**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 28 02:59:57 2010 Sep 28 10:35:15 i did a shr-u upgrade today and at the end i got an error message concerning readprofile: update-alternatives: Error: cannot register alternative readprofile to /usr/sbin/readprofile since it is already registered to /sbin/readprofile Sep 28 10:35:24 what should i do to fix this? :) Sep 28 10:36:15 <[Rui]> edit /usr/lib/opkg/alternatives/readprofile and fix the path accordingly Sep 28 10:43:14 thanks, that was an easy fix :) Sep 28 10:43:35 <[Rui]> yes :) Sep 28 10:48:51 i still have rootdelay=5 in my /boot/append-GTA02 file. but i read somewhere that now rootwait should be used instead. could i just change rootdelay=5 with rootwait or what is the exact syntax for that? Sep 28 10:49:59 <[Rui]> yes Sep 28 10:50:53 than i will try this. maybe i spare a few seconds of waiting :) Sep 28 10:50:58 <[Rui]> although current images have loglevel=1 quiet splash Sep 28 10:51:38 yes thats the line above Sep 28 10:53:10 nice. now it only waits about 1-2 seconds before it starts booting :) Sep 28 10:55:00 is the bugfix for the high current consumption in standby now in the shr-u kernel integrated? i read in the bug that it was only a false setting in one register of a power regulator Sep 28 11:09:44 the webbrowser eve has really improved since the last time i used it a few months ago :) Sep 28 16:04:35 hello from my new phone Sep 28 16:05:05 rooly: what model is that? ;) Sep 28 16:05:47 samsung captivate Sep 28 16:08:05 really nice. Sep 28 16:14:36 rooly: no X, no POSIX, no anything hackable? ;) Sep 28 16:16:38 i can root it and install busybox trivially. no x is not a big deal to me Sep 28 16:18:21 rooly: what is? Sep 28 16:19:12 the phone Sep 28 16:19:36 Nokia 1110 worked damn nicely for me. Sep 28 16:19:39 As a phone. Sep 28 16:19:42 I like my n900 - busybox, root by default (well - one package) ... Sep 28 16:20:00 apt-get install build-essential Sep 28 16:25:06 SpeedEvil: i quite disliked the nokia policies concerning low-level stuff. Sep 28 16:25:19 SpeedEvil: not being able to backup a kernel is ridiculous. Sep 28 16:25:47 SpeedEvil: also compiling 0xffff from hg repo is not exactly something everyone wants to do after buying a cool smartphone. Sep 28 16:25:50 Etc etc Sep 28 16:30:44 In some ways I quite agree. Sep 28 16:31:29 In other ways I have a shiny phone with a mostly working UI thaat can be improved often with opensource components. Sep 28 16:31:44 And even more. Maemo was step in the right direction, but speaking about Nokia, they really did suck and still do. Their reaction to the PR1.2 privacy breach is intolerable imho. Sep 28 16:35:03 And usability-wise it plain stupid they use a crippled window manager and if you want configurability you need to install some "enhanced hildon desktop" and such. I guess similar things can be said about almost every other app from them. Sep 28 16:41:30 It seems Nokia doesn't really have a clue which way to go. Symbian, Maemo, mobile Windows 7. Sep 28 16:46:02 nokia uses mobile windows on their phones ? Sep 28 16:47:49 no, but there's some talk about ms co-op with the new management Sep 28 16:48:19 There is talk of using it. http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/23/nokia-windows-stephen-elop/ Sep 28 16:48:32 Ayobayo: as they fired cheif, i expect course to open source have high chances to die. Sep 28 16:50:12 Yeah, good chance for that. They do not seem to be the kind of people who can envision open source to have a place in a business model. Sep 28 16:50:54 also i am worring about future of qt Sep 28 16:51:46 Stephen Elop has his network and experience in his microsoft past. Sep 28 16:54:09 There are many programmes leaning on QT. It will survive, if necessary, in one way or the other. Like Mandriva is already having a new fork in progress, Mageia. Sep 28 16:55:04 problem is that now most key components seem lost their patrons Sep 28 16:56:09 openoffice, mysql, java, firefox(was google), if now add qt Sep 28 16:56:51 will it survive? and in what degree? Sep 28 17:00:14 It will survive. They should be able to earn money with it. And hopefully the KDE Free QT Foundation is still in place: http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php Sep 28 17:01:23 the foundation isn't really very relevant anymore since qt licensing has laxed step by step up to the lgpl, but sure, some would prefer bsd Sep 28 17:14:01 Not much seems to be moving at the KDE Free QT Foundation. I just sent a mail to kde-ev-board@kde.org, the legal and financial representation of KDE to ask them about the current and future state of Free QT. Sep 28 17:14:35 Will put the answer here when it arrives. Sep 28 17:17:47 oh, not proper timing to worry _so_ much :) Sep 28 17:20:28 Its the time of the year to start to worry. Getting dark early and light late.... Plenty of time to dig into problems. Sep 28 17:21:12 heh, people have to migrate to australia in this period :) Sep 28 17:21:18 Ayobayo: mandriva ain't dying though ;) Sep 28 17:21:29 neither is mandriva linux :) Sep 28 17:21:54 I hope so, but I put my eggs in the Mageia basket. Sep 28 17:22:08 hey, gpl thing can't just 'die'! Sep 28 17:22:53 it may loose support, slow down, but never die Sep 28 17:23:08 If Mandriva disappears, so does the distro. But others can pick it up and continue on the work done so far. Sep 28 17:23:16 * proyvind find it unlikely that mageia will be able to move very fast nor muchmuch less be able to really do any serious r&d on it's own Sep 28 17:24:03 mandriva linux has always been very dependent on people within company, especially when it comes to r&d, organizing etc. Sep 28 17:25:17 so I'm sticking with mandriva ;) Sep 28 17:25:31 It appeals much more to me that Mageia is community driven, and doesn't have to depend on the manager of the day, like Mandriva (and Nokia) Sep 28 17:26:07 A lot of the people developing Mandriva have been sacked. They are the ones who started Mageia. Sep 28 17:26:36 Ayobayo: I've yet to see any clear goals, direction or even any sense of consensus on anything yet when it comes to mageia Sep 28 17:27:24 most staff working on distro has been employed at conectiva for the last years anyways also.. Sep 28 17:27:24 manager. being managed is not bad for project. hm...... Sep 28 17:27:47 They claim tomorrow, or Thirsday we will hear more about vision, values, manifesto, roadmap. Sep 28 17:31:06 We will see how things go. It is nice to be part of something new. Mandriva (and before that Mandrake) has been a favorit of mine for a long time. I hope they do well. But they always seem to be in troubles, one way or the other. I chose Mageia in this case, despite the terrible name. 9.9 Sep 28 17:32:50 Ayobayo: it'll be interesting to see how this turns out, will they announce it as final, or as a proposal? how,where,who,what++ for discussion currently? initial announcement only consisted of a list of some people and complaints about edge-it, nothing more about the project, lacking any of this, it seems very unlikely that it's announcement being unrelated to the general assembly meeting the dday before, and just right before off Sep 28 17:34:26 Something else entirely. I haven't been spending much time with my freerunner lately. Anybody got Meamo running on his/her freerunner? Sep 28 17:35:02 I only hope that they'll be sensible and don't give invitation mandriva the finger, but rather accepts joining into broad collaboration with it and others :) Sep 28 17:35:10 hm Sep 28 17:35:15 haven't tried Sep 28 17:35:36 I took the coward's way out, ditched gnu/linux and just installed android on it the other day Sep 28 17:35:40 Ayobayo: maemo? have you tried latest qtmoko? Sep 28 17:36:01 Never liked qtmoko. Sep 28 17:36:13 I found both qtmoko & shr to concurrently blow & suck :p Sep 28 17:36:25 I liked Qalee, though Sep 28 17:36:40 but then you tried it? Sep 28 17:36:47 Shr worked for me to a certain extend. Sep 28 17:36:53 just went with android for now, then look into gnu/linux again later when I got the time :) Sep 28 17:37:51 try latest qtmoko, it is really nice. Sep 28 17:37:58 :) Sep 28 17:38:25 Yes, I got Qalee working, beginning this year. Qtmoko I tried several times, it seems to be still an active distro. But I don't like the way the interface works. Just doesn't work for me. It runs great, though. Sep 28 17:38:49 hm, qalee? didn't see that one on the openmoko wiki.. what kind of distro is it? Sep 28 17:38:53 i would like qtmoko if it was based on an x server. but without x i can't use many programs :( Sep 28 17:39:07 Fox_Muldr: it has Qx Sep 28 17:39:23 i am not using it, but people telling it is working well Sep 28 17:39:25 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions#Qalee Sep 28 17:39:40 Fox_Muldr: but i agree. i wish qt/x11 too. Sep 28 17:39:44 gena2x: the last time i tried x i only knew that i can't run any x applications Sep 28 17:39:57 on qtmoko Sep 28 17:40:03 Fox_Muldr: all X apps should work Sep 28 17:40:20 it can start usual X server for you Sep 28 17:40:26 in addition to qtmoko interface Sep 28 17:40:38 Android only once had an image I managed to make work properly. I do like the android interface, in fact, I have an HTC Wildfire Sep 28 17:40:45 gena2x: maybe i should give it a try again. shr-u is not useable since months now for me. gsm is unreliable and i often have sd-card problems and the whole system freezes Sep 28 17:41:11 than at least i could use my freerunner again :) Sep 28 17:41:16 If you want something to work, qtmoko definately is the right way to go. Sep 28 17:42:03 sad, but qtmoko has some issues too. not with sd card, not with freezes, but gsm sometimes stop working here too (after resume) :( Sep 28 17:42:26 this is rare, but happens Sep 28 17:42:28 i have to try again. i only remember from the last time i tried that i disliked the missing x server Sep 28 17:42:51 find Qx, may be it will be enough for you Sep 28 17:43:17 I seem to be quite lucky then, never had the gsm stopping or the X problems. Just the interface doesn't fit me. Sep 28 17:43:53 is the latest bugfix for the "high current in standby" in the qtmoko kernel integrated? Sep 28 17:44:43 Fox_Muldr: as author if 'high current in stadby' fix, i can say that it is completely not related to .29 kernels Sep 28 17:45:15 stable qtmoko (v26) is based on .29. Sep 28 17:45:29 experimental (v27) on .34. Sep 28 17:45:39 in the bug someone described that it was a wrong register setting in an power regulator in the later kernels which seemed wrong since > .29 kernels Sep 28 17:45:50 and v27 has high current problem fix. Sep 28 17:45:58 hehe maybe it was you i don't remember :) Sep 28 17:46:26 not so simple. register settings are same for all 3 kernels Sep 28 17:46:45 i didn't do investigation why .29 kernel works well Sep 28 17:47:07 but ... original problem statement '.32 eating more power than .29' ;) Sep 28 17:50:22 gena2x: it was you that statet in the bug that in register 0x1F the content was different compared the .29 and .34 kernels. so was this the problem or was there more to it? :) Sep 28 17:52:23 Why are they still working on Android Cupcake? Almost a year ago they already had a not too shabby image of Eclair. Sep 28 17:52:27 Fox_Muldr: ah, register _value_ is different while suspend, but _settings_ were same Sep 28 17:52:42 ;) Sep 28 17:52:49 gena2x: ok sorry i used the wrong terms but i meant this :) Sep 28 17:55:22 i looked this register up in the datesheet and it sounds like this setting could lead to more power consumption in standby. it's quite interesting to investigate this kind of stuff. i wish i had more time to do such things myself more often Sep 28 17:59:07 Fox_Muldr: where is much interesting problems to solve! Sep 28 18:03:02 Fox_Muldr: for example, larsc in discussion about #2349 pointed to very interesting discussion http://www.mail-archive.com/openmoko-kernel@lists.openmoko.org/msg05811.html Sep 28 18:03:30 Fox_Muldr: i see from the thread that out PMU is not put to standby while we suspended Sep 28 18:03:35 *our Sep 28 18:04:20 Fox_Muldr: nice problem to investigate. may be putting it to standby may same few mA and increase suspend time by few days :) Sep 28 18:08:38 gena2x: as far as i understand it one problem is that in register DOWN1ENA the bit was set so that the output was always on and not only when the gpio pin was set, or not? Sep 28 18:09:09 so the output of the regulator was always on instead only when the device is powered up Sep 28 18:09:15 Fox_Muldr: right, but forget about #2349, it is solved :) Sep 28 18:09:56 i can say where is many other interesting things to solve Sep 28 18:10:46 i know but i find it interesting to understand what you did there :) Sep 28 18:11:47 i described that with great details in PR Sep 28 18:12:01 PR? Sep 28 18:12:08 ah, problem report Sep 28 18:12:13 ah ok :) Sep 28 18:24:56 shouldn't the topic be changed and the link to OM2009 be removed since this os is completely outdated? Sep 28 18:26:04 anyone know how to configure fbreader for comfy scrolling without using the virt kbd? Sep 28 18:29:08 Fox_Muldr: who knows how to change topic? Sep 28 18:29:09 It just works on fbreader on maemo. Sep 28 18:29:12 I'm unsure. Sep 28 18:29:27 badcloud: have you looked through preferences/ Sep 28 18:29:42 press top half of text to scroll up, ... Sep 28 18:30:15 Looks like anyone can Sep 28 18:30:18 so go nuts Sep 28 18:31:16 SpeedEvil: doesn't work for me for some reason... Sep 28 18:54:10 SpeedEvil: am I missing something here? Sep 28 18:55:39 badcloud: Sorry - I've not used the OM port. Sep 28 18:56:21 SpeedEvil: no worries, thanks anyhow :) Sep 28 21:08:39 sonIRC Sep 28 21:09:26 Hi guys. I have an OM that turns itself off constantly after about 2 minutes. Has anyone seen this before? Sep 28 21:10:38 I'm pretty sure this is related to letting the battery run out but can't seem to get it to charge. Sep 28 21:17:25 sonic_baker: what is the battery consumlption? Sep 28 21:17:48 so i was a bit busy driving during the earlier discussion, Paul Sep 28 21:18:05 lindi- not sure, how do I check? Sep 28 21:19:20 sonic_baker: "om battery consumption" Sep 28 21:19:57 Says 100mA on the wiki page, is that what you mean? Sep 28 21:21:30 sonic_baker: what wiki page? Sep 28 21:22:43 lindi-: openmoko.org wiki. It says that's the current it draws. That's probably not what you meant though. How did you mean when you said OM Power Consumption? Sep 28 21:29:51 sonic_baker: it has way too many pages Sep 28 21:30:06 sonic_baker: "om battery consumption" is a command Sep 28 21:31:37 lindi-: Oh ok. From the terminal? Sep 28 21:36:22 sonic_baker: a terminal probably makes it easy yes Sep 28 21:39:42 lindi-: Having trouble getting it to stay booted into the OS long enough to issue that command Sep 28 21:39:51 sonic_baker: what OS is it? Sep 28 21:40:05 Qtopia Sep 28 21:40:30 sonic_baker: ok, never used that Sep 28 21:40:49 sonic_baker: it might not even include "om" Sep 28 21:41:02 Was trying to flash it back to something more simple to get it charged but can't get it to turn on without the USB plugged in so can't flash Sep 28 21:41:55 hey there. do you how can I disable the deep sleep mode in the neo?, please Sep 28 21:42:07 ftn: that entirely depends on the software you use Sep 28 21:42:38 I can only help with fso-frameworkd Sep 28 21:42:40 lindi- the thing is that I installed the latest shr-t and my phone doesn't ring when it's suspended Sep 28 21:45:16 ftn: does it go to deep sleep? Sep 28 21:45:28 lindi-: Got the command issued just before it died. It returned 270000. Is that familiar looking? Sep 28 21:46:10 sonic_baker: that means it is not charging Sep 28 21:46:16 sonic_baker: but instead consuming 270 mA Sep 28 21:46:38 ok, so would you know how I can make it charge? Sep 28 21:48:14 sonic_baker: does usb networking work? Sep 28 21:48:35 No, I've never got it working cause I'm on a mac Sep 28 21:48:51 The two devices seem to hate eachother Sep 28 21:50:11 sonic_baker: I think you need usb networking to be able to do anything realistically Sep 28 21:50:24 sonic_baker: consider installing gnu/linux to your mac Sep 28 21:50:33 lindi- sorry, it doesn't go to deep sleep modem but it won't keep registered: on the settings application, phone, gsm antenna is Off, and won't turn on Sep 28 21:50:51 lindi-: I have a live CD I can use Sep 28 21:51:08 Do you know what I need to do if I can get it going? Sep 28 21:51:13 ftn: if it does not go to deep sleep then disabling deep sleep mode won't help Sep 28 21:51:35 sonic_baker: well no, I can't guess the problem without any info Sep 28 21:51:51 ok, understandable Sep 28 21:51:56 sonic_baker: especially since I have never used qtopia... Sep 28 21:52:46 yeah. If I could only get it to charge a little. It just seems to shut itself off. Do you know if it charges the battery during the boot menu? Sep 28 21:55:15 sonic_baker: u-boot by default only draws 100 mA and consumes more than that.. Sep 28 21:56:19 so I'm screwed then I guess. Unless I can get it to draw more Sep 28 21:56:52 I have a patch to make it draw more :) Sep 28 21:57:47 http://iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/u-boot-force-charging1.patch is very hacky but works for me Sep 28 22:05:44 lindi-: Ok. I've never worked with patched before. How can I use this? Sep 28 22:08:33 sonic_baker: what OS do you use on your PC? Sep 28 22:08:51 Mac 10.5 Sep 28 22:09:32 sonic_baker: then I can't help much sorry Sep 28 22:09:50 ok, I have a linux machine in work though Sep 28 22:19:48 Debug Board successfully used to flash something else: https://irgendwasistjaimmer.in-kiel.de/iwiji/index.php?/archives/23-How-to-flash-a-new-CFE-into-your-bricked-Netgear-WGT634U.html **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 29 02:59:57 2010