**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 08 02:59:57 2010 Nov 08 15:00:09 just checked the uptime on my FR Nov 08 15:00:15 09:06:07 up 211 days, 13:48, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.22, 0.14 Nov 08 16:02:50 ndnihil: impressive. How is this device used? Nov 08 16:03:09 its pretending it's a cd changer Nov 08 16:03:18 s/its/it's/ Nov 08 16:03:18 ndnihil meant: it's pretending it's a cd changer Nov 08 16:03:21 * ndnihil stabs apt Nov 08 16:04:26 car2pc VAG specific adapter, tricks the OEM head unit in the audi into thinking a computer is a cd changer, one-off perl script to respond to head unit controls and play music Nov 08 16:05:05 used it for nav a couple times, but then I got the droid Nov 08 16:05:10 droid nav is quite nice Nov 08 16:05:52 FR hasn't been in the car for a couple months though Nov 08 16:06:12 took it out when I removed the glovebox to run wiring for a remote mount radar/laser detector Nov 08 16:06:18 just haven't thrown it back in yet Nov 08 16:06:37 brought it inside and plugged it into the hub, and it's been sitting there Nov 08 16:09:55 :) Nov 08 18:26:06 hi Nov 08 18:30:26 hello Nov 08 18:36:46 Broam: hey there Nov 08 19:39:22 gena2x: I confirmed it from the sales guy that its an A7. So, I guess the buzz problem won't be there ? Also, any clue about the battery problem ? Nov 08 19:41:44 alcy: it's backup battery, in mony cases for unknown reason . purpose of backup battery is to hold (rtc) clock while main battery is not installed or comletely discharged. remove/insert buttery is only method to reboot hang freerunner from time to time. Nov 08 19:42:32 alcy: so, recently some replacemet suggested for bubatt, and it seem working well Nov 08 19:43:30 gena2x: so nothing serious then ? :) ... also I hope I don't have to meddle with different SIMs, or do I ? Nov 08 19:44:26 alcy: you have to ungrade GSM firmware. i have no really big xp with sims problems, but somehow i think after upgrade all sims working. Nov 08 19:45:04 alcy: it depends on your definition of 'serious' Nov 08 19:45:42 alcy: for me it still has 'serious' issues - like 1 out of 50 hang in suspend. Nov 08 19:45:59 alcy: but it's usable. Nov 08 19:48:16 gena2x: good to know. hope I'll be able to do the upgrades smoothly. Nov 08 19:48:21 alcy: s/in mony cases for unknown reason ./in many cases it is not working for unknown reason/ Nov 08 19:48:43 alcy: it's not hard. if you have linux xp :) Nov 08 19:49:28 gena2x: is that a new distro ? :D Nov 08 19:49:37 alcy: i should warn you, i can only consider fr as a good pushcase if you want to do some development of learn embedded systems. Nov 08 19:49:51 alcy: ah, i meant xp==expierence :) Nov 08 19:51:25 alcy: i am really unsure how it is as 'just phone'. Nov 08 19:52:11 alcy: but would be interesting to see new user view. Nov 08 19:52:42 gena2x: ..I actually have no inclination of doing development, but just for the sake of having an open source phone, I want to buy it. And I hope its the only phone I will be using. Was just going through this mailing list post http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg56539.html :) Nov 08 19:53:19 gena2x: wanted to buy it when it came out, but then I didn't have a job and this thing was procey. Nov 08 19:53:30 s/procey/pricey Nov 08 19:54:29 alcy, heh, in Dec 2009 it were not usable as main phone. from my point of view. with current kernel - i am not sure, but now it is usable. Nov 08 19:55:11 gena2x: lol, it worked better for me as a phone in Dec 2009 than now. Nov 08 19:55:40 PaulFertser: you have different standards :) Nov 08 19:56:00 PaulFertser: and now you got n900 :) Nov 08 19:56:07 gena2x: i can't use as a phone altogether. Nov 08 19:57:25 it's usable as a phone now? Nov 08 19:57:28 :) Nov 08 19:57:53 i am using it as a main phone now and happy. Nov 08 19:58:23 it was my regular carry phone for a while Nov 08 19:58:33 back when it wasn't suitable for such a role apparently :) Nov 08 19:58:54 have to say though, the droid is nice Nov 08 19:58:59 as i told, Paul has different standards Nov 08 19:59:00 alcy: I have an A7 Nov 08 19:59:12 having the hardware keyboard makes a huge difference when you've got massive hands Nov 08 20:00:10 Broam: and, you share the same above opinion ? :) Nov 08 20:02:00 PaulFertser: i think, for $220, FR is not bad. Nov 08 20:02:47 alcy: i would prefer Dasher on my FR Nov 08 20:02:54 as keyboard input Nov 08 20:05:15 dasher requires you to stare fixedly at the device Nov 08 20:05:57 gena2x: i was always saying FR is actually good. Nov 08 20:06:05 gena2x: especially for its price. Nov 08 20:06:10 gena2x: never denied it. Nov 08 20:06:19 gena2x: and it's better as a phone than n900 even! Nov 08 20:06:27 gena2x: because n900 is not usable as a phone altogether. Nov 08 20:06:35 PaulFertser: no emacs? Nov 08 20:06:59 gena2x: no FSO, and ofono is just not ready and is not used by anybody, so no GSM telephony support. Nov 08 20:08:03 alcy: I do not have the suspend problem gena2x has. Nov 08 20:08:12 at least, I haven't noticed it Nov 08 20:08:21 SpeedEvil: yeah that's fine, I don't text & drive :D Nov 08 20:08:44 SpeedEvil: at least with a Free Software implementation there's room for multiple different keyboard methods Nov 08 20:08:51 Broam: cool. Nov 08 20:09:30 alcy: I have A7 in US. Reception is a slight issue Nov 08 20:09:45 large # of dead zones where only GSM 850 would be Nov 08 20:11:06 Broam: I guess I can't have too many testimonials from Indian folks, just hoping it to do fine. Nov 08 20:11:20 alcy: I'm not in India. I'm in the US Nov 08 20:11:49 alcy: just make sure you update GSM firmware to v11 Nov 08 20:12:03 and use latest distro Nov 08 20:12:19 btw suspend problem is really rare, once per week or two. Nov 08 20:12:38 gena2x: been using my phone for months, mostly in suspend... Nov 08 20:12:45 Broam: errm, yes. just emphasizing that I can't know what folks here in my country are experiencing ( regarding signal reception :) ) Nov 08 20:12:58 Broam: which kernel? i have it only with latest .34 Nov 08 20:13:01 alcy: You can look up GSM bands Nov 08 20:13:15 gena2x: I'm using qtmoko v26 so it's a .29 kernel I think Nov 08 20:13:44 yeah 2.6.29-rc3-v26 Nov 08 20:13:52 anyway, it's sorware fixable stuff. Nov 08 20:14:03 *software Nov 08 20:14:08 I still want #1024 fix Nov 08 20:14:53 oh, it's compilcated. (once again many thanks to PaulFertser who did it for me) Nov 08 20:15:29 how did battery life fare once you got it done? Nov 08 20:16:21 Broam: funny enough, i didn't measure. I am just connecting to to usb every evening. Nov 08 20:16:39 i can usually go 20-24 hours between charges Nov 08 20:16:46 most of that in suspend. I don't have a lot of people who call me. Nov 08 20:17:14 Broam: but sometimes, i forgot it somewhare and then i resume it - it still works :) Nov 08 20:18:27 it's nice when things work. :D Nov 08 20:23:46 now even my clock is not reset - so, i think no more really annoying bugs Nov 08 20:24:01 oh yeah, i need to put the capacitor in place of this battery Nov 08 20:24:07 * gena2x just happy Nov 08 20:26:41 n900 dies pretty quickly too. Nov 08 20:31:46 alcy: about how long? Nov 08 20:31:55 most smartphones have battery life of a diseased gerbil Nov 08 20:33:40 Broam: my dad was upset with it. he said not more than ~8-10 hours with normal usage (a bit of browsing, bunch of calls etc.). I used to do some browsing at night with almost a fully charged battery...and in the morning...surprise. Nov 08 20:33:49 * Weiss finds N900 quite good on battery life actually Nov 08 20:34:06 you're constantly using it, and the battery goes in 8-10 hours? That's pretty good for a really small laptop Nov 08 20:34:15 which is what the N900 is Nov 08 20:34:20 it lasts a day with 3G+Skype on the whole day, but with it turned off, it lasts about two days, possibly more Nov 08 20:34:43 you want 30 hours of talk time, you get a Candy Bar with the two most modern features in it being "text messaging" and "a color screen" Nov 08 20:34:47 (a day being morning->night, not all night as well) Nov 08 20:36:08 Weiss: are you using skype? :((( Nov 08 20:36:12 The FreeRunner has two ARM cores. One is the processor you run Linux on. The other is the GSM modem. Nov 08 20:36:17 skype hiss it burnses Nov 08 20:36:26 Broam: the third is inside GPS module. Nov 08 20:36:33 aha, three. Nov 08 20:36:51 I haven't gotten GPS to work w/ qtmoko. Worked great w/ SHR Nov 08 20:36:58 PaulFertser: yes, sorry :( Nov 08 20:37:21 it's not the worst IM system that I use though :(( (but I'm cutting down a lot on the other one) Nov 08 20:38:23 * PaulFertser thought skype is the worst in this world Nov 08 20:38:33 PaulFertser: i bet glamo has some kind of core too Nov 08 20:38:51 Broam: GPS? works well Nov 08 20:39:00 Broam: are you using u-boot? Nov 08 20:39:06 Broam: or qi? Nov 08 20:39:30 qi Nov 08 20:39:39 using qi from shr Nov 08 20:39:49 <[Rui]> gena2x: question for the experts: previously, touching the touchscreen when blanked would only unblank, now it also passes the mouse event WTH!!!!! Nov 08 20:39:54 i'm on nand too gena2x Nov 08 20:40:46 Broam: hm. may be this related to power-on kernel patch Nov 08 20:40:56 Broam: can you cat gps device? Nov 08 20:41:10 Broam: after resume, cat /dev/ttyS1 Nov 08 20:41:30 Broam: it should actually print some stuff. if not - this is power issue. Nov 08 20:41:31 gena2x: yeah, lemme do it now Nov 08 20:41:50 gena2x: going to lock screen & let system suspend normally Nov 08 20:41:58 Broam: and yeah, run nerongps Nov 08 20:42:16 Broam: or yes, power it on, cat /dev/ttySAC1 and suspend Nov 08 20:42:43 Broam: resume and check if something still comes from port Nov 08 20:44:38 it's not that...it's that I never get a fix Nov 08 20:44:42 [Rui]: damn. blank no idea how it is working, but probably this is not related to ts driver itself Nov 08 20:45:04 Broam: but can you see data on serial device? Nov 08 20:45:30 yeah I do see data on /dev/ttySAC1 Nov 08 20:46:01 just never get a fix. 45 minutes = no fix Nov 08 20:46:16 don't have an uSD card even inserted Nov 08 20:46:51 Broam: i only now expert in power :) Nov 08 20:46:59 <[Rui]> gena2x: no? Nov 08 20:47:15 gena2x: well, GPS isn't as important as GPRS. or BT. or phone Nov 08 20:47:30 Broam: for me - it is. Nov 08 20:47:58 gena2x: The fact that we're using the same device for 2 very different reasons is good for the community :) Nov 08 20:48:04 Broam: map itself is more important, but gps is nice thing to quick check position Nov 08 20:48:36 of course, 'quick' should be 'quick' :) Nov 08 20:49:20 not sure why there's no fix...usd clock should be off, right? Nov 08 20:49:51 Broam: here, it works well with clock Nov 08 20:50:15 Broam: and usd Nov 08 20:50:21 i mean the CLK signal for uSD card - wasn't there an issue w/ GPS fix & uSD? Nov 08 20:50:45 Broam: were some issue, but is was fixed long ago i thing Nov 08 20:50:50 *think Nov 08 20:51:16 by adding capacitor. don't really know, never faced it Nov 08 20:51:37 I see. Nov 08 20:51:52 I remember discussion about if uSD was in use it could affect getting the first fix Nov 08 20:51:57 Broam: what is your gps log? Nov 08 20:52:12 my log? Nov 08 20:52:38 Broam: cat /dev/ttySAC1 Nov 08 20:52:47 Broam: under clean sky Nov 08 20:53:06 Broam: i mean cat /dev/ttySAC1 >somewhere.log Nov 08 20:53:52 [Rui]: i'll try to reproduce your ts-unblank thing here in qtmoko Nov 08 20:54:52 ok I'll have to go outside... Nov 08 20:54:57 might be a few hours, I can get one to you tomorrow Nov 08 20:57:53 Broam: ok, i'll check ts unblank now and off for today Nov 08 20:57:57 anyway Nov 08 21:18:18 [Rui]: hm, really seem after 'xset dpms force standby' and pressing mouse, event passed to actual window. are you sure this were different? Nov 08 21:18:36 [Rui]: and same on desktop Nov 08 21:24:54 * gena2x off for today Nov 08 21:25:00 all good night Nov 08 21:43:46 hellomoko Nov 08 22:02:01 h hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 09 02:59:57 2010