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Sep 06 13:13:07 <navaati> hello
Sep 06 13:14:46 <navaati> do the moko need an antena to make GPS work ? i dont succeed in having it doing a fix
Sep 06 13:16:41 <PaulF> navaati: no, it doesn't.
Sep 06 13:16:57 <PaulF> navaati: i mean it does but it has an internal antenna already integrated.
Sep 06 13:17:51 <navaati> :/ so why can't i get a fix... and it doesn't work with any distrib
Sep 06 13:18:11 <navaati> does it usually work, for most people ?
Sep 06 13:18:20 <PaulF> Sure
Sep 06 13:19:15 <navaati> and does it need to be connected to GPRS by the same time to work ?
Sep 06 13:19:17 <nullix> sure it works, it is slow to get fix sometime it might take 5 minutes
Sep 06 13:19:35 <nullix> navaati: no GPS has no need of GPRS
Sep 06 13:20:01 <nullix> i often use tangogps and it works like a charm
Sep 06 13:20:14 <rhkfin> navaati: what distro do you use? Are you outside when trying to get the fix? Are there any houses/trees/something around you that prevents the GPS signal from getting to you..?
Sep 06 13:20:35 <nullix> when i use it in my car i disable power suspend, else it stops and sometimes doesn't recover wihout a reboot.
Sep 06 13:21:03 <navaati> ah ! maybe being outside is a good clue ><
Sep 06 13:21:10 <rhkfin> navaati: :)
Sep 06 13:21:12 <nullix> wiht tangogps you can see how many satelites it get
Sep 06 13:21:32 <rhkfin> omgpsalso  shows the location of the satellites on the sky 
Sep 06 13:21:35 <rhkfin> omgps also..
Sep 06 13:21:36 <nullix> navaati: sure it won't work if you have no view over the sky
Sep 06 13:21:36 <navaati> (i tried on hackable:1 and now qtmoko)
Sep 06 13:21:59 <nullix> hackable works for sure.
Sep 06 13:23:06 <nullix> even in the car gps should be near front glass else it doesn't receive the signal in a good manner.
Sep 06 13:23:55 <nullix> to speed up position detectionin tangogps you set your current position to the correct one, it accelerate computations to synchronize satellites informations.
Sep 06 13:23:56 <navaati> hum, ok, i'll try to wait 5min while being outside, another day
Sep 06 13:24:40 <navaati> and the OSs don't support AGPS for the moment ? 5min is much time...
Sep 06 13:25:41 <navaati> on Iphone (ok, bad reference), the fix is almost instantaneous
Sep 06 13:26:25 <rhkfin> navaati: it fetches the position of the satellites from internet
Sep 06 13:26:36 <rhkfin> (check opkg.org and agps from there)
Sep 06 13:27:23 <rhkfin> you can try to compile it to debian and make it fetch you the position. Helps in getting the fix faster a lot
Sep 06 13:27:35 <rhkfin> (5min might not be enough....)
Sep 06 13:28:01 <navaati> not embedded in any distrib ?
Sep 06 13:28:13 <rhkfin> nullix: are you sure that tango uses the map view information to find satellites faster....?
Sep 06 13:28:19 <rhkfin> navaati: don't think so
Sep 06 13:28:37 <rhkfin> i think ~all recent distros store the latest know position of the satellites
Sep 06 13:28:49 <rhkfin> but ~none of them is able to fetch it from the net by default
Sep 06 13:28:55 <nullix> rhkfin: if it is not the case then it is psychological effect :-)
Sep 06 13:29:18 <rhkfin> nullix: absolutely!
Sep 06 13:29:32 <nullix> at least it was what i felt, but might just be that last known position was near the new one.
Sep 06 13:29:34 <rhkfin> navaati: actaully omgps has ublox integrated
Sep 06 13:29:41 <rhkfin> nullix: propably that
Sep 06 13:29:46 <rhkfin> navaati: i mean agps
Sep 06 13:30:49 <rhkfin> navaati: U-BLOX binary protocol is used by default, efficient. Automatically switch to ogpsd upon conflict.
Sep 06 13:30:53 <rhkfin> U-BLOX AGPS online, which cuts TTFF down to about 10s.
Sep 06 13:31:00 <rhkfin> http://code.google.com/p/omgps/
Sep 06 13:31:09 <rhkfin> dump aiding data on close and after AGPS online, feed these data to GPS receiver on start.
Sep 06 13:31:21 <navaati> omgps is a deamon or an UI ?
Sep 06 13:31:43 <rhkfin> UI
Sep 06 13:32:14 <rhkfin> "GPS GUI application for OpenMoko mobile phone.
Sep 06 13:32:46 <rhkfin> Knows ~everything tangogps knows and something more
Sep 06 13:33:15 <rhkfin> I'd suggest to try that if you want to have quick fixes
Sep 06 13:33:25 <rhkfin> After the fix you can start other gps apps
Sep 06 13:36:22 <navaati> hum, it's been on the edge of my window for 10min and i didn't get any fix
Sep 06 13:36:32 <navaati> (neronGPS is the app)
Sep 06 13:37:49 <navaati> and omgps needs FSO, so not QtMoko nor hackable... i'd need debian but i think my sd card reader is broken
Sep 06 14:17:10 <skamster> hello all
Sep 06 14:18:29 <navaati> hi
Sep 06 14:18:31 <skamster> i've got 2 problems.. first: qtmoko tells me, my sms-storage is full. if i delete a sms, it tells me the simcard is not ready - but i couldn't recive sms yet (i think, it's just full on simcard but not otherwhise..)
Sep 06 14:19:20 <navaati> couldn't you put the sim in another phone an delete SMSs ?
Sep 06 14:19:27 <skamster> second: all the phoneui-app's on shr make just a grey screen.. i use the current shr-version + updates and now also mokosuite2 (but the problem is older)
Sep 06 14:19:38 <skamster> i don't got any here..
Sep 06 14:20:00 <skamster> i think about to use the sim-card-manager on shr -> but also grey screen
Sep 06 14:21:07 <skamster> navaati: another idea is to use fso over console.. but i've forgot the command to access it the dbus-way.. may you know it?
Sep 06 14:24:19 <navaati> mdbus ?
Sep 06 14:25:22 <skamster> yes :D
Sep 06 14:25:34 <skamster> exactly.. thanks!
Sep 06 14:28:00 <navaati> hum... but qtmoko doesn't use FSO...
Sep 06 14:28:34 <skamster> no - but with mdbus i could delete the messages from the sim-card.. so the sim got space again
Sep 06 14:28:38 <skamster> i hope, it work
Sep 06 14:28:39 <skamster> s
Sep 06 14:29:41 <navaati> oh, you run 2 distros, ok
Sep 06 14:50:36 <skamster> yes.. mmh, sms-space isn't full anymore, but i'm again not able to recive sms :s
Sep 06 15:54:49 <navaati> bye
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