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Jul 04 07:21:57 <pabs3> if fsoraw -l reports no resources, what might be going wrong? frameworkd and dbus are both running. this is on SHR-t
Jul 04 07:23:05 * pabs3 tries a reboot
Jul 04 07:23:15 <PaulFertser> pabs3: i do not know but i got that when fsogsmd died in the middle of the dbus call today.
Jul 04 07:23:24 <PaulFertser> pabs3: using fso bleeding edge here.
Jul 04 07:26:02 <pabs3> reboot seems to have fixed it
Jul 04 07:26:14 * pabs3 will check for that next time
Jul 04 07:27:04 <PaulFertser> pabs3: i think shr-t doesn't use fsogsmd.
Jul 04 07:27:45 <PaulFertser> pabs3: but the idea is the same: something bad can happen. BTW, when frameworkd is started with -l, it exposes a nice python debugging interface that allows to explore its internals.
Jul 04 07:28:31 * pabs3 wonders what the TEST resource is for, it showed up after the annoying 'no sim card' dialog popped up
Jul 04 07:28:49 <pabs3> I confirm lack of fsogsmd
Jul 04 07:29:03 * pabs3 needs to try SHR-u again sometime soon
Jul 04 07:30:03 <pabs3> is SHR-t abandoned or SHR-u just not stable enough to replace it?
Jul 04 07:30:23 <PaulFertser> pabs3: i think only spaetz can answer that.
Jul 04 07:30:31 <PaulFertser> pabs3: probably he's on vacation of some sort.
Jul 04 07:30:42 <pabs3> ok
Jul 04 07:30:45 <PaulFertser> (not meaning jail, of course)
Jul 04 07:30:48 <PaulFertser> :)
Jul 04 07:30:52 <pabs3> er!?
Jul 04 07:31:18 <pabs3> how is 2.6.32 working out btw?
Jul 04 07:31:35 <PaulFertser> pabs3: when i reread my last message it stuck me that "vacation of some sort" can be easily associated with an imprisonment, not sure why.
Jul 04 07:31:46 <pabs3> strange :)
Jul 04 07:31:51 <PaulFertser> pabs3: not sure, i'm not following
Jul 04 11:27:06 <niclone> I can't switch anymore from applications on SHR illume2, anyone know what's module/gadget? is ?
Jul 04 11:30:31 <niclone> There was something that appeared when I clik the top bar
Jul 04 11:30:38 <niclone> with left, close, right buttons
Jul 04 11:38:30 <Gabrys> I also had this problem 
Jul 04 11:39:04 <niclone> Gabrys: did you find a solution?
Jul 04 11:39:11 <Gabrys> nope
Jul 04 11:39:15 <Gabrys> I use QtMoko now
Jul 04 11:39:25 <Gabrys> also on SHR testing this was not yet broken 
Jul 04 11:39:37 <Gabrys> I think switching apps is done somehow differently in SHR-U
Jul 04 11:39:43 <Gabrys> but never manager to find out how 
Jul 04 11:40:21 <Gabrys> s/manager/managed/
Jul 04 11:40:22 <niclone> I think that this module isn't always loaded, even from a fresh install...
Jul 04 11:40:22 <apt> Gabrys meant: but never managed to find out how 
Jul 04 13:00:02 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: niclone: that's some shr-elm-switcher module... i'll tell you in a moment.
Jul 04 13:00:35 <PaulFertser> Gabrys: niclone: shr_elm_softkey
Jul 04 13:00:44 <PaulFertser> Should be started as a separate app.
Jul 04 13:01:26 <PaulFertser> niclone: if you're interested in running bleeding edge on debian, i'm here to answer your questions ;)
Jul 04 13:02:30 <PaulFertser> http://git.shr-project.org/git/?p=shr-e-gadgets.git;a=blob;f=src/softkey_quickpanel/data/89shr_elm_softkey;h=81a3d6d81d5ea4fec279419e702dbefd87fecf81;hb=4f94c139bd50935dbfb6524e8525d0c35200380b
Jul 04 13:04:37 <niclone> PaulFertser: hi, thanks, yeah, maybe :)
Jul 04 13:05:23 <niclone> PaulFertser: actually, I'm finishing preparing SHR for 2 weeks holidays, but when I came back, maybe I'll do it under debian
Jul 04 13:06:00 <niclone> PaulFertser: but I have GTA01, so it's sometimes more complicated ;)
Jul 04 13:06:04 <PaulFertser> niclone: yeah, i know
Jul 04 13:06:35 <PaulFertser> niclone: please do not forget to provide SHR folks with all the feedback they need to make SHR running on gta01 out of the box.
Jul 04 13:07:47 <niclone> Yep, no problem, I'm actually short in time, i'm leaving in about 4 hours, and my bag isn't ready (only my moko) ;)
Jul 04 13:08:06 <niclone> but I'll do :)
Jul 04 13:08:55 <niclone> at this time I only have the minimal: mail and xchat over gprs, and gps
Jul 04 13:09:26 <niclone> phone isn't working due to mixers problems, but I have no more time, i'll take a older phone for phone...
Jul 04 13:10:23 <PaulFertser> niclone: ok, enjoy your trip
Jul 04 13:10:24 <PaulFertser> :)
Jul 04 13:11:04 <PaulFertser> niclone: having an older phone is must have anyway, gta01 is too battery-hungry, and i still do not know why.
Jul 04 13:11:08 <niclone> thx ;)
Jul 04 13:11:24 <PaulFertser> Should have tried harder... But there seemed to be not many people interested.
Jul 04 13:11:32 <PaulFertser> And capable of performing hardware tweaks.
Jul 04 13:55:48 <Gabrys> I have a question about FR battery 
Jul 04 13:56:00 <Gabrys> I've read this http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_%28GTA02%29_Battery
Jul 04 13:56:21 <Gabrys> I wonder if Nokia BL-5J will fit (and work) in FR
Jul 04 13:56:27 <Gabrys> it's the Nokia Xpress Music's battery 
Jul 04 13:57:31 <Weiss> Gabrys: BL-5J does *not* fit FR... it's too long
Jul 04 13:57:49 <Gabrys> ok 
Jul 04 13:57:55 <Gabrys> so only BL-*C work 
Jul 04 13:58:06 <Gabrys> as the wiki states
Jul 04 13:58:59 <Gabrys> Weiss: thank you 
Jul 04 14:00:49 <Weiss> Gabrys: yep, as far as I know.. most likely the stuff on the wiki was written by PaulFertser, who is the authoritative source for FR battery stuff
Jul 04 14:01:13 <PaulFertser> Weiss: :)
Jul 04 14:01:19 <Gabrys> also I just found the dimensions for the 5J and it's indeed about 6cm long, while 5C is about 5cm
Jul 04 14:01:47 <Gabrys> I want to buy a long-life battery, just searching for most capacity out of ebay ;-)
Jul 04 14:02:05 <Gabrys> some time ago I found batteries which claimed to be li-poly 
Jul 04 14:02:17 <Gabrys> but now I can't find them
Jul 04 14:02:48 <Gabrys> I have some Chinnese 2300 mAh BL-5C, but I'm not sure what's their REAL capacity :-)
Jul 04 14:03:06 <Gabrys> I mean I have one opened in tab
Jul 04 14:03:08 <Gabrys> ;-)
Jul 04 14:03:43 <Gabrys> http://cgi.ebay.com/2300mAh-BL-5C-Battery-For-Nokia-E50-E60-N70-N71-N72-/180528163494?cmd=ViewItem&pt=AU_MobilePhoneAccessories&hash=item2a08512aa6
Jul 04 14:06:34 <Gabrys> last time I bought stuff from Asia, it pretty worked :-)
Jul 04 14:07:22 <Gabrys> it took a month or two to be delivered, but it was exactly what I ordered, working till today, namely Bluetooth A2DP set :-)
Jul 04 18:09:04 <shurdeek> hi, i'm looking for a distro that can do: wifi, bluetooth keyboard(HID  profile) and screen rotate. SHR unstable is almost there, but screen rotation is horribly broken.
Jul 04 18:22:31 <shurdeek>  hi, i'm looking for a distro that can do: wifi, bluetooth keyboard(HID  profile) and screen rotate. SHR unstable is almost there, but screen rotation is horribly broken.
Jul 04 18:32:54 <gena2x> shurdeek: try qtmoko too.
Jul 04 18:33:21 <gena2x> shurdeek: but i am unsure about rotation.
Jul 04 18:33:29 <shurdeek> i'm trying that now actually :-)
Jul 04 19:17:19 <Gabrys> from Wikipedia: energy density of Li-poly and Li-ion batteries are about the same -- about 300 W/l which gives theoretically maximum (from my calulations) capacity of batteries that fit in FR 1000 mAh 
Jul 04 19:17:32 <Gabrys> given they are 3.7V
Jul 04 19:18:28 <Gabrys> this would mean BL-5C li-poly battery of capacity 3950 mAh is a big fat fake
Jul 04 19:18:58 <Gabrys> bah, I saw one 4950
Jul 04 19:38:36 <shurdeek> well, qtmoko seems to work with wifi and rotation, but if I bind the keyboard the keystrokes don't propagate to the UI :-(
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