**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 14 02:59:57 2010 Oct 14 03:30:24 whats with SHR-u these days, it hasn't had an update in a while Oct 14 05:30:43 pabs3: read ML about tests images Oct 14 09:18:54 I couldn't mount nSD card with SHR - could someone help out? Oct 14 09:21:41 you forgot to post the error Oct 14 09:24:35 "df" shows me: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on Oct 14 09:24:38 /dev/root 252544 249932 2612 99% / Oct 14 09:24:41 devtmpfs 62976 164 62812 0% /dev Oct 14 09:24:43 none 62976 164 62812 0% /dev Oct 14 09:24:46 shmfs 62976 0 62976 0% /dev/shm Oct 14 09:24:48 tmpfs 62976 1244 61732 2% /var/volatile Oct 14 09:24:51 tmpfs 62976 0 62976 0% /dev/shm Oct 14 09:24:53 tmpfs 62976 0 62976 0% /media/ram Oct 14 09:24:56 volatile 62976 1244 61732 2% /var/volatile Oct 14 09:25:09 * Kamping_Kaiser slaps michelk about with a filleted trout Oct 14 09:25:17 please don't paste in here. Oct 14 09:25:23 and thats _still_ not an error :) Oct 14 09:29:41 ~pastebin Oct 14 09:29:42 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Oct 14 09:35:06 ok thanks Oct 14 10:58:31 hi there. i'm slightly offtopic but i don't know where to ask : i'm looking for insights about UMTS infrastructures, any clue (website, channels, even bare keywords are welcome) Oct 14 11:16:07 case__: openbts source code? Oct 14 11:27:21 case__: Go to wikipedia, enter umts - there should be links to the standard. Oct 14 11:27:28 Do you have a particular case? Oct 14 11:27:34 err Oct 14 11:27:35 question Oct 14 11:27:48 long standard is long. Oct 14 12:41:21 lindi-: are u alive? Oct 14 12:41:35 adiblol: yep Oct 14 12:42:01 "What is a clean way to start answering-machine on boot as normal user?" is this question up to date? Oct 14 12:42:52 adiblol: sort of Oct 14 12:43:11 adiblol: i still don't know what's the clean way to start per-user daemons :) Oct 14 12:43:12 ok. Oct 14 12:43:39 su --command=answering-machine normal_user Oct 14 12:43:41 the only established practice is from the X world where a deamon is started when you login via gdm for example Oct 14 12:43:54 in /etc/rc.local Oct 14 12:44:01 adiblol: sure but rc.local can never be part of a package Oct 14 12:44:11 adiblol: by "clean" I meant something that could be used by others Oct 14 12:44:20 adiblol: something that could be included in the distro Oct 14 12:51:01 lindi-: man start-stop-daemon should help Oct 14 12:52:43 adapt the script /etc/init.d/skeleton and add --user normal_user to start-stop-daemon's cmdline Oct 14 12:54:33 adiblol: it's not exactly the way as it requires a user to log in. Oct 14 12:56:43 adiblol: sure but you can't hardcode "normal_user" to some package Oct 14 12:57:11 PaulFertser: hmm? surely init scripts will run even without logged in users? Oct 14 12:57:14 (i was talking about the dm way, and yes, using normal_user in init.d is also uncool) Oct 14 12:57:40 PaulFertser: yeah, dm way is a problem since it requires the user to login Oct 14 12:57:57 and also it does not handle logout/relogin nicely Oct 14 12:58:29 lindi-: if you can trade "on startup" to "check if daemon is running and run when necessary", you can use user's crontab. Oct 14 12:59:03 s/to/for/ Oct 14 12:59:05 PaulFertser meant: lindi-: if you can trade "on startup" for "check if daemon is running and run when necessary", you can use user's crontab. Oct 14 12:59:06 PaulFertser: sure but that sounds bit wrong Oct 14 12:59:22 Indeed Oct 14 13:15:32 lindi-: but where from will the starter script know the username if nobody is logged in? Oct 14 13:18:22 adiblol: one can use a special post-install script that asks which user to run as on startup or something. Oct 14 13:19:23 ... and will create /etc/default/answering-machine, with for example RUN_UID=normal_user inside Oct 14 13:19:50 then we can include it by ". /etc/default/answering-machine" Oct 14 13:20:31 and use $RUN_UID in start-stop-daemon's command line. Oct 14 13:22:50 I'm sure lindi- will find some downsides in this method but it sounds sane to me :) Oct 14 13:36:54 adiblol: PaulFertser: possible solution yes Oct 14 14:42:34 hackable:1 f^#&ed up by upgrade, which apt-based distro would you recommend for neo? Oct 14 14:44:38 SpeedEvil, ( and adiblol ) thanks for answering... my questions aren't answered by the WP page and i don't know if i will find them in the spec, It may depend of the carriers in fact... how large is a "cell" of the network? how many cell phone can connect in each cell? what total bandwith can a "cell" manage between these cell phones and the rest of the world (radio-bound or uplink bound?) Oct 14 14:49:52 It is found in the standard - the limits Oct 14 14:50:25 The real world depends on things like spectrum allocation, local spectrum managment, environment, and network planning. Oct 14 14:50:51 In lightly populated areas, for example, towers may be 10 or more km apart. Oct 14 14:51:17 In densely populated areas, well under a kilometer. Oct 14 14:51:45 http://openbsc.osmocom.org/trac/ Oct 14 14:51:48 may be of use to you Oct 14 14:52:36 cool thanks for the link Oct 14 14:53:21 Also - http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/ Oct 14 15:30:20 one week to submit something to the Mobile FOSS miniconf at LCA: http://mobilefoss.jamespurser.com.au/Call_For_Papers **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Oct 15 02:59:57 2010