**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 20 02:59:56 2010
Jun 20 08:02:02 <shurdeek> hello, I have SHR unstable and was wondering if I can rotate the terminal, either manually or via accelerometer.
Jun 20 08:07:24 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: xrandr -o
Jun 20 08:07:32 <shurdeek> oh hi paul
Jun 20 08:07:33 <shurdeek> lemme try
Jun 20 08:07:35 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: hey :)
Jun 20 08:10:18 <shurdeek> ok that works but touchscreen controls are screwed up, is there a way around that? It's not critical
Jun 20 08:14:34 <PaulFertser> shurdeek: probably JaMa knows
Jun 20 09:33:26 <xxtjaxx> hey anybdy try to use kismet with a runner?
Jun 20 09:34:15 <PaulFertser> xxtjaxx: no monitor mode
Jun 20 09:36:44 <xxtjaxx> yeah noticed that sort of when I just set iwconfig eth1 mode monitor why is that?
Jun 20 09:36:56 <xxtjaxx> was that not ment to be done or just left out?
Jun 20 09:37:53 <SpeedEvil> The firmware in the wifi card does not support monitor mode AIUI
Jun 20 09:38:13 <xxtjaxx> damn  >.>
Jun 20 09:38:19 <gena2x> hm... is it possible to load different firmware?
Jun 20 09:38:24 <xxtjaxx> would have been just PERFECT ^^ 
Jun 20 09:38:42 <gena2x>  (just interesting)
Jun 20 09:39:27 <SpeedEvil> gena2x: In principle, yes, as I understand it. In practice, no.
Jun 20 09:40:09 <SpeedEvil> you can use external wifi of course
Jun 20 09:40:26 <xxtjaxx> how though?
Jun 20 09:42:14 <SpeedEvil> plug in an external wifi thingy
Jun 20 12:25:14 * CVirus is dying
Jun 20 12:25:17 <CVirus> 110F here
Jun 20 12:25:31 <CVirus> 43C
Jun 20 12:33:13 <SpeedEvil> Ow.
Jun 20 12:33:22 <SpeedEvil> It's warm here - around 20C
Jun 20 12:33:31 <SpeedEvil> doesn't get much hotter - scotland.
Jun 20 12:35:25 <PaulFertser> It's shitty here -- around non-free rating according to "Freedom House". Doesn't get much better -- russia
Jun 20 12:36:32 <CVirus> lol
Jun 20 12:39:39 <PaulFertser> And it's gloomy here -- no nice girls interested in free software. And no improvements seen lately, though it's universal, i'm afraid.
Jun 20 12:41:14 <CVirus> PaulFertser: indeed it is universal
Jun 20 12:41:23 <CVirus> PaulFertser: we have a non-free rating here as well
Jun 20 12:41:25 <CVirus> Egypt
Jun 20 12:41:57 <SpeedEvil> We do much better on freedom, but our government is working hard on that.
Jun 20 12:43:07 <CVirus> 2 police officers killed an innocent guy a few days ago
Jun 20 12:43:13 <CVirus> they beat him to death in the street
Jun 20 12:43:27 <CVirus> and claimed later that he's an outlaw
Jun 20 12:44:09 <PaulFertser> :/
Jun 20 12:44:16 <PaulFertser> Sick sad world
Jun 20 12:44:34 <CVirus> indeed
Jun 20 12:44:46 * PaulFertser should now pretend he's a teen and go download some Daria series
Jun 20 12:45:11 <CVirus> heh
Jun 20 12:45:43 <PaulFertser> Or probably go for some road cycling -- ~25C is ok.
Jun 20 12:45:54 <CVirus> LUCKY YOU :@
Jun 20 12:46:06 <CVirus> I can't even go out for a smoke
Jun 20 12:46:41 <PaulFertser> CVirus: consider that as an opportunity to quit ;)
Jun 20 12:46:55 <CVirus> hehe
Jun 20 12:47:05 <JaMa> PaulFertser: here it's gloomy too this weekend :/
Jun 20 12:47:30 <PaulFertser> JaMa: what's wrong?
Jun 20 12:47:40 <JaMa> PaulFertser: two days of thinking about going for soem cycling without 1 km ..
Jun 20 12:47:53 <JaMa> s/soem/some/
Jun 20 12:47:54 <apt> JaMa meant: PaulFertser: two days of thinking about going for some cycling without 1 km ..
Jun 20 12:48:41 <PaulFertser> JaMa: my problem is usually finding someone to cycle with, and that doesn't involve thinking.
Jun 20 12:49:10 <JaMa> PaulFertser: no idea.. after headache on Tuesday I'm bored with everything and cannot interest myself enough to do anything..
Jun 20 12:49:48 <PaulFertser> JaMa: shit, same here, except for that i didn't not need any headache for that.
Jun 20 12:51:20 <JaMa> PaulFertser: :/, if you find the cure, let me know
Jun 20 12:52:10 <PaulFertser> JaMa: last time i tried some "Pinky and the Brain" series and it helped somewhat.
Jun 20 12:52:23 <PaulFertser> Also "Daria"
Jun 20 12:52:26 <PaulFertser> But probably that's just me.
Jun 20 12:53:43 <PaulFertser> JaMa: and i'm finally awake and aware enough to go try cycling, let's see what gives.
Jun 20 12:54:04 * JaMa is listening to Equilibrium - Rekreatur, probably not best music to improve mood :)
Jun 20 12:54:24 <PaulFertser> Also idling on irc allowed me to help two guys with compat-wireless problems and send one patch on the ML, that's a bit encouraging too.
Jun 20 12:54:25 <JaMa> PaulFertser: go4it, good luck on roads
Jun 20 13:39:43 <gena2x> PaulFertser: yeah, nice idea to cycle.
Jun 20 13:40:02 <gena2x> i'll go to do small 30km ride
Jun 20 14:36:53 <shurdeek> Hello JaMa, PaulFertser thought you might be able to help me, I installed SHR unstable and when I rotate the terminal (well the whole GUI) with xrandr -o, the touchscreen control screws up and does not rotate with the display.
Jun 20 14:37:40 <JaMa> shurdeek: known bug.. possible solution shown on ML about 14 days ago..
Jun 20 14:37:43 <shurdeek> I'll be AFK for a couple of hours but if you reply I'll read it when I'm back
Jun 20 14:37:53 <shurdeek> ok I couldn't find it on google
Jun 20 14:37:57 <JaMa> shurdeek: but nobody sent patch with proper fix yet
Jun 20 14:38:13 <shurdeek> aha
Jun 20 14:39:08 <shurdeek> which mailing list?
Jun 20 14:40:00 <shurdeek> ok nvm i'm going afk tx anyway
Jun 20 14:40:02 <JaMa> mmt I'll find it for you
Jun 20 14:41:59 <shurdeek> is it this one: http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.shr.user/month=20100601
Jun 20 14:42:35 <JaMa> shurdeek: hidden in [Shr-User] xserver-xorg-video-glamo
Jun 20 14:43:11 <shurdeek> yea that's the one
Jun 20 14:43:16 <shurdeek> tx
Jun 20 14:43:40 <JaMa> yw
Jun 20 14:43:56 * JaMa hopes to see an patch :)
Jun 20 14:48:23 <PaulFertser> JaMa: ok, 1:10 through, 30km past my back.
Jun 20 14:48:32 <PaulFertser> I'm here again.
Jun 20 14:49:09 <JaMa> good time!
Jun 20 14:49:19 <PaulFertser> "It takes all the running YOU can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get something else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!"
Jun 20 14:49:59 <PaulFertser> JaMa: too damn many uphills here on my usual round-the-home route.
Jun 20 14:59:36 <gena2x> nice weather btw, don't count on FreedomHouse :)
Jun 20 15:00:08 <PaulFertser> gena2x: too windy here
Jun 20 15:00:56 <gena2x> PaulFertser: wind=more fun for small route. you have chance to both relax and fly and work hard :)
Jun 20 15:01:32 <PaulFertser> gena2x: if you've seen these roads i have around me you'd know there's damn enough opportunity to work hard.
Jun 20 15:02:04 <gena2x> PaulFertser: oh, don't tell me you have Big Mountains in Moscow :)
Jun 20 15:03:09 <gena2x> riding on normay bicicly anyway ends up with constant wind but different speed :)
Jun 20 15:03:31 <PaulFertser> gena2x: i live at Krylatskie Hills, there's a professional road racing route 500m away. It's enourmously hard, i usually go on the road around it.
Jun 20 15:04:24 <gena2x> PaulFertser:oh, i wich to try professional road... as far as i know we have no such thing in Spb
Jun 20 15:04:36 <gena2x> s/wich/wish/
Jun 20 15:04:37 <apt> gena2x meant: PaulFertser:oh, i wish to try professional road... as far as i know we have no such thing in Spb
Jun 20 15:04:59 <PaulFertser> gena2x: it's not interesting if you go alone. Just exhausting.
Jun 20 15:07:50 <gena2x> PaulFertser: hm.. only exhausting thing is a bad asfalt and offroad riding, things which can shake my soul out of body...
Jun 20 15:08:18 * SpeedEvil gets down from the ladder, and puts the chainsaw down.
Jun 20 15:08:30 * SpeedEvil has been hedgetrimming. :/
Jun 20 15:27:24 <PaulFertser> gena2x: try searching/asking at http://veloroad.spb.ru/
Jun 20 21:15:28 <azaghal> What would be the replacement for mokonnect in SHR?
Jun 20 21:16:49 <PaulFertser> azaghal: iliwi
Jun 20 21:16:55 <azaghal> Thanks.
Jun 20 21:17:04 <azaghal> It will be in all future releases instead then?
Jun 20 21:17:20 <azaghal> I've seen the ticket on SHR trac, but wanted to double-check :)
Jun 20 21:17:23 <PaulFertser> azaghal: at least that's the plan
Jun 20 21:17:32 <PaulFertser> azaghal: since it seem to work for most folks
Jun 20 21:18:19 <azaghal> Btw, after seeing some UI's of proprietary phones, I'm starting to think a completely new style of UI might be needed :/
Jun 20 21:18:36 <PaulFertser> Heh, my emacs UI is the first to implement interactive USSD for FSO :p
Jun 20 21:18:51 <gena2x> lol...
Jun 20 21:19:05 <azaghal> USSD?
Jun 20 21:19:27 <gena2x> *100#
Jun 20 21:19:34 <gena2x> ^^^ USSD
Jun 20 21:19:39 <azaghal> Ah
Jun 20 21:20:01 <gena2x> or no, something like this?
Jun 20 21:20:08 <PaulFertser> gena2x: yes
Jun 20 21:20:19 <PaulFertser> gena2x: but some operators provide interactive menus
Jun 20 21:20:25 <gena2x> YEAH
Jun 20 21:20:32 <azaghal> I was just thinking how lots of people seem to be trying to port desktop apps to phone, or code those apps (I'm not putting anyone down, being a lazy bum I am at coding) with more of a keyboard/mouse oriented concept.
Jun 20 21:20:38 <gena2x> ONCE I HAD BIG PROBLEMS WITH THAT ON NEO
Jun 20 21:20:39 <azaghal> PaulFertser: Oh, _those_
Jun 20 21:20:41 <azaghal> Mine does :)
Jun 20 21:20:48 <PaulFertser> gena2x: beeline here gives the most useful options with *111# (thanks to Q-Master for drawing my attention).
Jun 20 21:20:57 <gena2x> sorry for uppercase, but problems were really bih
Jun 20 21:21:17 <gena2x> i bought new sim card while i were in Caucas
Jun 20 21:21:33 <gena2x> and had to switch pay-plans
Jun 20 21:21:54 <gena2x> and had no idea where should be 'interactive menu'
Jun 20 21:22:21 <gena2x> i hitted wall with head until my fried give me his phone
Jun 20 21:23:14 <PaulFertser> gena2x: you could have used mdbus to call ussd method of FSO.
Jun 20 21:23:45 <PaulFertser> gena2x: that's how i checked money amount when it wasn't implemented in Zhone.
Jun 20 21:23:52 <gena2x> :) i had no idea that this should be menu. in fact i never saw such 'menus' before
Jun 20 21:24:18 <gena2x> all simple request worked ok
Jun 20 21:24:20 <azaghal> PaulFertser: You're using Debian?
Jun 20 21:24:24 <gena2x> like *100#
Jun 20 21:24:38 <PaulFertser> gena2x: just fyi: it expects you do others ussd requests with simple "1" string (though not possible with the SHR dialer).
Jun 20 21:24:41 <PaulFertser> azaghal: yes
Jun 20 21:25:22 <gena2x> ^^^ i didn't understood.
Jun 20 21:25:45 <PaulFertser> gena2x: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Debug.DebugCommand +CUSD=*111# main
Jun 20 21:25:49 <PaulFertser> And then
Jun 20 21:25:58 <PaulFertser> Oh, no sorry.
Jun 20 21:26:04 <PaulFertser> "Typo"
Jun 20 21:26:59 <PaulFertser> gena2x: mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SendUssdRequest *111#
Jun 20 21:27:06 <PaulFertser> gena2x: and then mdbus2 -s org.freesmartphone.ogsmd /org/freesmartphone/GSM/Device org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.SendUssdRequest 1
Jun 20 21:27:17 <PaulFertser> (if you want to select the first menu item
Jun 20 21:27:36 <gena2x> ok, understood, thanks.
Jun 20 21:27:55 <PaulFertser> Q-Master: ^^^
Jun 20 21:28:12 <gena2x> hope i'll never need this :)
Jun 20 21:32:57 <azaghal> Hm... Anything weird when adding contacs in SHR? Can't get the keyboard input field there.
Jun 20 21:33:13 <PaulFertser> azaghal: press there like mad
Jun 20 21:33:23 <PaulFertser> azaghal: i've heard it helps
Jun 20 21:33:29 <PaulFertser> no kidding
Jun 20 21:33:53 <azaghal> Weird
Jun 20 21:34:12 <azaghal> I wonder if input field is too small, so you keep missing it?
Jun 20 21:34:26 <azaghal> I think I found how to get it.
Jun 20 21:34:31 <azaghal> *found a way
Jun 20 21:35:09 <azaghal> Click on the pen icon, click on the field name itself, select cancel, then click on the area where you'd expect it to be.
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