**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 21 02:59:57 2010 Mar 21 05:43:45 DocScrutinizer: (nor uboot image) not sure but i can compile one once i get home. What execatly mod do you need? Because if you need no mods, one can simply dump his working nor. Mar 21 07:04:11 Hi guys, do you know any any methord to sign the application please ?? Mar 21 07:04:21 Hi guys, do you know any any methord to sign the symbian application please ?? Mar 21 09:45:03 http://build.shr-project.org/ is not reachable, anyone knows any mirror? Mar 21 10:05:12 Zoup, it's down, there is no mirror Mar 21 10:05:39 JesusMcCloud: any estimation for downtime? Mar 21 10:05:57 nope Mar 21 10:06:03 i'm just a user Mar 21 10:06:10 JesusMcCloud: i see, thanks Mar 21 12:00:53 ls -l /dev/mtd0 returns crw-rw---- but cat .. > or dd of=/dev/mtd0 fails with readonly filesystem error Mar 21 12:01:42 it's me again, the guy with blank NOR Mar 21 12:25:23 Orias_Korva: I might join your club. I'm awaiting a debug board in the mail Mar 21 12:38:42 badcloud: I hacked my board by soldering a jumper to defeat write protection, but I'm not sure if it worked Mar 21 12:47:36 PaulFertser: Orias_Korva got the image of nor by now. Mar 21 12:48:04 Orias_Korva: you did tha unprotect cmd mentioned in that script? Mar 21 12:48:33 no, I only did the hw hack Mar 21 12:49:02 whare can I find the flash_unlock and friends? Mar 21 12:50:09 # Write to NOR with the following commands: Mar 21 12:50:10 # Mar 21 12:50:12 # - on the host, connected via a debugv3 board: Mar 21 12:50:13 # norwp rw Mar 21 12:50:15 # Mar 21 12:50:16 # - on the GTA02: Mar 21 12:50:18 # flash_unlock /dev/mtd0 Mar 21 12:50:19 # flash_eraseall /dev/mtd0 Mar 21 12:50:20 I see that Mar 21 12:50:21 # cat nor.bin >/dev/mtd0 Mar 21 12:50:51 but I don't have flash_unlock, flash_eraseall Mar 21 12:51:06 I'd guess werner's repo and people drawer should be a good starting point Mar 21 12:52:11 skim http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ and ..(.(.)) Mar 21 12:52:47 I found norwp, whis is no use for me Mar 21 12:52:56 and people.openmoko.org/werner Mar 21 12:53:24 norwp is same as your soldering art Mar 21 12:56:17 maybe wpwrak will join us here. Lemme wait and enjoy my morning coffee ;-) Mar 21 12:57:03 DocScrutinizer: enjoy Mar 21 12:57:34 ~seen wpwrak Mar 21 12:57:36 wpwrak is currently on #openmoko-cdevel (13h 32m 30s), last said: 'PaulFert`: thanks for making the ar6000 suck a little less :)'. Mar 21 12:58:06 DocScrutinizer: hmm, I didn't know this, thanks Mar 21 12:58:18 hmm, this timestamp isn't related to the "last said" Mar 21 13:23:59 DocScrutinizer: ok, cool. I wasn't at home so was of little help :) Mar 21 13:24:52 seems Orias_Korva found a lot of help (well maybe just enough) in *cdevel Mar 21 14:08:49 is http://build.shr-project.org down or is it just me? Mar 21 14:12:11 same problem here, can't even ping Mar 21 14:13:14 that won't help my upgrade much :-/ Mar 21 14:19:42 well, are the shr and debian only 'alive' distributions now? Mar 21 14:20:35 who looks after build.shr-project.org ? Mar 21 14:21:59 i did ask on #openmoko-cdevel they think it down for memory upgrade Mar 21 14:22:08 oh Mar 21 14:22:13 did they announce it anywhere? Mar 21 14:22:18 but they can be jokikg as always Mar 21 14:25:33 i'm losing the will to be open Mar 21 14:26:54 don't die so easyly :) Mar 21 14:27:43 i'm waiting my openmoko will fork somehow ok from bying it more than year ago Mar 21 14:27:51 and still have a hope Mar 21 14:28:48 even i did reflash it 6 times last month because it become unusable Mar 21 14:29:51 and last reflash stopped when build. gone down Mar 21 14:30:42 tim_abell, if you need tar.gz image i think i have last one, but if you want repo, wait with me Mar 21 14:33:49 well it's time to think about making a mirror for build.shr-project.org, i think i can host it Mar 21 14:37:36 i was trying to opkg upgrade Mar 21 14:37:49 i've posted what i got from cdevel to shr-user for everyone else Mar 21 14:38:05 flaky ram finally croaked, effectively Mar 21 14:38:18 hosted by bearstech Mar 21 14:44:24 could someone post the the mailing list when the server is back up? Mar 21 14:51:13 sorry, have no access to mailing list Mar 21 14:51:53 i'll ask on cdevel Mar 21 15:08:18 what's the matter with build.shr-project.org? Mar 21 15:08:21 seems to be down Mar 21 15:08:23 only for me? Mar 21 15:15:05 ram failure Mar 21 15:15:10 apparently Mar 21 15:15:43 http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2010-March/004200.html Mar 21 15:49:34 well, everything is ready for mirroring, but can be the build.shr-project.org tree can be obtained before host is up? Mar 21 16:39:14 Good day all , how to download whole one country map whit best quality ?(upper level) Mar 21 16:39:58 With what map viewer? Mar 21 16:49:19 SpeedEvil, good day no difference Mar 21 16:52:38 albald, if you need just image of some zoom level try www.openstreetmap.org, zoom to country, and open export tab Mar 21 16:53:09 there will not be much details in there Mar 21 16:54:31 at least on low zoom levels, and on high zoom levels there limit of how much data can be exported Mar 21 16:54:41 but it is free as an air Mar 21 16:55:19 You can setup your own tileserver, and have as detailed as you'd like. (though of course limited by the data) Mar 21 16:56:53 walkie, www.openstreetmap.org here if we select a country will that download the recent level ? or it will download whole country with best quality that shows streets and homes ? Mar 21 16:57:41 It will download an image of about 4000 pixels square at most Mar 21 16:57:48 usually the image you have on screen is (current zoom level) can be exported without problems Mar 21 16:58:02 To download a whole country to the highest zoom level would take many, many gigabytes. Mar 21 16:58:31 Also - to the highest zoom levels would not be good - as 99.99% of those tiles are generated on the fly Mar 21 16:58:38 which is _expensive_ for the servers Mar 21 17:00:56 alabd, you can use tangogps (GPS icon) on shr just for map, it will automatically download the pieces of map you are looking to - ready to use Mar 21 17:04:00 but if you want to use image of map outside application it is better to read wiki.openstreetmap.org that is not very simple Mar 21 17:24:05 if build.shr-project.org is down, where are the commits done? Mar 21 17:24:28 commits done to freesmartphone.org Mar 21 17:25:54 walkie, don't want use it outside , didn't asked question well ,see humble want to download part of earth maps with best quality (level 15) to use them while don't have internet connection Mar 21 17:26:01 i was thinking fso is dead... and most fo developers moved to shr Mar 21 17:26:21 walkie, shr is fso Mar 21 17:26:46 e.g. shr use fso Mar 21 17:26:53 alabd, in tangogps click somewhere on map and choose 'map download' Mar 21 17:27:19 there can be selected +1 to +x zoomlevels Mar 21 17:27:36 but beware - whole country is a lot of gygabytes Mar 21 17:27:40 alabd: or download .bin from openstreetmaps and use navit with it Mar 21 17:29:32 alabd: in this format all europe in reasonable quality is ~730MB Mar 21 17:30:02 tomcatek, is there a navit for freerunner ? Mar 21 17:30:14 yes Mar 21 17:30:16 walkie, sure Mar 21 17:30:26 I'm using for some time Mar 21 17:30:31 walkie, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Navit Mar 21 17:32:20 thanks guys, i'm playing with freerunner only time to tme, and mising most the news Mar 21 17:32:34 walkie, choosing 'map download' is possible for current position only yes ? Mar 21 17:34:22 alabd, yes Mar 21 17:34:51 you chhose which zoomlevel you start and select +x zoomlevels to download Mar 21 17:35:48 alabd: http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ Mar 21 17:35:51 see it's required to get other place maps rather than current position Mar 21 17:36:03 here You can download navit-prepared map Mar 21 17:36:05 tomcatek, thanks Mar 21 17:36:45 with this maps navit will support routes Mar 21 17:37:43 any idea when build.shr-project.org will be back online? Mar 21 17:38:21 alabd, select zoomlevel you start, move map to other position you needeed, tap somewhere on map, and select 'map download' all you have on screen will be downloaded up to +x zoomlevel Mar 21 17:39:41 tomcatek, tangogps support routing when internet is available via requests to yournavigation.org Mar 21 17:39:58 walkie, how to let someone check our position from internet ? Mar 21 17:40:15 walkie: navit support it offline Mar 21 17:41:10 alabd: from tangogps You can send sms with Your position or update Your position at application server Mar 21 17:41:35 and let Your regostered friends to see Your position Mar 21 17:42:34 tomcatek, sms where si it ? Mar 21 17:43:33 i don't have tangogps at my FR :/ Mar 21 17:43:57 well, i think copy and paste and send sms to your friend, or tangogps already have sms portal? Mar 21 17:44:24 it have that portal Mar 21 17:44:42 unfortunately I can't install tangogps now :/ Mar 21 17:44:56 since repository is down Mar 21 17:44:57 walkie, you mean if it is at zoom level 6 and we use +4 zoom levels in map download it will be level 10 ? Mar 21 17:45:19 walkie, can not see sms option Mar 21 17:45:49 alabd, at 6 zoomlevel with +4 will be downloaded 7, 8, 9, 10 zoomlevels Mar 21 17:45:58 of that position Mar 21 17:46:43 tomcatek, well using friens' update via gprs must be cheaper than sms Mar 21 17:47:13 walkie: it depends to which country You are traveling :) Mar 21 17:47:42 alabd, i hear for sms option firs time, probably some info can be found on tangogps.org ? Mar 21 17:47:48 walkie, when it is at zoom level 6 it shows some towns , with map download will it download all town 7, 8, 9, 10 zoomlevels ? Mar 21 17:48:09 alabd, yes Mar 21 17:49:06 and a 'empty' forests sands waters tiles between towns Mar 21 17:49:53 tomcatek, is http://maps.navit-project.org/download/ the same ? Mar 21 17:50:28 yes Mar 21 17:50:52 walkie, how to use those maps for new tangogps ? Mar 21 17:52:07 Hello! I've some problem with the neo FreeRunner. The display stays black, no matter what I do. How ot figure out how to get it work again? Ho to figure out wether it's a hardware problem? Mar 21 17:53:59 not shure if my message was delivered so i repeat it Mar 21 17:54:02 alabd, i think the difference with tangogps and navit is in folowwing: navit uses vector data of roads and tango gps uses bitmap picture of that data in the image - that's why it tooks more place, but navit can have some vector info filtered out for example house shapes Mar 21 17:57:36 so when traveling on long distances navit can give you more info in less megabytes, when you searching a house in big city tangogps is more usable Mar 21 18:00:41 walkie, how to use those maps for new installed tangogps ? and what is opencyclemaps for ? Mar 21 18:04:02 opencyclemaps is for bicycle drivers - shows bicycle routes where available and hill grade (i think) Mar 21 18:06:07 when you select layer (better simple OSM i think) all pieces of map downloaded to ~\Maps\OSM and stored there for offline use Mar 21 18:07:21 that ones you looked on screen and selected via 'map download' Mar 21 18:07:43 once downloaded they never get downloaded again Mar 21 18:08:46 when you have not much space on / it is better to move ~/Maps to /media/card and symlink /home/root/Maps to it Mar 21 18:14:18 walkie, you mean we can use ~\Maps\OSM for new shr ? Mar 21 18:15:45 in new shr when tangogps started will create ~\Maps and by default will save pieces you viewing in ~\Maps\OSM\... Mar 21 18:17:09 you can start tangogps move map around, close tangogps and when you start it again - the places you was looking to already will be shown without need to re-download Mar 21 18:17:32 but only on that zoom level you was looking Mar 21 18:17:59 yes thanks Mar 21 18:18:42 to add several zoomlevels ether move map on several zoomlevels or use 'map download' to add _x zoomlevels to current pozition Mar 21 18:18:46 didn't find sms option , is it possible to let someone see position online ? Mar 21 18:19:05 there is a 'friens' tab Mar 21 18:19:41 via gprs or other internet selected persons can see you on ther tangogps application Mar 21 18:20:47 i never see a sms option, may be it is very new option Mar 21 18:21:11 to access tabs click (i) icon Mar 21 18:21:26 yes Mar 21 18:21:41 walkie: rather very old one. I used it years ago Mar 21 18:23:03 tomcatek, i'm not a person who knows everyting about every application i use, but it is firs time i hear about sms Mar 21 18:25:38 s/but/and/ Mar 21 18:25:39 walkie meant: tomcatek, i'm not a person who knows everyting about every application i use, and it is firs time i hear about sms Mar 21 18:26:21 clever bot :) Mar 21 18:26:28 yep :) Mar 21 18:26:45 walkie, in friend tab how to setting friends? Mar 21 18:28:25 well, never used this friends tab in other than fun mode (everybody fun see everybody fun), i think friends can be selected on tangogps site Mar 21 18:37:32 walkie, what are route option benefits ? Mar 21 18:38:16 well, i think it select fastest route or shortest route Mar 21 18:38:38 or truck, car or smthing like it Mar 21 18:41:44 walkie, how does it find fastest route for example? Mar 21 18:43:45 and what is POI ? Mar 21 18:44:29 Points Of Interest Mar 21 18:45:49 did not find where you see 'benefits' but usually to find route tap on map, ways&routes->get route Mar 21 18:46:22 POI - some places on map you want be shown an identified Mar 21 18:55:50 JaMa: any EST on build server downtime? Mar 21 18:56:32 sicu: ^ Mar 21 19:50:33 I've put shr-testing (March 17th) on my freerunner. The only thing not working is Contacts: list is empty, so it's not getting any of my SIM contacts. Is there a solution for that? Mar 21 19:51:09 samgee: use PISI and copy Your contacts Mar 21 19:51:36 from SIM Mar 21 19:51:56 since opim is not using SIM anymore Mar 21 19:53:07 I see Mar 21 19:53:32 build.shr-project.org seems down, so I'll check that out later then Mar 21 20:17:31 samgee: and no one knows for how long :) Mar 21 20:18:28 ah Mar 21 21:51:23 is there a way to have access X via chroot? Mar 21 21:51:45 e.g. running debian programs via shr Mar 21 21:52:44 via-->in Mar 21 22:00:14 badcloud: sure, just copy your magic cookie Mar 21 22:00:32 badcloud: read more about X access control in "man X" Mar 22 02:21:42 Hi everyone, any news about PISI update yet? I'm tired of Android :( **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 22 03:00:02 2010