**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 20 02:59:57 2010 Nov 20 02:59:58 good question. It's like 2 years ago I last time did that. I'd hope typing 'neo-ssh' on my laptop would do it for me :-P Nov 20 03:01:00 luke-jr: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/neo-ssh Nov 20 03:02:02 any idea how to install Android? Nov 20 03:02:07 their instructions are wrong Nov 20 03:02:09 or something Nov 20 03:02:44 FR seems to want a uImage file or something Nov 20 03:02:48 but the tar has none Nov 20 03:24:27 well since Android is hopeless… what should I try? Nov 20 03:48:42 SHR? Nov 20 03:48:49 QtMoko? Nov 20 03:49:18 sorry I only know SHR Nov 20 03:49:42 and it was comparatively nice a year ago Nov 20 03:50:01 can't have gotten much worse since :-P Nov 20 03:51:23 also maybe see /topic Nov 20 03:51:54 isn't #openmoko-debian sounding nice to you? Nov 20 09:52:11 so which phones on the market now are actually completely open source apart from the Freerunner? Nov 20 09:52:24 badcloud: is freerunner completely open? Nov 20 09:52:37 lindi-: I was under the impression that it was Nov 20 09:52:52 :P ? Nov 20 09:53:08 bah, I suck at emoticons Nov 20 09:53:16 badcloud: well it depends on what completely open means :) Nov 20 09:53:27 its the most open Nov 20 09:53:35 lindi-: open hardware, stacks, etc Nov 20 09:54:07 Defiant: what's not open about it then? Nov 20 09:54:14 badcloud: well some parts of the hardware schematics are under nda Nov 20 09:54:36 gms firmware is proprietary too, ootb Nov 20 09:54:47 badcloud: I'm not saying it's bad but you need to be careful when you make claims like that Nov 20 09:54:58 ah Nov 20 09:55:06 wlan, gsm and gps operating systems are all proprietary yes Nov 20 09:55:12 what, like glamo? Nov 20 09:55:19 just after a quick google Nov 20 09:56:23 lindi-: Hi :) have you tried radare? Or do you know a better tool? Nov 20 09:57:01 PaulFertser: I think I have tried it briefly yes Nov 20 09:57:30 PaulFertser: libdisarm and llvm machine instruction disassembler APIs are also promising Nov 20 09:58:47 lindi-: yes, but those are only APIs. And radare2 provides a real framework that have the opportunity to provide IDA-like experience it seems. Nov 20 10:01:24 PaulFertser: maybe I dismissed it since their arm stuff was not ready at that time Nov 20 10:03:29 lindi-: hm, i'm trying it now and though i experience some minor bug, overall impression is very good. Nov 20 10:09:24 badcloud: it's kind of hard to say what those nda'd parts really contain :) Nov 20 10:10:00 badcloud: but i think it's gsm stuff too Nov 20 10:11:20 gsm seems like a pretty big hurdle (even without knowing all the details) Nov 20 10:31:14 lindi-: how to rename lables/functions without radare? I mean imagine i understood the purpose of a particular function/label and i want to name it appropriately and to see that name everywhere it's used. Nov 20 10:43:17 badcloud: there is a gsm firmware replacement in the works: bb.osmocom.org/trac/ Nov 20 10:51:42 PaulFertser: sed? :) Nov 20 10:52:07 gena2x: not nearly as useable. Nov 20 10:53:31 pabs3: cool, thanks Nov 20 10:54:30 gena2x: radare seems to be a really nice stuff, even if not finished yet. Nov 20 10:56:14 PaulFertser: yeah, description look promising, thanks for link. Nov 20 10:57:44 gena2x: that's the hint GNUtoo gave me. For unknown reason i didn't find it during my googling session. Nov 20 10:59:35 <[Rui]> hi all Nov 20 18:20:43 <[Rui]> gena2x: it seems the white screen bug on unblank is back again Nov 20 19:15:07 hi Nov 20 20:22:03 is there a distro that *isn't* totally dead? Nov 20 20:22:27 luke-jr: debian? Nov 20 20:22:39 is Debian half-sane on FR? O.o Nov 20 20:22:48 * luke-jr has only used Debian with CLI Nov 20 20:22:49 shr-unstable Nov 20 20:22:56 luke-jr: depends on what sane means Nov 20 20:23:08 and even if I install KDE, i can't imagine FR has the RAM for it Nov 20 20:23:32 e17 is most popular DE for FR I think Nov 20 20:23:47 luke-jr: get real, you can install things like icewm too Nov 20 20:51:08 luke-jr: QtMoko isn't dead **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 21 02:59:58 2010