-extended, but maybe in a short time... Feb 13 23:58:26 rozzin; but puredata is sufficient for several tests Feb 13 23:59:06 cosmos: Some day, I may actually get around to trying pd :\ Feb 14 00:00:03 rozzin: what is your distribution Feb 14 00:00:06 ? Feb 14 00:00:33 cosmos: on the FreeRunner, SHR. Feb 14 00:01:09 cosmos: Debian everywhere else. Feb 14 00:01:56 rozzin: so If you manage to convert .deb to .ipk, puredata is installable Feb 14 00:02:35 even pd-extended dependencies from debian-multimedia Feb 14 00:04:10 Something like that; the binary dependencies will be different between any given version of Debian and SHR, Feb 14 00:04:48 but it's not a big deal with make a deb, or an ipk. Feb 14 00:06:38 Except... it's impossible to build a toolchain for the current SHR, which does make building things for it sort-of a pain. Feb 14 00:08:57 cosmos: Have you done much with pd? Feb 14 00:09:19 rozzin; yes a little bit Feb 14 00:10:03 * rozzin idles for dinner. Feb 14 00:52:02 radekp: purdata run well on matchbox-window-manager Feb 14 01:17:38 radekp: ok puredata is a little bit slow under QX>matcbox-window-manager>matchbox-desktop>matchbox-panel, but that's ok, I've run the sinewave audio exaample and the sound is quite good! Feb 14 01:18:33 ok bye! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 14 02:59:57 2010