**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 01 02:59:56 2010
May 01 03:25:44 <d1b> hi guys does the APRIL unstable shr work for gsm ?
May 01 03:25:49 <d1b> it doesn't seem to be working for me 
May 01 04:14:43 <PaulFertser> d1b: can you update to the latest? There was a bug in fsogsmd but it should be fixed wrt calling.
May 01 04:14:54 <d1b> PaulFertser: which is the latest?
May 01 04:14:56 <d1b> unstable?
May 01 04:15:10 <PaulFertser> d1b: yes, you should be able to opkg update + upgrade.
May 01 04:15:27 <d1b> so i should download unstable or should i update testing?
May 01 04:15:54 <d1b> like i went back to the feb version - any reason to upgrade?
May 01 04:16:03 <PaulFertser> d1b: you say "it doesn't seem to be working" and "APRIL unstable shr", so i deduce you already have shr-u installed.
May 01 04:16:26 <d1b> sorry brain foo
May 01 04:16:38 <d1b> i meant testing
May 01 04:17:03 <PaulFertser> d1b: well, if you need gprs, then current shr-u won't work for you, there's a bug that'll be fixed today/tomorrow. Other than that, fsogsmd is damn nice, fast and reliable.
May 01 04:17:22 <d1b> i mean in terms of talking.
May 01 04:17:30 <d1b>  gsm didn't come up on the april testing
May 01 04:17:36 <PaulFertser> d1b: and no idea about testing here, sorry. I personally use debian with FSO from git :p
May 01 04:17:37 <d1b> and i find the feb one to be faster ...
May 01 04:17:46 <d1b> PaulFertser: and for the front end ?
May 01 04:18:02 <PaulFertser> d1b: and for the frontend i currently use http://wiki.github.com/paulfertser/fso-el/
May 01 04:18:08 <PaulFertser> ^^^ shameless plug
May 01 04:18:42 <d1b> screenshot?
May 01 04:18:48 <d1b> oh god no not emacs
May 01 04:18:56 <d1b> no no no no no 
May 01 04:19:10 <PaulFertser> shr apps (some january version i guess) are also available
May 01 04:19:33 <d1b> yeah i haven't upgrade my debian in ages tho
May 01 04:19:44 <d1b> it works ... sort of ;P - alsa states are problematic etc.
May 01 04:20:26 <PaulFertser> d1b: mind you, i use it as my only every-day phone, and to me it seems like emacs is the best smartphone environment ever, i was able to read manuals, to program, to edit configs, to start scripts, to use irc etc in an almost comfortable way - nothing i experienced before.
May 01 04:20:57 <d1b> sure
May 01 04:21:01 <d1b> but i don't want that exactly
May 01 04:21:10 <d1b> i want to get / answer calls with volume changing settings / speaker etc.
May 01 04:22:54 <PaulFertser> Ah, volume changing settings is something i lack (but will probably implement too). I lived for 1.5 years without those (changing volume once with alsamixer and saving the result), so that's a non-issue for me :)
May 01 04:23:21 <d1b> lol
May 01 04:23:31 <d1b> i don't get how alsamixer works really with the moko
May 01 04:23:36 <d1b> that was always a mystery to me 
May 01 04:24:04 <luke-jr> I'd want the phone capability invisible to my handheld. :p
May 01 04:24:14 <luke-jr> control it completely from the BT headset
May 01 04:24:41 <PaulFertser> d1b: have you actually tried looking at the "more pretty" annotated wolfson routing diagram?
May 01 04:24:42 <luke-jr> except maybe dialing
May 01 04:24:46 <luke-jr> use a small shell script for that
May 01 04:26:00 <PaulFertser> luke-jr: i think if the bt headset is connected like a regular input device (i think working bluetoothd + uinput kernel module should be enough for that) you can bind headset keys to any actions in emacs ~easily.
May 01 04:26:11 <d1b> PaulFertser: haaha no it is still a bit mm
May 01 04:26:23 <luke-jr> PaulFertser: emacs isn't bg tho
May 01 04:26:24 <d1b> yeah i agree tho - only need a small interface on debian to do most of it 
May 01 04:26:29 <d1b> but shr from feb looks fine 
May 01 04:26:30 <luke-jr> also, mine has 1 button
May 01 04:26:36 <luke-jr> so it'd need to be speech recog
May 01 04:27:18 <luke-jr> map the button to "Mute" :)
May 01 04:27:45 <luke-jr> so I can give voice cmds without the callee hearing me
May 01 04:28:29 <PaulFertser> luke-jr: you can run emacs in bg and switch to it whenever you want to view the calls log or type a message etc. As the speech recognition -- i'm afraid it'll be too unreliable, i think even reputable vendors never managed to get that to work, or did they?
May 01 04:28:55 * luke-jr ponders if the handheld/phone could possibly be made to speech recog the entire call and display a real-time transcript...
May 01 04:29:16 <luke-jr> PaulFertser: speech recog works ok if you define grammars :)
May 01 04:29:23 <luke-jr> grammars as in, what input is valid
May 01 04:29:32 <luke-jr> transcript would admittedly be inaccurate
May 01 04:29:46 <luke-jr> but it could at least pull out phone numbers and such
May 01 04:29:58 <luke-jr> so I can then say "dial the number you just heard"
May 01 04:31:14 <PaulFertser> Hm, i think that can be an interesting research project (especially given absence of the hardware floating point support in our devices) but certainly not something one can code in a spare weekend for his amusement.
May 01 04:31:29 <luke-jr> no? :)
May 01 04:31:42 <luke-jr> just need a reliable speech recog engine I think
May 01 04:31:56 <luke-jr> a weekend would be enough to setup grammars and scripts
May 01 04:32:59 <PaulFertser> Then you're welcome to try to find one ;)
May 01 04:33:14 <luke-jr> I don't have a phone. What's in it for me? :p
May 01 04:33:45 <PaulFertser> luke-jr: what do you use for hacking then?
May 01 04:33:49 <luke-jr> if I get a proof-of-concept working on my desktop box, you gonna buy me a Freerunner to port it to? :p
May 01 04:33:56 <luke-jr> PaulFertser: my desktop machine
May 01 04:36:35 <PaulFertser> luke-jr: i'm afraid no, sorry. And i'm personally not keen on imprecise input methods anyway, so you gotta find some other sponsor :)
May 01 04:50:07 <tim_abell> o crap it's got light and i'm still coding
May 01 04:52:06 <tim_abell> http://github.com/timabell/omnewrotate
May 01 04:52:13 <tim_abell> going well though
May 01 05:02:55 <PaulFertser> woohoo cool
May 01 05:02:56 <PaulFertser> :)
May 01 05:03:25 <tim_abell> http://www.timwise.co.uk/om/omnewrotate_0.5.7+svnrLOCAL-r0.4_armv4t.ipk
May 01 05:03:32 <tim_abell> duuuuuuude, that shit actually works :D
May 01 05:03:49 <tim_abell> ok so it took 8 hrs, and i've had no sleep
May 01 05:03:53 <tim_abell> and it's light outside again
May 01 05:04:00 <tim_abell> but damn that feels good
May 01 05:04:42 <tim_abell> i just pushed my master branch up
May 01 05:04:53 <tim_abell> the original project is on svn (blergh)
May 01 05:05:30 <tim_abell> git diff --shortstat remotes/trunk
May 01 05:05:30 <tim_abell>  7 files changed, 48 insertions(+), 56 deletions(-)
May 01 05:05:41 <tim_abell> that's about an hour and a half per line
May 01 05:06:27 <tim_abell> anyone fancy bitbaking it? i'm shattered
May 01 05:06:43 <tim_abell> and i think it would be awesome to get a working autorotate into shr
May 01 05:07:03 <tim_abell> well, i mean well behaved, the existing one worked, after a fashion
May 01 05:07:10 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: Oh yeah, i know that feeling :)
May 01 05:07:12 <tim_abell> it just drove people nuts
May 01 05:07:34 <tim_abell> the bitbake is already there, so it would only need pointing at my git tree
May 01 05:07:52 <tim_abell> i don't think i needed to change bitbake in the end, other than overriding the path
May 01 05:08:16 <tim_abell> though i saw a mention of trunk/ which would probably need changing
May 01 05:12:49 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i think JaMa can do that for you if he's already awake.
May 01 05:13:11 <tim_abell> i'm composing a mail to the lists, then i'm off to beddies :)
May 01 05:14:21 <tim_abell> done
May 01 05:14:24 <tim_abell> i'm off to hit the hay
May 01 05:14:30 <tim_abell> 7 hrs overdue
May 01 05:15:38 <tim_abell> laters
May 01 05:15:52 <tim_abell> me and my rotating phonen are off to bed
May 01 06:28:01 <JaMa> moin, what?
May 01 06:28:02 <JaMa> :)
May 01 06:34:52 <JaMa> ah, read the backlog
May 01 06:35:20 <JaMa> so rui's svn repo for omnewrotate is officially dead and replaced with tim's git?
May 01 06:49:22 <vanous123> JaMa: can you close any app by the sliding bar?
May 01 06:51:47 <JaMa> mmt trying with yesterday's e
May 01 06:52:33 <vanous123> k
May 01 06:53:16 <JaMa> first I had to restart shr_elm_softkey (it was running, but didn't slide out..)
May 01 06:58:06 <JaMa> grr.. opkg upgraded from gcc-4.5 feeds accidentaly..
May 01 07:13:14 <JaMa> vanous123: and no after restart I still cannot <- X -> :/
May 01 07:14:20 <JaMa> vanous123: do you have "Launcher setting" in e17 settings? :/
May 01 07:14:44 <JaMa> vanous123: it was maybe moved or renamed (with move to separate module), but cannot find it now
May 01 07:15:26 <JaMa> vanous123: ah nvm, found it
May 01 07:15:48 <JaMa> why the hell did i click Czech language in first wizard :)
May 01 07:32:26 <vanous123> JaMa: i am back
May 01 07:33:11 <vanous123> launcher settings? that's @ Home, or?
May 01 07:34:06 <JaMa> yeah..
May 01 07:34:20 <JaMa> mmt need to umount /tmp :/
May 01 07:37:15 <vanous123> hmm, tried omnewrotate and got wsod ob suspend while rotated...
May 01 07:37:42 * vanous123 really thinks that on suspend it needs to rotate back first, then suspend...
May 01 09:03:31 <badcloud> I must have asked this before, but is there a 'delete all sms'es' button in shr-t?
May 01 09:37:23 <markuman> someone is running android 1.5 from http://cfdigital.com/android/? anyone knows how to get the market?
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