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Mar 24 04:17:51 <naquan> Hi everyone, do GPRS and 3G work on latest SHR-u? where can i find the parameters for Moko-connect?
Mar 24 04:20:48 <ndnihil> gprs yes, 3g no
Mar 24 04:21:09 <ndnihil> assuming you're using openmoko hardware
Mar 24 04:23:23 <naquan> ndnihil, thank you.
Mar 24 07:38:28 <naquan> !GTA04
Mar 24 07:38:41 <naquan> !GTA02
Mar 24 08:25:03 <pooze> does anybody know how I can get python-lxml installed on SHR?
Mar 24 08:25:09 <pooze> can't seem to find it in the repositories, but libxml2 is installed already.
Mar 24 08:26:10 <JaMaWrk> pooze: libxml2 is built in OE --without-python
Mar 24 08:27:15 <pooze> JaMaWrk: yes, I know. But I'd like to use it from python, so I need the python bindings for it as well.
Mar 24 08:28:18 <pooze> trying searching for it quite a bit, and I got to this page [ http://tinderbox.openembedded.net/packages/288123/ ] , but not sure how I can actually download the package from this site. Also see it's compiled for x86_64 architecture.
Mar 24 08:37:33 <Heinervdm> JaMaWrk: there is a python-lxml directory with a patch in recipes/python but no python-lxml recipe. very strange. And in shr/import there is no python-lxml either but buildhost build it from there...
Mar 24 08:38:07 <JaMaWrk> Heinervdm: yup noticed it too
Mar 24 08:39:50 <Heinervdm> JaMaWrk: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/commit/?h=shr/import&id=b00a506f2db1fc2b0a1db23f8e51d6c0e4e29363
Mar 24 08:40:07 <JaMaWrk> but there is also some python-pyxml and I'm not sure what exactly lxml is
Mar 24 08:40:11 <JaMaWrk> ahh :/
Mar 24 08:46:42 <Heinervdm> JaMaWrk: the recipe is in nonworking: http://cgit.openembedded.org/cgit.cgi/openembedded/diff/packages/nonworking/python-lxml_2.1.5.bb?h=shr/import&id=b00a506f2db1fc2b0a1db23f8e51d6c0e4e29363
Mar 24 08:48:03 <Heinervdm> and it's still there even in oe.dev
Mar 24 08:54:26 <JaMaWrk> but probably not worth trying to compile and pooze is not speaking with us :)
Mar 24 08:54:45 <pooze> oh, I'm here.
Mar 24 08:54:55 <pooze> not sure what to make of what you just said though.
Mar 24 08:55:27 <pooze> is it so that someone added the package as something that they would like to do in the future, but the actual work of building a working package for it has not been done yet?
Mar 24 08:57:04 <JaMaWrk> pooze: no this more that year old commit moved it to location which says it's probably broken, what is difference between lxml and pyxml?
Mar 24 08:58:18 <pooze> JaMaWrk: I'm not sure exactly what pyxml is, but I think it's an xml library for python not using libxml2
Mar 24 08:58:40 <pooze> I can run 'import xml' in a python-script.
Mar 24 08:58:46 <pooze> I'll try to google it.
Mar 24 09:00:04 <JaMaWrk> pooze: my point is, that pyxml seems to get better support in OE, so if you can use both, then pyxml seems like safer choice
Mar 24 09:00:31 <JaMaWrk> but I'm not python programmer..
Mar 24 09:01:23 <pooze> JaMaWrk: ok, I'll have a look at it and see how much I need to change my application to make it work with pyxml instead of lxml.
Mar 24 09:02:00 <pooze> but otherwise, it might not be such a daunting task to build it myself for SHR?
Mar 24 09:03:23 <JaMaWrk> I don't know what made Mickey to move it to nonworking, but as Mickey is kind of python/OE/.. guru I guess it was really non-trivial issue
Mar 24 09:04:46 <JaMaWrk> but if it's worth the effort and somebody will fix it, then patches are welcome :)
Mar 24 09:04:46 <pooze> ok, I'll keep that in mind.
Mar 24 09:05:02 <pooze> thanks for looking into this for me. :)
Mar 24 09:05:28 * JaMaWrk is looking in broken libsyncml direction now
Mar 24 09:06:00 <pooze> first I'll look into what pyxml is, then I might drop a mail on the community list and ask if someone has a package in some repository somewhere.
Mar 24 09:08:47 <JaMaWrk> pooze: I've started python-lxml build in shr-u, if it compiles fine, you can try version from there..
Mar 24 09:09:58 <pooze> JaMaWrk: oh, that's great.
Mar 24 09:10:17 <pooze> can you give me a sign when you know how it goes?
Mar 24 09:10:24 <JaMaWrk> sure
Mar 24 09:10:31 <pooze> thanks :)
Mar 24 09:10:37 <JaMaWrk> I'll ping you here when it fails to build or arrives to feed
Mar 24 09:44:05 <JaMaWrk> pooze: in feeds, let me know if it's really broken or somehow usable for you
Mar 24 09:46:25 <badcloud> how do you tell qi to boot from flash when you have a bootable usd part.?
Mar 24 09:46:44 <JaMaWrk> badcloud: hold AUX
Mar 24 09:46:51 <badcloud> nand men?
Mar 24 09:46:59 <badcloud> u
Mar 24 09:47:05 <JaMaWrk> no while booting
Mar 24 09:47:14 <badcloud> ah
Mar 24 09:47:18 <badcloud> how far along?
Mar 24 09:47:25 <JaMaWrk> you have to be holding it when red led flashes
Mar 24 09:47:30 <JaMaWrk> and vibrator vibrates
Mar 24 09:47:33 <badcloud> got it
Mar 24 09:47:35 <badcloud> tnx
Mar 24 09:47:36 <JaMaWrk> then you can release it
Mar 24 09:48:10 <badcloud> sounds akward
Mar 24 09:48:21 <badcloud> think I might try uboot sometime
Mar 24 09:49:32 <JaMaWrk> I got used to it.. but it's a bit pain when you have more bootable uSD partitions and want to boot from NAND
Mar 24 09:50:09 <JaMaWrk> but you can also touch /boot/noboot or something like that (see wiki) to make it unbootable for a while
Mar 24 09:53:24 <badcloud> so you just have to create a file called /boot/noboot-GTA0[123]?
Mar 24 09:53:33 <badcloud> with nothing in it??
Mar 24 09:54:34 <JaMaWrk> yes, then that partition will be skipped
Mar 24 09:54:56 <JaMaWrk> I used it to disable 2nd and 3rd uSD partition to jump from 1st uSD to NAND easily
Mar 24 09:55:25 <badcloud> wow, you have 4 distr?
Mar 24 09:56:38 <JaMaWrk> but only 1st used actively.. all reamining are for tests/verifications usually used only after chroot from 1st
Mar 24 09:56:53 <badcloud> I c
Mar 24 09:57:18 <badcloud> while your here, is there anyway to lend chroot the display, for say, GTK apps?
Mar 24 09:57:27 <badcloud> *you're
Mar 24 09:57:41 <JaMaWrk> "lend chroot the display" ?
Mar 24 09:58:09 <badcloud> for example
Mar 24 09:58:17 <badcloud> I want to run a debian prog
Mar 24 09:58:24 <badcloud> that requires the display
Mar 24 09:58:41 <badcloud> I chroot, but it gives me an error when I try running the app
Mar 24 09:58:43 <badcloud> hold on
Mar 24 09:59:25 <badcloud> wait, it actually worked...
Mar 24 09:59:32 <JaMaWrk> badcloud: http://pastebin.ca/1851303
Mar 24 09:59:44 <JaMaWrk> badcloud: this is what I use for chrooting multiple distros
Mar 24 09:59:46 <badcloud> aside from being too large a window for the screen, the app loaded completely
Mar 24 10:01:09 <JaMaWrk> you can use running Xorg if you bind also /var, but when I really want to test something in that chrooted distro I usually share only kernel (stop dbus/xorg/whatever in 1st, chroot, start dbus/xorg/whatever)
Mar 24 10:02:07 <badcloud> wow, sounds slightly out of my legue
Mar 24 10:02:11 <badcloud> league
Mar 24 10:02:32 <badcloud> so far I've used chroot for cli progs only
Mar 24 10:02:42 <badcloud> and not all of them worked properly
Mar 24 10:03:21 <JaMaWrk> badcloud: ie if it expects /proc /sys you have to bind them from that running distro or at least mount them after chroot
Mar 24 10:03:31 <JaMaWrk> otherwise even df cannot work properly
Mar 24 10:03:56 <badcloud> and this script has been working fine for you?
Mar 24 10:04:19 <JaMaWrk> sure, that's why I wrote it :)
Mar 24 10:05:28 <JaMaWrk> but as said before.. it doesn't handle dbus/xorg/whatever restart because ie for "opkg upgrade" test from 2nd distro, I don't need it
Mar 24 10:07:43 <badcloud> umm, ok
Mar 24 10:07:54 <badcloud> (not clear why, but that's fine)
Mar 24 10:08:38 <JaMaWrk> should I explain better? :)
Mar 24 10:08:55 <badcloud> sure, thanks
Mar 24 10:09:11 <JaMaWrk> so what is not clear?
Mar 24 10:09:26 <JaMaWrk> why you need to restart dbus to use it from chrooted env?
Mar 24 10:11:02 <pooze> JaMaWrk: thanks a lot of putting lxml in the feeds.
Mar 24 10:11:14 <pooze> I installed it, and it's working for me.
Mar 24 10:11:19 <pooze> I just needed to do one thing.
Mar 24 10:12:09 <pooze> the package was installed at /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/lxml-2.1.5-py2.6-linux-x86_64.egg/lxml
Mar 24 10:12:12 <badcloud> JaMaWrk: that kinda threw me off, yeah. and when do you restart dbus? before, after chroot, or both?
Mar 24 10:12:35 <pooze> so I made a symbolic link 'lxml' in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages so I could refer to the package by that name.
Mar 24 10:13:24 <JaMaWrk> badcloud: stop before chroot, chroot, start from chroot
Mar 24 10:13:44 <JaMaWrk> badcloud: and the same for ie fso daemons using dbus (when you need to check them in chroot)
Mar 24 10:14:10 <badcloud> ah
Mar 24 10:14:15 <badcloud> finally got it
Mar 24 10:14:20 <badcloud> thanks
Mar 24 10:15:50 <badcloud> how is it possible then that I ran a gtk app from chroot without stopping/starting xorg again?
Mar 24 10:16:33 <badcloud> or is stopping starting xorg only when you want to view the new mobile environment (e.g. gnome on h1)
Mar 24 10:19:37 <JaMaWrk> it's expecting to find some files in /var, so you can uncoment that part of chroot, but it's a bit dangerous as if you chroot to completely different distro /var layout can be slightly different
Mar 24 10:20:25 <badcloud> I see
Mar 24 10:20:29 <badcloud> cool stuff
Mar 24 10:20:35 <JaMaWrk> and if you overwrite something there and exit chroot you can return to some inconsistent state in your 1st distro (that's why rather restart xorg instead of "sharing" it)
Mar 24 10:20:47 <JaMaWrk> but for normal app you don't even need to chroot to runn it
Mar 24 10:21:26 <JaMaWrk> set LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/media/sdcard1/usr/lib /media/sdcard1/usr/bin/app can be enough
Mar 24 10:26:45 <badcloud> and then what do I need to restart for that to take effect?
Mar 24 10:27:46 <JaMaWrk> or the later case nothing.. it will start app directly in your env
Mar 24 10:28:04 <JaMaWrk> for the fixt (just Xorg dbus/hal/xorg)
Mar 24 10:28:11 <JaMaWrk> s/fixt/first/
Mar 24 10:28:11 <apt> JaMaWrk meant: for the first (just Xorg dbus/hal/xorg)
Mar 24 10:29:59 <badcloud> wow
Mar 24 10:30:04 <badcloud> that worked
Mar 24 12:01:01 <TomaszD> cupcake seems to be working pretty good
Mar 24 12:06:05 <dns53> on the gta2 ? it's been ages since i tried it
Mar 24 12:08:50 <methril_work> morning
Mar 24 12:14:51 <TomaszD> dns53, yes. What do you use on the gta02?
Mar 24 12:28:38 <dns53> shr, though i was just using one of the qtopia based distro's
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Mar 24 21:31:30 <Gabrys> so how far is SHR-testing now?
Mar 24 21:31:45 <Gabrys> do we have the volume-sliders when calling?
Mar 24 21:33:28 <badcloud> Gabrys: yeah, but they don't seem to stick between calls
Mar 24 21:33:36 <badcloud> I just edit the alsa states
Mar 24 21:33:41 <badcloud> values 6 and 48 I think
Mar 24 21:44:01 <emsyr> can't see contact's name when calling (SHR-testing)
Mar 24 21:44:13 <emsyr> is there a workaround?
Mar 24 22:31:58 <badcloud> anyone know why mplayer might be giving me Alignment trap errors?
Mar 24 22:32:44 <badcloud> tried killing the process, noting
Mar 24 22:32:47 <badcloud> restarted x
Mar 24 22:32:50 <badcloud> nothing
Mar 24 22:38:56 <DocScrutinizer>  ~fr-audio
Mar 24 22:38:56 <apt> fr-audio is, like, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_1973_audio_subsystem
Mar 24 22:41:09 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud: aiui allignment traps are last catch for a borked binary, usually caused by faulty compiler options or poor sourcecode (var alignment)
Mar 24 22:43:30 <badcloud> DocScrutinizer: would it help to post a pastebin link of dmesg?
Mar 24 22:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> probably not.
Mar 24 22:43:55 <badcloud> ah
Mar 24 22:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> I suggest rising the topic in *cdevel, and particularly ask mrmoku
Mar 24 22:45:19 <DocScrutinizer> I'd expect some flaw in the bb receipe for mplayer - but that's wild guessing of a noob here
Mar 24 22:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> badcloud: if it's a problem with the mplayer binary, then everybody easily can reproduce
Mar 24 22:47:31 <badcloud> I'll try it again
Mar 24 22:47:35 <badcloud> might have to do with aoss
Mar 24 22:47:42 <badcloud> I ran it 'aoss mplayer'
Mar 24 22:48:07 <badcloud> since I got no sound without it
Mar 24 22:48:24 <badcloud> but I could try using alsa output instead to see if that works
Mar 24 22:52:30 <badcloud> btw, what's Bad block table found at page 131008, version 0x01?
Mar 24 22:54:41 <badcloud> I think the problem is in aoss
Mar 24 23:12:44 <TomaszD> hmm, MeeGo on the FreeRunner? food for thought
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Mar 25 01:53:54 <Azuvix> xchat is supposed to be available for SHR, right?
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Mar 25 02:06:15 <RamsesFSFE> hi all
Mar 25 02:06:45 <RamsesFSFE> my SHR is going nuts. It's sending me SMSes again and again. Is this a bug?
Mar 25 02:13:48 <Azuvix> I've heard about it, but I don't know if there's a solution.
Mar 25 02:22:56 <Azuvix> I'm kinda stumped.
Mar 25 02:51:01 <Azuvix> Stupid question, asked a billion times... Wesnoth on SHR... How's it done?
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