**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 20 02:59:57 2010
Feb 20 09:02:47 <Psi> wow, whoever fixed gps on gta01 under shr, thanks
Feb 20 09:03:28 <Psi> just noticed today that gps is working great (1-feb image)
Feb 20 09:04:00 <Psi> got a fix in <3 min while inside (used to get a lock in maybe 30min outside)
Feb 20 09:04:25 <Psi> and it plotted my course and speed all the way home just now. Working great!
Feb 20 10:11:57 <pieterc> http://lwn.net/Articles/375297/ → does this interfere with FSO?
Feb 20 10:12:18 <pieterc> Or isn't this basically what FSO does?
Feb 20 10:13:43 <pieterc> mickeyl: yes this question is one addressed to you ;)
Feb 20 10:18:56 <[Rui]> pieterc: theoretically it could replace the calypso firmware, but if it worked (as it is right now) on Neo's calypso, then it would only receive calls
Feb 20 10:25:24 <pieterc> Oh, hi [Rui]
Feb 20 10:25:44 <pieterc> so it's basically the layer beneath FSO?
Feb 20 10:27:51 <max_posedon> kind of,
Feb 20 10:28:16 <max_posedon> its firmware - it will be loaded to gsm chip, which have own cpu
Feb 20 10:28:21 <max_posedon> (so FR have 2 cpus)
Feb 20 10:28:40 <max_posedon> and it runs in in gsm chip, 
Feb 20 10:30:15 <badcloud> 2?
Feb 20 10:30:39 <badcloud> how is that?
Feb 20 10:31:15 <max_posedon> where you think gsm firmware work?
Feb 20 10:31:46 <badcloud> guess I didn't really have the knowledge to think about it
Feb 20 10:31:54 <badcloud> I figured it was a one-cpu thing
Feb 20 10:32:04 <max_posedon> yes and no
Feb 20 10:32:13 <badcloud> ...
Feb 20 10:32:15 <max_posedon> any gsm chip have separate cpu
Feb 20 10:32:20 <badcloud> ah
Feb 20 10:32:21 <max_posedon> but its not accessvle
Feb 20 10:32:22 <badcloud> I get it
Feb 20 10:32:36 <max_posedon> for anyone except gsm firmware
Feb 20 10:32:42 <badcloud> got it
Feb 20 10:32:50 <badcloud> is there a newer v than 11?
Feb 20 10:32:58 <max_posedon> as I know - not
Feb 20 10:33:43 <badcloud> k
Feb 20 10:37:13 <badcloud> you guys know anyone from Bergen, Norway with a debug b?
Feb 20 10:37:42 <Psi> badcloud: for some things like gsm/gps you have lots of math to, or you might want to update how the chip works in the future, so its easier to just put a tiny cpu in the chip and have it run code (firmware) than to design the whole thing in hardware
Feb 20 10:38:16 <badcloud> Psi: cool. thanks for droppin' the science :)
Feb 20 10:41:34 <Psi> the whole thing, cpu/memory/flash to store firmware can be inside the chip, so externally it just looks like any old chip doing its job. Not really any way to tell externally that its got a cpu inside or not
Feb 20 10:41:53 <badcloud> wow
Feb 20 10:42:04 <badcloud> so how do you find out if there is one?
Feb 20 10:42:18 <Psi> you can read the datasheet for the chip
Feb 20 10:42:24 <badcloud> right
Feb 20 10:42:36 <Psi> but sometimes whats inside the chip is kept secret
Feb 20 10:42:50 <Psi> since no one really needs to know how it works, just how to interface to it
Feb 20 10:42:58 <badcloud> ah
Feb 20 10:43:04 <badcloud> makes (some) sense
Feb 20 10:51:11 <[Rui]> pieterc: yeah.
Feb 20 10:59:20 <mickeyl> pieterc: no, it would rather accompany FSO
Feb 20 11:00:06 <mickeyl> for the records, IIRC we have about 5 CPUs on the FR, not just 2 :)
Feb 20 11:00:20 <max_posedon> wow, what is the rest 3?
Feb 20 11:00:22 <pieterc> mickeyl: ok, great news then :)
Feb 20 11:00:28 <mickeyl> AP, BP, WiFi, GPS, BT
Feb 20 11:00:47 <max_posedon> and all of them complicated arm cpus?
Feb 20 11:00:57 <badcloud> you would think it would be a powerhouse then ;)
Feb 20 11:01:13 <mickeyl> mostly, i think
Feb 20 11:01:24 <mickeyl> dunno what gps and bt runs on
Feb 20 11:01:33 <max_posedon> I know that usually gsm armv7 based... but wifi/etc...
Feb 20 11:02:24 <PBeck> hi
Feb 20 11:03:59 <pieterc> msg [Rui] Well recovered from FOSDEM? ;-) 
Feb 20 11:04:18 <[Rui]> pieterc: no, still wish it was FOSDEM all year long
Feb 20 11:13:12 <Guest56959> Hi all
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> I've a dependency question:
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> if I do:
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> opkg install e2fsprogs-uuidgen
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> I get:
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> Installing e2fsprogs-uuidgen (1.41.9-r0.4) to root...
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> Downloading http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/ipk//armv4t/e2fsprogs-uuidgen_1.41.9-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
Feb 20 11:14:20 <Guest56959> Collected errors:
Feb 20 11:14:21 <Guest56959>  * Package e2fsprogs-uuidgen wants to install file /usr/bin/uuidgen
Feb 20 11:14:21 <Guest56959> 	But that file is already provided by package  * util-linux-ng
Feb 20 11:14:22 <Guest56959>  * Cannot find package e2fsprogs-uuidgen.
Feb 20 11:14:22 <Guest56959> What should I do?
Feb 20 11:39:18 <jaacoppi> is it already provided?
Feb 20 11:40:11 <mickeyl> you can try the --force- options
Feb 20 11:42:35 <Guest56959> yes probably I can do --force-..., but isn't it a problem with dependencies in the repository?
Feb 20 11:42:35 <Guest56959> actually I forced uninstalling e2fsprogs-uuidgen to be able to upgrade util-linux-ng
Feb 20 11:43:13 <mickeyl> yes, there's probably an update-alternatives missing somewhere
Feb 20 11:43:31 <mickeyl> and/or some RPROVIDE
Feb 20 11:44:40 <Guest56959> I'm just a user, I don't know the package details.... should I create an issue in trac for this?
Feb 20 11:45:33 <mickeyl> worth a try @ bugs.openembedded.org
Feb 20 11:45:57 <mickeyl> it's not a SHR issue per se
Feb 20 11:46:24 <Guest56959> I'm using SHR, aren't the packages for this distribution maintained by SHR temselves?
Feb 20 11:46:37 <mickeyl> that would be hell of work
Feb 20 11:46:45 <mickeyl> SHR only maintains their own
Feb 20 11:46:53 <mickeyl> and things that are special to SHR
Feb 20 11:47:06 <Guest56959> ok, I'll add an issue at openembedded...
Feb 20 11:47:07 <mickeyl> the hundreds of base packages are straight from OE unmodified
Feb 20 11:47:35 <Guest56959> thanks for your directives
Feb 20 11:48:27 <mickeyl> np
Feb 20 12:27:55 <JaMa|GoNe> Guest56959: please read this thread first: http://www.mail-archive.com/openembedded-devel@lists.openembedded.org/msg03712.html
Feb 20 15:35:49 <Guest56959> JaMa: thanks for pointing that out
Feb 20 15:39:04 <JaMa|GoNe> Guest56959: if the problem was created by that patch.. probably fastest way to get it fixed would be to reply there
Feb 20 15:40:37 <JaMa|GoNe> Guest56959: but I'm not sure if that was commited already.. so maybe it fix for your problem instead :)
Feb 20 15:46:53 <CooL_SPoT> hi everyone
Feb 20 15:46:59 <Hardy_> hi
Feb 20 15:47:00 <CooL_SPoT> just installed android
Feb 20 15:47:11 <CooL_SPoT> And i can't connect to it
Feb 20 15:47:17 <CooL_SPoT> searched google a lot
Feb 20 15:47:36 <CooL_SPoT> it just doesn't seem to be reconize by my computer
Feb 20 15:48:50 <tomcatek> CooL_SPoT: you have linux or windows machine?
Feb 20 15:48:56 <CooL_SPoT> linux
Feb 20 15:49:15 <CooL_SPoT> the android show as eth2
Feb 20 15:50:03 <tomcatek> have You configured this interface for proper IP?
Feb 20 15:50:27 <CooL_SPoT> ifconfig eth2 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0
Feb 20 15:50:43 <CooL_SPoT> adb kill-server;  ADBHOST=192.168.0.202 adb devices
Feb 20 15:50:43 <CooL_SPoT> * daemon not running. starting it now *
Feb 20 15:50:43 <CooL_SPoT> * daemon started successfully *
Feb 20 15:50:43 <CooL_SPoT> List of devices attached
Feb 20 15:50:55 <CooL_SPoT> and i see nothing
Feb 20 15:51:26 <CooL_SPoT> i get a ping from 192.168.0.202
Feb 20 15:51:37 <CooL_SPoT> but adb does not show the device
Feb 20 15:51:57 <Q-Master> CooL_SPoT: If you read ok, then you should see that by default adb is OFF in android for freerunner now for security reasons
Feb 20 15:52:04 <tomcatek> have You tried to ssh on Your ohone?
Feb 20 15:52:27 <CooL_SPoT> Q-Master: so what should i do?
Feb 20 15:52:53 <Q-Master> CooL_SPoT: no idea really. ask Serdar
Feb 20 15:53:46 <CooL_SPoT> timcatek:
Feb 20 15:53:46 <CooL_SPoT> ssh root@192.168.0.202
Feb 20 15:53:47 <CooL_SPoT> ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused
Feb 20 15:54:02 <CooL_SPoT> *tomcatek
Feb 20 15:54:37 <tomcatek> can Youy check if sshd is working on the phone?
Feb 20 15:55:12 <CooL_SPoT> ok
Feb 20 15:55:16 <CooL_SPoT> found the solution
Feb 20 15:55:21 <CooL_SPoT> Settings -> Application -> Development -> USB Debugging.
Feb 20 15:55:36 <CooL_SPoT> now it reconized
Feb 20 16:15:29 <metropolis_pt2> hi, has anyone here heard of osmocomBB?
Feb 20 19:03:32 <ftn> Hi there. I'm using SHT testing on my freerunenr and when I try to erase the last sms it won't do it. It removes it from the list of messages but whenever I restart the phone it is still there. Can you give me any hint? pls
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