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May 19 09:29:08 <quitte> hi. where do i find the latest kernel sources?
May 19 09:30:08 <JaMa> git.openmoko.org
May 19 09:31:07 <quitte> ik found it. read somewhere that it wasn't active anymore. i guess that isn't true. is it too early for 2.6.34, yet?
May 19 09:35:58 <JaMa> it depends what you want to do with those sources :)
May 19 09:36:27 <JaMa> SHR has it already built and it's usable (with correct touchscreen calibration), but ie it failed to resume for me
May 19 09:36:59 <quitte> first of all i need sanitized kernel headers to build a uclibc toolchain - then i want to get glamo-dri working this weekend.
May 19 09:37:22 <quitte> for normal phone functionality ill stick with qtmokko for now
May 19 09:37:48 <JaMa> quitte: for Weiss's gdrm patches check also git.bitwiz.org.uk/ gdrm branches, but they are not for .34 yet
May 19 09:42:29 <quitte> the best source for information about optimizing the toolchain is probably gentoo?
May 19 09:44:33 <JaMa> if you mean optimizing CFLAGS/LDFLAGS etc then yes for desktop, but for embedded I guess that OE people have more experience with toolchains for ARM and uclibc builds
May 19 09:46:29 <quitte> ok i'll bug them then. the two things i was wondering most about are what thumb is and what it does and what happens when i build gcc with --enable-interwork
May 19 09:46:57 <quitte> thanks!
May 19 10:38:45 <JaMa> quitte: thumb is mixing of 16b and 32b instructions in same binary (smaller binary for parts where you don't need asm instructions available only in non-thumb mode) and you can find plenty of descriptions with google
May 19 10:39:35 <JaMa> quitte: it's a bit error prone (especially for armv4t), but by default enabled for most arm platforms in OE and disabled only per package in cases where it's known to be broken
May 19 13:18:38 <Fox_Muldr> are there any special chars allowed within phone numbers and still get a working number to name resolving in latest shr-u? as soon as i just enter a space into the unmber it doesn't work anymore :/
May 19 14:00:53 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: TAsn should know
May 19 14:01:16 <PaulFertser> Fox_Muldr: also libphone-utils source ;)
May 19 14:01:20 <TAsn> PaulFertser, :P
May 19 14:01:24 <TAsn> I prefer the second option :)
May 19 14:01:48 <TAsn> Hm... why would you want to enter a space into the number anyway?
May 19 14:02:07 <TAsn> Anyhow, normalization should remove trailing stuff (after #)
May 19 14:02:11 <PaulFertser> Why would you want to use non-international format for the numbers anyway? ;)
May 19 14:02:12 <TAsn> hm.. let me verify, sec.
May 19 14:02:23 <TAsn> PaulFertser, because people are stupid.
May 19 14:02:31 <TAsn> like a lot of hacks :P
May 19 14:02:37 <PaulFertser> TAsn: it was a joke, i didn't mean to discuss it one more time :)
May 19 14:02:41 <TAsn> :)
May 19 14:02:47 <TAsn> I know it was a joke.
May 19 14:03:29 <TAsn> Fox_Muldr, ok, after checking the sources:
May 19 14:03:44 <TAsn> Fox_Muldr, " -()" all should be stripped
May 19 14:03:52 <TAsn> (yes, there's a space there!)
May 19 14:03:55 <TAsn> So something is wrong.
May 19 14:04:45 <yamitenshi> Hi
May 19 14:04:57 <TAsn> Fox_Muldr, if you can
May 19 14:05:07 <Fox_Muldr> hmm ok
May 19 14:05:20 <TAsn> Fox_Muldr, send me more info about the number you tried with, and your /etc/phone-utils.conf or something similar :P
May 19 14:06:01 <Fox_Muldr> ok
May 19 14:06:18 <yamitenshi> Small problem here... I'm using the latest version of SHR Testing, and it works fine, except that when I try to type a message, the input field doesn't respond to the keyboard (I tap the input field, the keyboard comes up nicely, but when I press keys on the keyboard, noting happens)
May 19 14:07:39 <TAsn> Fox_Muldr, my email is:
May 19 14:07:46 <TAsn>  tom #@$@#%$@#%!@#$@#$@#$@#%$@#$%$#^$^F&%$P&$ stosb.com
May 19 14:07:47 <TAsn> :P
May 19 14:07:54 <TAsn> send me info so i'll remember :P
May 19 14:07:59 <TAsn> ciao.
May 19 14:09:46 <Fox_Muldr> ehm now i just have decrypt your email i think :)
May 19 14:10:48 <Fox_Muldr> maybe i forst try the easiest version i can think of
May 19 14:11:38 <yamitenshi> How about replacing the #@$#%$ etc. with an @ ? :P
May 19 14:11:56 <Fox_Muldr> that is the easiest version i can think of so i tried this ;)
May 19 14:12:42 <yamitenshi> Makes me wonder... what's the hardest version you can think of? :P
May 19 14:13:20 <Fox_Muldr> try to interpret something into #@%§#§... ;)
May 19 14:14:36 <yamitenshi> heheh, that would be difficult :P Maybe brute-forcing it would be faster 0=)
May 19 14:45:12 <yamitenshi> Hmm... By the way, does anybody know how usable Hackable:1 is?
May 19 14:46:41 <nullix> it is hackable...
May 19 14:49:58 <yamitenshi> Which is in itself a good point, but I was wondering if it would be possible to use my FR as my daily-use phone with Hackable:1 installed
May 19 15:35:13 <TomaszD> yamitenshi, only two reasonable daily use systems for the freerunner are: android and qtmoko
May 19 15:35:18 <TomaszD> but that's my opinion
May 19 15:39:32 <yamitenshi> SHR seemed okay enough, beside the messages thing
May 19 15:40:18 <TomaszD> it's not okay enough, the UI is horrid
May 19 15:46:32 <yamitenshi> Well, there's an issue with some window sizes, but otherwise the UI seemed fine to me
May 19 15:47:08 <yamitenshi> and I must admit, it's a bit slow from time to time...
May 19 15:47:23 <TomaszD> that's what's really bad, yeah
May 19 15:47:46 <TomaszD> does anyone know how to fix the extreme heat issue when there's no sd card inserted?
May 19 15:47:57 <yamitenshi> liquid nitrogen cooler?
May 19 15:48:10 <TomaszD> that would be a workaround
May 19 15:48:16 <TomaszD> I need this on a bike
May 19 15:48:18 <TomaszD> ;)
May 19 15:48:22 <yamitenshi> but admit, it would be awesome :P
May 19 15:48:29 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: I would assume it's due to a short.
May 19 15:48:48 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: I would simply insert a SD card. Or some bit of plastic about the same size
May 19 15:48:52 <yamitenshi> on a more serious note, I believe I read something about that on the wiki a long time ago...
May 19 15:49:27 <TomaszD> alright alright, I'll buy and sd card..
May 19 15:49:37 <TomaszD> I need it for offline maps anyway
May 19 15:49:42 <yamitenshi> lol
May 19 15:50:22 <TomaszD> I suppose absolute lack of networking on the newest shr-testing is also caused by this issue
May 19 15:50:36 <TomaszD> wifi doesn't want to be brought up
May 19 15:51:36 <yamitenshi> Have you tried a different network manager? Mokonnect doesn't seem to work, but maybe another one will
May 19 15:51:55 <TomaszD> I can't get another network manager, even usb networking fails
May 19 15:52:05 <yamitenshi> GPRS? worked for me
May 19 15:52:14 <yamitenshi> Mofi was recommended by the SHR wiki IIRC
May 19 15:52:33 <TomaszD> hmm, so why do they include something that doesn't work instead of something they recommend
May 19 15:53:20 <SpeedEvil> TomaszD: A little bit of cardboard is fine too.
May 19 15:53:59 <yamitenshi> That's something I'll be wondering about for the rest of my life...
May 19 15:54:39 <yamitenshi> Maybe because it also "supports" other types of networking, other than just WiFi?
May 19 15:54:39 <TomaszD> I'll have to pry my joggler open and take out the microsd from there to see if it helps at all
May 19 15:55:29 <yamitenshi> I remember Mokonnect actually got my GPRS working, so it can't be all bad :P
May 19 15:56:42 <JaMa> TomaszD: iliwi is new default network manager 
May 19 15:57:00 <JaMa> TomaszD: http://www.bitwiz.org.uk/s/2010/02/the-mysterious-missing-milliamps.html
May 19 15:58:26 <TomaszD> ahhh
May 19 15:58:29 <TomaszD> makes sense
May 19 15:58:32 <TomaszD> thanks JaMa 
May 19 16:05:51 <Fox_Muldr> when i want the alarm sound of ffalarm to be louder but don't want to change the overall volume do i have to make the wave file louder or is there a setting how loud ffalarm is? at the moment it is so quiet that it is unuseable as a daily aralm clock.
May 19 16:06:27 <Heinervdm> Fox_Muldr: it's getting louder with the time
May 19 16:06:27 <Fox_Muldr> alarm clock i meant :)
May 19 16:06:57 <Fox_Muldr> hmm realy? maybe i didn't wait long enough
May 19 16:07:15 <Fox_Muldr> but could the initial volume be set somewhere?
May 19 16:07:25 <Heinervdm> probably, it starts with really low volume
May 19 16:07:33 <Heinervdm> don't know
May 19 16:07:52 <SpeedEvil> Fox_Muldr: Have you complained on the bugtracker?
May 19 16:08:15 <Fox_Muldr> no, i just wanted to ask if i could change this behaviour :)
May 19 16:09:15 <SpeedEvil> enhancement request on bugtracker.
May 19 16:09:20 <SpeedEvil> Or patch.
May 19 16:09:43 <TomaszD> so should I use the unstable series or testing, illume or illume2?
May 19 16:09:53 <Fox_Muldr> ok, if there is no such option within ffalarm than i will add a ticket
May 19 16:10:05 <TomaszD> I just need tangogps, gps and wifi, nothing else
May 19 16:10:18 <Heinervdm> Fox_Muldr: please add the ticket upstream in ffalarms bugtracker
May 19 16:12:45 <Fox_Muldr> is it at projects.openmoko.org?
May 19 16:13:33 <Heinervdm> http://ffalarms.projects.openmoko.org/
May 19 16:13:39 <Fox_Muldr> ok tnx
May 19 16:46:53 <paulk_> Hi! How can I set up the "qwerty" button on om 2008.12's illume ? (I'm downloaded eet)
May 19 16:49:47 <gena2x> paulk_: Download something current not ancient, shr or qtmoko.
May 19 16:49:59 <yamitenshi> I was just about to say the same :P
May 19 16:50:18 <paulk_> I've also Hackable:1 as my main OS on my FR
May 19 16:50:41 <yamitenshi> That's already a lot better than Om 2008.x
May 19 16:51:02 <gena2x> H:1 is nice too.
May 19 16:51:04 <paulk_> Anyway, I'd like the qwerty button on Om 2008.12
May 19 16:52:04 <yamitenshi> if you really insist on using om 2008.12, you'd have to install illume-config and change something... It's all explained on the wiki
May 19 16:52:35 <paulk_>  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Toggle ?
May 19 16:53:02 <yamitenshi> paulk_: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Keyboard_Debate#How_to_have_a_toggle_button_to_make_the_keyboard_appear.2Fdisappear_.3F
May 19 16:54:27 <yamitenshi> Coincidentally, I just came across that today when trying to find out which keyboard I might like best :P
May 19 17:00:36 <paulk_> It works \o/
May 19 17:24:02 <shaz123>  My OE build gets stuck at : NOTE: Staging package found, using it for /home/shaz/moko/shr-unstable/openembedded/recipes/glib-2.0/glib-2.0_2.24.0.bb.
May 19 17:24:09 <shaz123> How long should I wait
May 19 17:35:51 <shazkhan> still waiting ...
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