**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 09 02:59:58 2010 Sep 09 09:21:18 http://fun.drno.de/pics/english/ophone-leak.jpg Sep 09 15:33:02 hi Sep 09 15:35:28 ih Sep 09 15:36:29 SpeedEvil: http://marc.info/?l=linux-wireless&m=128404502308426&w=2 Sep 09 15:36:43 Broadcrap releases a modern free driver for their broadshit. Sep 09 15:36:49 neat! Sep 09 15:36:50 Without a word of apology, fuckers. Sep 09 15:37:29 You mean WRT not supporting it in the past? Sep 09 15:37:38 I'd not been looking at the history. Sep 09 15:37:58 What I actually want at the moment is a cheap chipset that can do WPA/... onboard. Sep 09 15:38:08 Oh - obtainable. Sep 09 15:38:13 But that seems unlikely Sep 09 15:38:17 use any OpenWrt supported Atheros SoC Sep 09 15:38:26 TP-Link WR1043ND Sep 09 15:39:04 I mean to stick in a product costing $50 Sep 09 15:39:30 the size of a postage stamp or so Sep 09 15:47:05 SpeedEvil: i do not care about hardware, software or code. I care about people. I know many talented people spent helluva time reversing their proprietary drivers. Sep 09 15:47:18 SpeedEvil: i mean they're guilty of spending time of those brave men. Sep 09 15:48:34 Yes, and no. Sep 09 15:48:49 Those people did not completely waste that time. Sep 09 15:48:53 Surely Sep 09 15:49:00 They have learned skills, made contacts, ... Sep 09 15:49:07 But i'm sure they could have spent it more efficiently. Sep 09 15:49:17 Sure. Sep 09 15:50:02 And you can't personalise companies too much. Sep 09 15:50:20 For example - the release may be due to one guy changing jobs. Sep 09 15:50:23 I can and do and will Sep 09 15:52:05 SpeedEvil: also: it's the particular guy doing the announcement btw. Sep 09 15:52:46 Unlikely, unless he's either managment, or doing it without corporate resources. Sep 09 15:55:20 SpeedEvil: every corporation consists of people. One shouldn't keep silence because his corporation thinks he should. If he feels like apologising, he must do it, personally, on behalf of his own. Sep 09 15:56:07 'one shouldn't' is easy to say if it's not your job. Sep 09 15:57:00 SpeedEvil: if someone from openmoko does nasty things to another man, and i notice that, i will feel partially responsible for that, and i will say i'm sorry. Sep 09 15:58:06 SpeedEvil: and if the company that i work for does something i feel i need to say about, i will. If i fired, well, that'd just prove this company's shit and i shouldn't be working there. Sep 09 15:59:08 Fair enough - and that''s a courageous decision - many people don't feel free to do that - and inmany cases, I find it hard to blame them. Sep 09 16:00:45 SpeedEvil: i think that a reasonably sane person can always find some job for a living. But if he demands too much, well, that'd be bad too, meaning he exchanges his own (unnecessary, fake) needs for the moral and honest attitude to the people. Sep 09 16:03:07 I mean consumerism society's values are all fake, and if one understands that he doesn't need much money to live. Sep 09 16:04:39 Sure. Which canbe harder to argue if you've got a house and family. Sep 09 16:05:19 Guess i'm lucky then. Sep 09 16:07:40 SpeedEvil: but i really hope that even if i get one someday, i still won't change my "childing and idealistic" attitude. And i think i've seen some successful examples here in RU. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 10 02:59:57 2010