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Jul 10 03:16:46 <pabs3> I just accidentally booted with the high logging and I notice tons of processes triggering the alignment trap in the kernel
Jul 10 03:21:01 <pabs3> this is gonna be a looooooong bootup
Jul 10 03:22:07 * pabs3 removes battery instead
Jul 10 04:45:55 <pabs3> how do I transfer contacts, messages etc from my old SHR-t install to a new SHR-u install? Is there any way to make SHR store them in /home?
Jul 10 04:47:28 <PaulFertser> pabs3: shr stores contacts, messages in opim database, and as it's system-wide, it's stored in /etc/freesmartphone
Jul 10 04:47:46 <PaulFertser> /etc/freesmartphone/opim/pim.db
Jul 10 04:50:03 * pabs3 considers ln -s /home/root/.opim/pim.db /etc/freesmartphone/opim/pim.db 
Jul 10 04:54:53 <pabs3> WSOA happens quite a bit with 2.6.32 here
Jul 10 04:57:42 <pabs3> hmm, my /usr/bin/file got corrupted
Jul 10 05:47:18 <pabs3> does opimd support something like evolution's X-EVOLUTION-FILE-AS field?
Jul 10 05:49:33 <PaulFertser> pabs3: what's that?
Jul 10 05:51:36 <pabs3> a field that is used when listing all the contacts instead of the name/nickname
Jul 10 05:58:25 <PaulFertser> pabs3: you can have arbitrary number of fields in opimd, each field has a type (arbitrary amount of types), and each field can have any number of entries.
Jul 10 05:59:20 <pabs3> ah, so phoneui-contacts just needs to support it and pisi needs to load/sync it?
Jul 10 06:58:31 <pabs3> hmm, strace also corrupted
Jul 10 06:59:33 <pabs3> file says the same as when /usr/bin/file got corrupted: /usr/bin/strace: hp200 (68010) BSD
Jul 10 08:54:31 <pabs3> wtf, now mount is corrupted in the same way
Jul 10 10:35:07 <merethan> hi all
Jul 10 10:49:53 <merethan> My SD card has its partitions removed every time
Jul 10 10:50:03 <merethan> sucks bigtime
Jul 10 10:50:12 <merethan> I see some kernel patches were made to solve this
Jul 10 10:51:18 <merethan> Are they in Qt extended?
Jul 10 10:51:26 <merethan> Or in Qt Extended Improved
Jul 10 10:54:11 <pabs3> both of those are no longer maintained, QtMoko is the latest re-incarnation of Qtopia
Jul 10 10:56:28 <merethan> I have it installed
Jul 10 10:56:39 <merethan> Works smooth
Jul 10 10:57:09 <merethan> According to trolltech the Qt Extended features have found their ways to the main Qt distribution
Jul 10 10:57:44 <merethan> Isn't there any other Qt for phones by now?
Jul 10 10:58:13 <pabs3> MeeGo and Symbian are heading towards Qt (slowly)
Jul 10 10:58:31 <merethan> mm
Jul 10 10:58:47 <merethan> SHR is too bloody slow. 400Mhz simply sets a limit on how much fancy stuff you can do
Jul 10 10:58:58 <merethan> QtMoko runs petty smooth
Jul 10 11:02:05 <merethan> Perhaps the latest Symbian is nice enough to run on Neo
Jul 10 11:03:43 <pabs3> SHR-u (or E17 on Debian) is quite a lot faster these days
Jul 10 11:04:07 <pabs3> and the main limiting factor is the GPU bus speed
Jul 10 11:04:21 <pabs3> er, GPU bandwidth I mean
Jul 10 11:04:48 <merethan> SHR still has some problems
Jul 10 11:05:12 <[Rui]> merethan: qtmoko only feels faster because it's sparing hugely on s3c bandwidth by means of "reduced screen area"
Jul 10 11:05:48 <[Rui]> merethan: it's not a matter of cpu speed
Jul 10 11:07:07 * pabs3 wonders if using the flash for swap space is a good idea
Jul 10 11:07:15 <[Rui]> pabs3: not reall
Jul 10 11:07:24 <[Rui]> pabs3: not really
Jul 10 11:08:21 <pabs3> what about as a bcache?
Jul 10 11:09:24 <merethan> NAND has a limited lifecycle
Jul 10 11:09:32 <merethan> Not a good idea
Jul 10 11:09:42 <merethan> (the swap thing)
Jul 10 11:10:28 <merethan> Perhaps a journalled fs is even problematic due to the same bits being set and unset a lot.
Jul 10 11:10:52 <merethan> no problem for hdd
Jul 10 11:11:07 <pabs3> the FR doesn't have a HDD :)
Jul 10 11:11:07 <merethan> but may wear out a single sector in flash to the bone
Jul 10 11:15:01 <Defiant> merethan: wear leveling?
Jul 10 11:16:19 <merethan> It is going to run out of spare sectors one day
Jul 10 11:17:37 <merethan> And not all cards move data around (and thus have a logical <> physical abstraction layer)
Jul 10 11:17:38 <Defiant> merethan: using ext3 in the third year now.
Jul 10 11:18:32 <merethan> mm
Jul 10 11:19:23 <Defiant> I also didn't expected that long, but if it would be only year...the card doesn't cost anything
Jul 10 12:18:56 <merethan> mm QtMoko is Qt Extended Improved
Jul 10 12:19:02 <merethan> Didn't know that :P
Jul 10 12:21:55 <gena2x> merethan: recently, shr is moved to .32 nodebug image, so it should be fast now too.
Jul 10 12:22:16 <merethan> mm
Jul 10 12:22:21 <gena2x> merethan: but qtmoko is of course, faster :)
Jul 10 12:22:24 <merethan> QtMoko has some issues
Jul 10 12:22:33 <merethan> I'm not sure what to do
Jul 10 12:22:38 <gena2x> merethan: what kind of issues?
Jul 10 12:22:51 <merethan> I can either get something that works or spend a lot of time to get it to work
Jul 10 12:23:45 <merethan> well QtMoko corrupts SD card for example
Jul 10 12:23:53 <gena2x> merethan: qtmoko i good distro, i am using it without any issues.
Jul 10 12:24:01 <merethan> Audio quality lacks sometimes
Jul 10 12:24:02 <gena2x> merethan: hmm...
Jul 10 12:24:38 <gena2x> merethan: hm, yes. radek set volumes too low to support both buzzfix and non-buzzfixed phone i think.
Jul 10 12:24:58 <gena2x> merethan: qtmoko also has dedicated channel #qtmoko
Jul 10 12:25:04 <merethan> ah
Jul 10 12:25:30 <merethan> Another problem is that it is not future ready. Qt Extended is defunkt.
Jul 10 12:25:55 <gena2x> merethan: to get higher volume you can just adjust alsa settings.
Jul 10 12:25:56 <merethan> brb
Jul 10 12:26:54 <gena2x> merethan: defunkt? you mean not developed by nokia any more?
Jul 10 12:27:23 <gena2x> merethan: interesting issue from the past about sd corruption. install it to nand.
Jul 10 12:52:41 <merethan> back
Jul 10 12:52:50 <merethan> gena2x, it is not installed on sd
Jul 10 12:53:16 <gena2x> hm.
Jul 10 12:53:20 <merethan> only corrupts it. The first 512 bytes are gone
Jul 10 12:53:29 <gena2x> merethan: we had this issue before.
Jul 10 12:53:50 <gena2x> merethan: long time ago. this is related to kernel.
Jul 10 12:56:04 <gena2x> merethan: very interesting that you have it how with qtmokov24.
Jul 10 12:58:22 <merethan> Indeed
Jul 10 12:58:37 <merethan> Perhaps I have won the lottery so to speak
Jul 10 12:58:56 <merethan> It has been suggested that a race condition might trigger the error
Jul 10 12:59:11 <merethan> Perhaps it is very rare.
Jul 10 12:59:27 <gena2x> merethan: we have some, ehm. brilliant head now working on glamo-mci. i'll report this to him :)
Jul 10 13:00:20 <gena2x> merethan: at which moment corruption occurs?
Jul 10 13:00:48 <gena2x> merethan: is it suspend, boot or something else?
Jul 10 13:03:18 <merethan> I have no idea unfortunately
Jul 10 13:03:40 <merethan> I have the FR for a week or three now
Jul 10 13:04:02 <merethan> I've only used the SD for OSM data storage (for NeronGPS)
Jul 10 13:04:38 <gena2x> merethan: so, backup it for now.
Jul 10 13:05:04 <gena2x> merethan: describe all you faced, how often this happened and so.
Jul 10 13:05:07 <merethan> Yesterday it didn't load the map. That's when I noticed the broken SD card. But I have no clue when the breakage occurred.
Jul 10 13:05:26 <merethan> Read above, it's all I know
Jul 10 13:05:32 <gena2x> ok.
Jul 10 13:08:37 <gena2x> even better if you file bug report at https://docs.openmoko.org/trac/report.
Jul 10 13:09:09 <gena2x> (need register to prevent spam)
Jul 10 13:16:00 <merethan> gena2x, I 'll get it all to work again first. See if I can reproduce it.
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