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Apr 12 12:03:07 <razor_24> hi... i try to compile farsight2 on openmoko but i get depency fault on gstreamer-plugins-base "configure: error: no gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10 >= 0.10.23 (GStreamer Base Plug-ins Library) found"
Apr 12 12:05:40 <razor_24> plugins base are installed and GST_BASE, GST_CHECK are positive
Apr 12 12:10:06 <razor_24> any ideeas??
Apr 12 12:22:04 <razor_24> hi
Apr 12 12:37:58 <razor_24> ...
Apr 12 14:29:42 <AlexAnteMachina> wow... there really is #openmoko!
Apr 12 14:30:11 <AlexAnteMachina> Hi all!
Apr 12 14:31:13 <AlexAnteMachina> I  hope this is the right channel to ask questions concerning the Freerunner
Apr 12 14:31:23 <mjr> yes
Apr 12 14:31:31 <AlexAnteMachina> \o/
Apr 12 14:32:13 <AlexAnteMachina> I couldnt find any useful and up-to-date review about it. 
Apr 12 14:32:43 <AlexAnteMachina> mjr, I'm thinking about buying a Freerunner
Apr 12 14:33:18 <AlexAnteMachina> Isn't there a 3.gen device?
Apr 12 14:33:35 <razor_24> no
Apr 12 14:33:56 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: theres no open 3g hardware
Apr 12 14:34:09 <AlexAnteMachina> okay. i know.
Apr 12 14:34:12 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: what do you want to do with those devices
Apr 12 14:34:27 <AlexAnteMachina> with a freerunner?
Apr 12 14:34:33 <razor_24> yes
Apr 12 14:34:36 <AlexAnteMachina> humm... using it as a smartphone!?
Apr 12 14:34:55 <AlexAnteMachina> Isnt Freerunner a Smartphone!?!?
Apr 12 14:35:05 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: it is
Apr 12 14:36:01 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: OM os is a dont have many features...
Apr 12 14:36:23 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: - is a
Apr 12 14:36:50 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: if you only want a smartphone other devices are better and extreamly faster
Apr 12 14:36:52 <AlexAnteMachina> well, arent there several OS available for Freerunner?
Apr 12 14:37:18 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: are you feel able to install another os
Apr 12 14:37:26 <AlexAnteMachina> yep.
Apr 12 14:37:52 <AlexAnteMachina> in case there is a how-to I will be able.
Apr 12 14:38:07 <razor_24> so you can install android, or debian, and many other... debien has many features ... android little fewer
Apr 12 14:38:20 <AlexAnteMachina> I'd prefer debian.
Apr 12 14:38:57 <razor_24> then you need a 4 GB micro SD card
Apr 12 14:39:04 <AlexAnteMachina> y?
Apr 12 14:39:11 <razor_24> but be warned ... is very slow
Apr 12 14:39:30 <AlexAnteMachina> humm... define "very slow"
Apr 12 14:40:08 <razor_24> terminal typing is ok ... start an application 20 seconds and more
Apr 12 14:40:43 <razor_24> organizer and so on
Apr 12 14:40:46 <razor_24> i mean
Apr 12 14:43:05 <AlexAnteMachina> 20 seconds!?
Apr 12 14:43:19 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: debian has no energy saving, so uptime from moko is 5-6 houers or less
Apr 12 14:43:39 <AlexAnteMachina> o_O
Apr 12 14:46:20 <AlexAnteMachina> how can it be THAT SLOW??
Apr 12 14:50:40 <AlexAnteMachina> hey Bryanstein 
Apr 12 14:50:47 <AlexAnteMachina> o/
Apr 12 14:52:31 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: http://www.vimeo.com/1366042?pg=embed&sec=1366042 heres a video... i hate iphone, is no comparision but you can see the original os. debian is slower but you can use more software
Apr 12 14:54:32 <razor_24> openmoko is good for software development, embedded development and all who wants to play arround with linux on small devices :D.... but i think is not so good as a phone
Apr 12 15:08:25 <AlexAnteMachina> razor_24, well, these reviews are about 2 years old.
Apr 12 15:09:11 <AlexAnteMachina> All the Problems mentioned there could easily be solved during that time.
Apr 12 15:10:15 <AlexAnteMachina> Or is it still working that bad?
Apr 12 15:15:05 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: i dont know if the latest Om os is much better (om 2009), i've seen on linux day that android is working goot so far... so you can use but other phone are faster if you only want a phone
Apr 12 15:40:21 <AlexAnteMachina> razor_24, I love the idea of free hardware and software.
Apr 12 15:42:37 <AlexAnteMachina> and because there are only old reviews I got no idea how it works now after 2 years of development.
Apr 12 15:47:25 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: me too... you can use the openmoko as phone. the advantage is you can use nearly every software with this phone. but in my opinion it is too slow. open hardware is very young and nearly nobody produce it... i hope we get more (good) hardware next time. i use htc magic... thats an android phone . android is open and there are many developers. openmoko i use for developing on linux embedded
Apr 12 15:47:25 <razor_24> .
Apr 12 15:48:28 <razor_24> AlexAnteMachina: me too... you can use the openmoko as phone. the advantage is you can use nearly every software with this phone. but in my opinion it is too slow. open hardware is very young and nearly nobody produce it... i hope we get more (good) hardware next time. i use htc magic... thats an android phone . android is open and there are many developers. openmoko i use for developing on linux embedded
Apr 12 15:50:41 <AlexAnteMachina> I've seen interesting demos made by raster.
Apr 12 15:51:17 <AlexAnteMachina> wow.... 10 to 6... need to go!
Apr 12 15:51:19 <AlexAnteMachina> by all!
Apr 12 15:51:24 <razor_24> its your choice
Apr 12 15:51:25 <razor_24> bb
Apr 13 02:10:59 <Slaxxed> april 13 planet topic hackable 1  is in what language?
Apr 13 02:11:21 <Slaxxed> Už před nějakou dobou jsem se rozhodl, že otestuju distribuci Hackable:1. Musím se 
Apr 13 02:11:50 <Slaxxed> chec?
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