**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 24 02:59:59 2010 Nov 24 03:48:24 anyone interested in testing android froyo on their freerunner? Nov 24 03:48:48 i would, if my wife weren't currently using it... Nov 24 03:48:49 :) Nov 24 03:48:55 lol Nov 24 03:49:05 you can put it on the sd card to boot Nov 24 03:49:17 i mean sd-bootable version Nov 24 03:49:21 no install or anything Nov 24 03:49:23 YES!! Nov 24 03:49:25 http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/?p=17 Nov 24 03:49:27 oh yes plz Nov 24 03:49:39 rooly: optimized? Nov 24 03:49:45 undrwater, phtttt Nov 24 03:49:47 no Nov 24 03:49:49 optimized != deodexed right? Nov 24 03:49:50 just booting Nov 24 03:50:06 rooly: does it come with idiot-resistant instructions? I'm still amazed I got qtmoko to flash Nov 24 03:50:11 :D Nov 24 03:50:17 Broam, not really Nov 24 03:50:24 rooly: uboot will boot it? Nov 24 03:50:31 I'm using Qi Nov 24 03:50:32 i have 1.5 currently on sd... Nov 24 03:50:34 you need at least the 1st or 2nd partition of your sd card as ext2 or 3 Nov 24 03:50:51 still need fat? Nov 24 03:50:53 and just extract the tarball to it Nov 24 03:50:54 how big is the sad card required to be? i have a 4gb Nov 24 03:51:02 fat not necessary Nov 24 03:51:04 4gb ext2 partition coming up. Nov 24 03:51:07 awesome! Nov 24 03:51:12 Broam, looks like 256 minimum Nov 24 03:51:22 I am thankful I have nothing that small. Nov 24 03:51:29 i should add some instructions Nov 24 03:52:19 ok. Not that it matters, but I have an A7. Nov 24 03:52:49 you'll have trouble with lots of stuff Nov 24 03:52:53 this is merely for fun Nov 24 03:53:03 * undrwater is ready to have fun Nov 24 03:53:03 's fine Nov 24 03:53:13 my main android phone is still on 1.6 Nov 24 03:53:19 hmm..."take ownership of file system" thanks for being specific palimpsest Nov 24 03:53:31 I want root to own this right? Nov 24 03:53:44 * Broam guesses. Nov 24 03:54:15 Broam, sure, but its all the same really Nov 24 03:54:18 the permissions are 777 Nov 24 03:55:36 gotta toss the SD card, has errors Nov 24 03:56:56 ok Nov 24 03:57:06 post updated with some meager instructions Nov 24 03:57:13 grr... Nov 24 03:57:17 I appreciate it Nov 24 03:57:31 untarred into sd card...found it had an extra directory Nov 24 03:57:53 oh? Nov 24 03:57:55 hmm. maybe it's the usb2 on this box. usb1 works Nov 24 03:57:59 i make a mistake on packaging? Nov 24 03:58:03 rooly: btw, i haven't seen you on for quite a while Nov 24 03:58:08 been busy Nov 24 03:58:21 rooly: "mistake" is strong Nov 24 03:58:23 also laptopless for a while Nov 24 03:58:33 it's just easier to untar directly to the dir Nov 24 03:59:14 it should boot just fine Nov 24 03:59:20 be patient, it's slow as molasses Nov 24 03:59:41 might get usb errors, no idea what that is. Nov 24 03:59:56 undrwater: seems like `mv * ..` did the trick for me Nov 24 04:00:53 kk Nov 24 04:01:02 i swear, this was a bitch to compile Nov 24 04:01:04 took me 3 days Nov 24 04:01:06 my wife may be on the phone for a while. Nov 24 04:01:49 lol. i can't use the fr anymore. people complain to much, my screen is cracked, gps is broken, battery life is not as good as it once was, etc Nov 24 04:02:13 rooly: where's the kernel? Nov 24 04:02:15 I went get a candy bar last night Nov 24 04:02:38 undrwater, iunno, i just packaged it with the scripts available Nov 24 04:02:55 my screen is fine...gps is down in qtmoko, but worked in SHR Nov 24 04:03:06 as for battery...once I get someone with less shaky hands to fix #1024 Nov 24 04:03:17 I might be able to go 2 days without plugging it in. :) Nov 24 04:03:31 undrwater, is it not booting? Nov 24 04:04:02 no...can't find kernel...may need to rename it based on my uboot settings Nov 24 04:04:12 using uboot? Nov 24 04:04:17 yes Nov 24 04:04:24 ah, well i can't help there Nov 24 04:04:39 but...do you know where the kernel is located? Nov 24 04:04:45 actually, no Nov 24 04:04:51 going check if i missed something Nov 24 04:05:16 rooly: I'll boot it w/ qi once my wife finishes her call. It's with her sister, about holiday gifts, so you have time to dig for that kernel :) Nov 24 04:05:29 there are some other froyo builds...maybe i can grab one of them Nov 24 04:06:07 ah, woops Nov 24 04:06:10 kernel didn't package Nov 24 04:06:12 sorry Nov 24 04:06:20 :D Nov 24 04:06:28 that'll cause some problems :) Nov 24 04:06:33 see you next week? Nov 24 04:06:46 lol, going pull it from the build i have running Nov 24 04:06:52 i'll have it up in a few mnutes Nov 24 04:06:53 so... Nov 24 04:07:00 this is an SD build of android, with nothing to boot... Nov 24 04:07:07 * Broam checks the date Nov 24 04:07:14 Nope, not April 01 :) Nov 24 04:07:48 Broam: what is your wife talking on? shr? Nov 24 04:07:59 undrwater: qtmoko v26. the FR is daily phone Nov 24 04:08:09 qtmoko v26 is nice Nov 24 04:08:14 and became very much more so once I got BT working Nov 24 04:08:15 it doesn't...ya know...die Nov 24 04:08:17 Broam: which kernel? Nov 24 04:08:32 undrwater: stock w/ v26, probably the old 29 series Nov 24 04:08:46 undrwater: I'm not sshing into my phone while she's talkig on it. that would be rude Nov 24 04:08:52 plus I don't think wifi's up Nov 24 04:08:58 .3x kernels seem to be a nightmare for the fr Nov 24 04:09:04 ok, this is odd Nov 24 04:09:13 it'll get fixed Nov 24 04:09:14 * rooly swears his boots Nov 24 04:09:16 until them, I stick with .29 Nov 24 04:09:32 Broam: i've done that...ssh into phone while on it Nov 24 04:09:47 lol Nov 24 04:09:51 * rooly has too Nov 24 04:09:56 I have not yet, thankfully Nov 24 04:09:59 mind you, I was the one on it Nov 24 04:10:02 speakerphone or soemthing Nov 24 04:10:02 right Nov 24 04:10:10 no problem actually... Nov 24 04:10:19 handled it quite nicely Nov 24 04:10:21 My one annoyance with qtmoko v26 is that with my current bt headset, only "Handsfree" works not "headset" and post-suspend it always connects "headset" which does not work Nov 24 04:10:35 I need to figure out how to tell it to always use the right profile Nov 24 04:11:03 * rooly <.< Nov 24 04:11:21 however once it's connected it's great. Nov 24 04:11:33 okay, well... Nov 24 04:11:42 kernel doesn't seem to be there Nov 24 04:11:45 this is really weird Nov 24 04:12:31 Broam: did you have to do any tweaking to get handsfree to work? and does handsfree work on a headset, or is it actually handsfree? Nov 24 04:13:01 undrwater: The physical BT headset (Plantronics 220) supports both Headset & Handsfree profiles Nov 24 04:13:04 once I connect using Handsfree profile, everything works Nov 24 04:13:11 (except voice dialing, but I expected that) Nov 24 04:13:32 if I try headset profile, it fails to connect every time. I'd get logs, but I don't know where I'd get them from...and...wife using. Nov 24 04:14:06 Handsfree profile is superset of Headset profile, so I *want* handsfree Nov 24 04:15:28 got it :) Nov 24 04:15:56 yeah. The Plantronics 220 is a decent cheap BT headset Nov 24 04:16:19 microusb to charge, works w/ freerunner, pairs quickly, audio quality isn't the best but I'm understandable Nov 24 04:16:25 okay, well Nov 24 04:16:34 i don't know what happened Nov 24 04:16:43 rooly: did you fix it, whatever it was? Nov 24 04:16:43 i'll repost this in a few minutes when this build finishes Nov 24 04:16:53 Broam, looks like the kernel.img just wasn't in the package Nov 24 04:16:56 so it won't boot Nov 24 04:16:56 oh good, the compile did't take 3 days. Nov 24 04:17:01 I was going to admire your dedication. Nov 24 04:17:11 rooly: yeah that'd be an issue. :D Nov 24 04:17:12 Broam, nah, the compile takes about 3 hours from scratch Nov 24 04:17:25 sounds like a way to fill up a saturday night Nov 24 04:17:41 (that's on my i7 with make -j 16 Nov 24 04:17:43 ) Nov 24 04:18:25 16!! Nov 24 04:18:38 8 virtual cores, yeah Nov 24 04:18:42 so did you find the image to compile? Nov 24 04:19:04 didn't know we were up to that Nov 24 04:19:13 the problem was pulling down the repo and setting up the build environment Nov 24 04:19:25 i've got it repackaged Nov 24 04:19:32 i'm stuck in athlon xp days Nov 24 04:19:41 i'm just finishing this build and i'll re-repakcage it Nov 24 04:20:11 I'm on amd athlon 1.1Ghz undrwater Nov 24 04:20:12 got you beat :D Nov 24 04:20:33 just by a bit! Nov 24 04:20:43 what are you running on it? Nov 24 04:20:55 Ubuntu 10.04 Nov 24 04:21:19 1G ram, ATi 9550 AGP (w/ free drivers). I have spinny cube desktop going on this thing Nov 24 04:21:53 for some reason the install script requires rsync Nov 24 04:22:00 ati's free drivers do 3d? Nov 24 04:22:11 this is the much-lauded R300 chipset Nov 24 04:22:36 so if you think it might be important, you may want to rsync the files to the sd card Nov 24 04:23:45 nah, we'll try it untarred Nov 24 04:23:54 indeed Nov 24 04:23:54 assuming i get my phone back tonight Nov 24 04:23:59 lol Nov 24 04:24:24 what does the wife think of the freerunner? Nov 24 04:25:01 * rooly has an i7 920 or someodd, running at 1.6 per core with 4GB ram Nov 24 04:25:14 4 hardware cores with hyperthreading each Nov 24 04:25:51 rooly: and what are you running on that machine? Nov 24 04:26:04 undrwater: she hates it Nov 24 04:26:10 that's why her using it is sort of a novelty Nov 24 04:26:18 it's the Euro version, and I'm in the US. Nov 24 04:26:23 ahh Nov 24 04:26:29 not doing one of the primarily used bands is sort of damning. Nov 24 04:26:37 what's diff about the euro version...more bands iirc Nov 24 04:26:47 GSM-850 is very prevalent here. I hit 4 dead spots on my commute. Granted it's 75 minutes usually Nov 24 04:27:07 i see...so there's no 850 on that device Nov 24 04:27:11 Euro does 900, 1800, 1900. US does 850, 1800, 1900. Quad-band phones were not that common when FR was made, apparently Nov 24 04:27:15 right Nov 24 04:27:34 or regulatory certification was more expensive for quad-band, I dunno Nov 24 04:27:40 ok Nov 24 04:27:48 but if you wanted all the manuf fixes, A7 revision ONLY came in Euro bands Nov 24 04:27:56 my wife wondered why i spent $450 on a phone that didn't work ;) Nov 24 04:28:03 I spent $300 Nov 24 04:29:26 i bought first shipment Nov 24 04:30:17 Rockin'. Nov 24 04:30:23 how many times have you torn it apart to solder it? Nov 24 04:30:27 err Nov 24 04:30:29 weird Nov 24 04:30:35 apparently my build was a bit off Nov 24 04:30:36 i sent it in once for buzzfix Nov 24 04:30:40 re-uploading Nov 24 04:30:45 i'll tell you gusy when to go get it Nov 24 04:30:53 okie Nov 24 04:31:54 undrwater: scariest thing I did to my FR was flash modem to moko11 Nov 24 04:32:40 yep...same here Nov 24 04:32:42 and that's cake by soldering standards Nov 24 04:33:14 no...scariest thing was dropping it from car window into rain puddle Nov 24 04:33:40 oh yeah, there was the time I dropped it in the toilet at South East Linux Fest this year Nov 24 04:33:47 heheh Nov 24 04:33:48 but it was in the camera case I bought for it Nov 24 04:33:55 mine was naked Nov 24 04:34:00 came out OK Nov 24 04:34:01 I saluted that case. And then threw it away. Nov 24 04:34:06 the phone didn't get wet. Nov 24 04:34:13 lost my stylus, though. Nov 24 04:34:29 still. $15 case or $300 phone? I'll lose the case Nov 24 04:34:31 the pen one with the laser? Nov 24 04:34:37 no, just the one that ships with it Nov 24 04:34:41 okay guys Nov 24 04:34:43 hit up that link Nov 24 04:34:45 http://rooly.g0dsoft.com/?p=17 Nov 24 04:34:46 rooly: ok. Nov 24 04:34:50 mine shipped with a laser pen Nov 24 04:35:18 they got cheap by A7 then :( Nov 24 04:35:47 yeah Nov 24 04:35:53 maybe so Nov 24 04:36:17 this is so much easier to flash than my current phone though :P Nov 24 04:37:31 there's the kernel! :) Nov 24 04:37:43 there ya go Nov 24 04:37:49 can you nuke that froyo-sd-pkg directory? Nov 24 04:37:51 in the future Nov 24 04:38:04 yeah, sure Nov 24 04:38:15 thanks. untarred to SD. Nov 24 04:38:19 now...we wait. Nov 24 04:39:36 downloads done? Nov 24 04:39:43 yes...syncing now Nov 24 04:39:45 re-submitting Nov 24 04:40:01 yep Nov 24 04:40:34 i guess i can get a copy of cupcake built too Nov 24 04:41:59 but that'll take another 3 days Nov 24 04:42:08 i'll do it when i go on turkey break Nov 24 04:42:10 is cupcake going to be harder better faster stronger on the FR because it's less compex? Nov 24 04:42:27 cupcake is actually slower than froyo Nov 24 04:42:34 rooly: then not interested. :D Nov 24 04:42:37 froyo just isn't optimized for the freerunner yet Nov 24 04:42:40 rooly: you working w/ #replicant guys? Nov 24 04:42:45 ...no... Nov 24 04:42:57 they're trying to do FAIF Android Nov 24 04:43:10 what i mean to say is froyo is better than cupcake in all ways Nov 24 04:43:15 rooly: cool. Nov 24 04:43:18 have to rename kernel Nov 24 04:43:20 don't bother with the cupcake. Nov 24 04:43:24 it just isn't optimized yet like cupcake is Nov 24 04:43:26 undrwater: for uboot or qi too? Nov 24 04:43:36 rooly: ahh. Nov 24 04:43:43 Broam: just for uboot...cause that's how i have it set up Nov 24 04:43:49 kernel name must be uImage.bin Nov 24 04:43:59 undrwater, why not just link it? Nov 24 04:44:11 i suppose i could throw a symlink to it in the folder Nov 24 04:44:39 or that :) Nov 24 04:44:43 and done Nov 24 04:44:51 but i'm NOT reuploading this again Nov 24 04:44:52 not necessary...ppl change their uboot env's Nov 24 04:45:10 i never did Nov 24 04:45:12 hard link it Nov 24 04:45:50 rooly: I'll post my response in a comment on your blogopost. Bed time is approaching and conversation sees no hope of ending. Nov 24 04:45:51 starting kernel... Nov 24 04:46:05 Broam, kk Nov 24 04:46:36 can't access tty: job control turned off Nov 24 04:47:01 preceded by: ANDROID sh: Nov 24 04:47:33 well it did boot in its defense Nov 24 04:48:23 so, no luck undrwater? Nov 24 04:48:59 nope... Nov 24 04:49:06 :( sorry Nov 24 04:49:06 yes...it booted :) Nov 24 04:49:12 in its defense Nov 24 04:49:23 nvm...i've got splash Nov 24 04:49:33 so you didn't patient like i said Nov 24 04:49:38 right! Nov 24 04:49:40 :) Nov 24 04:49:45 to assume...etc... Nov 24 04:49:56 anyway...dialog box open now with choice... Nov 24 04:50:13 defaultactivity Nov 24 04:50:20 choice is provision or sdksetup Nov 24 04:50:25 provision Nov 24 04:50:32 sdksetup don't work Nov 24 04:50:39 at least, every time i've ever tried Nov 24 04:50:53 you're gonna have to be ULTRA patient for it Nov 24 04:51:03 just plug it in and let it sit there Nov 24 04:51:17 i see notification bar.. Nov 24 04:51:23 ohhh...nice!! Nov 24 04:51:29 the screen is probably black Nov 24 04:51:30 adw is up Nov 24 04:51:33 or blocky Nov 24 04:51:50 not too bad, actually Nov 24 04:51:59 you'll have to get into the settings app and turn off animations and maybe turn on orientation Nov 24 04:52:38 how are hardware keys mapped? Nov 24 04:53:06 power-press = menu, power-hold-short = home, power-hold-long = power Nov 24 04:53:35 aux is back Nov 24 04:53:47 aux-short = back, aux-long = long-press home Nov 24 04:54:30 holy crap, live-wallpapers work Nov 24 04:55:47 market? Nov 24 04:57:24 none, not an official google-sanctioned build Nov 24 04:58:30 wifi? doesn't seem to want to turn on Nov 24 04:58:58 rotation works well Nov 24 04:59:00 hmm, wifi is working fine here Nov 24 05:00:42 do you have your sim card in? Nov 24 05:00:47 nope Nov 24 05:01:12 not connecting for you? Nov 24 05:01:23 not even turning on Nov 24 05:01:40 i'll try rebooting Nov 24 05:01:41 don't worry Nov 24 05:01:47 i doubt it'll connect Nov 24 05:01:54 you don't have sound anyway Nov 24 05:01:57 or vibrate Nov 24 05:03:29 ahh Nov 24 05:03:52 no gsm sound either? Nov 24 05:04:04 highly doubtful Nov 24 05:04:36 fyi, animations were turned off by default Nov 24 05:04:48 oh? they stay turned on in mine for some reason Nov 24 05:05:47 no tty error this time Nov 24 05:07:21 have you tried adb? Nov 24 05:07:26 nope Nov 24 05:08:56 not finding device Nov 24 05:09:27 you have to use usb networking + ADB_HOST=192.168.0.202 Nov 24 05:09:33 i may need to update Nov 24 05:09:48 set up usb networking over linux for usb0/eth1 Nov 24 05:10:07 i'm using adb for my android phone...is it different? Nov 24 05:10:09 then use "ADB_HOST=192.168.0.202 adb device" Nov 24 05:10:28 the problem is that freerunner uses a modified emulator device Nov 24 05:10:34 which doesn't play well with adb Nov 24 05:10:47 ahh Nov 24 05:10:52 wireless works now Nov 24 05:12:36 keyboard is painfully slow Nov 24 05:12:41 yes, it is Nov 24 05:13:22 everything will speed up when it gets optimized Nov 24 05:13:26 well...if Nov 24 05:14:16 yeah...if Nov 24 05:14:50 are you using wep on your AP? Nov 24 05:15:01 nope, open Nov 24 05:15:07 i keep my network open to keep it simple Nov 24 05:15:45 i used to... Nov 24 05:17:31 does BT turn on for you? Nov 24 05:17:50 lets go check Nov 24 05:21:24 nope Nov 24 05:25:56 hrm...there were some other froyo for freerunner files floating about...but can't find now Nov 24 05:27:19 the guys' server is down Nov 24 05:27:26 they work even worse than this one Nov 24 05:27:31 this is theo nly version that has working wifi Nov 24 05:29:00 okay, going to bed Nov 24 05:29:17 there's your build. easy enough to pick and choose your boot Nov 24 05:29:18 ttyl Nov 24 05:30:58 thanks! Nov 24 05:30:59 :D Nov 24 06:23:17 howdy Nov 24 14:40:26 hi, ich möchte fürs Openmoko GTA2 eine Distribution mitsamt Kernel selbst compilieren. Hab jetzt auch schon einiges ausprobiert, scheitere an einigen stellen aber immer mal wieder. Deshalb dachte ich mir, ich frag hier mal. Nov 24 14:40:30 Konkret meine Frage: Welche Distribution lässt sich Eurer Meinung nach am leichtesten komplett aus dem Source erzeugen bzw. bei welcher ist dafür entsprechen die Doku am besten und welche howtos (gerne welche, die sich nicht so leicht ergooglen lassen) sind dafür empfehlenswert? Nov 24 14:41:12 FelixJongleur: any chance you write your question in a more common language? Nov 24 14:41:47 oops ... thought this was openmoko.de ... sorry... ok one moment Nov 24 14:46:19 I'd like to compile my own openmoko distribution, kernel inclusive for some reason. I've tried a view things, but get stuck from time to time. Nov 24 14:46:23 my question is, which distribution is the easiest one to build from scratch and which howtos would you recommend? i only need a console, just want to change a few things, so most distributions would satisfy my needs. Nov 24 14:46:59 FelixJongleur: if you're after cross-compiling, then SHR/OE most probably. Nov 24 14:47:25 FelixJongleur: does it not satisfy you? Nov 24 14:50:02 I want to patch the kernel to use the spi interface to connect the openmoko with an fpga... as I got a kernel patch for this from a former openmoko developer, I think this won't work out of the box. so it doesn't yet satisfy me ;) Nov 24 14:50:30 FelixJongleur: kernel compilation procedure is easy with any distribution Nov 24 14:51:03 FelixJongleur: to compile a kernel all you need is any arm toolchain. Nov 24 14:51:33 FelixJongleur: in shr, you have to recompile world to get userspace Nov 24 14:52:01 FelixJongleur: debian probably may be easiest for development Nov 24 14:52:18 FelixJongleur: but kernel is same everywhere Nov 24 14:57:46 do I have to compile my distribution at the kernel or can I combine any kernel with any distribution-binary? (extract tar.gz, exchange kernel-image and modules, build jffs2, flash kernel and rootimage, done). I think this won't be that easy, will it? Nov 24 14:58:55 not really all Nov 24 14:59:15 but any v29 kernel to any v29, or any v34 to any other v34 Nov 24 15:00:49 just install any distro to sd or nand. for nand, copy you modules to nand, do depmod -a while booted in, reboot, flash your new kernel via u-boot Nov 24 15:01:11 for sd, just copy kernel and do depmod as with usual linux Nov 24 15:02:27 thx Nov 24 16:06:52 hi Nov 24 17:12:04 PBeck: damn your auto-"hi" Nov 24 17:12:24 makes me keep peeking into this channel to see if someone actually said something interesting Nov 24 17:12:28 :P Nov 24 17:12:57 PBeck: but anyway, *hi*, how are you? :) Nov 24 17:13:05 badcloud: it's only a trick to get more publicity ;) Nov 24 17:13:32 PBeck: haha, it's working then ;) Nov 24 17:13:48 thanks :) Nov 24 17:14:01 Hey guys, sd-bootable android froyo here. anyone wanna try it? No sound, no vibrate, no gsm, but it does have wifi and is sd-bootable Nov 24 17:14:09 it was hard work to create such a system :) Nov 24 17:14:36 PBeck: really?? Nov 24 17:14:52 rooly: sorry, not very tempting, considering I use mine as a daily phone Nov 24 17:15:03 but thanks for the offer just the same Nov 24 17:15:03 kk Nov 24 17:15:31 yeah of course - many statistic, many tests and then at the end i have the mass controll system, only when i say - hi :> Nov 24 17:16:17 I'm sure you'll find someone interested, as there are probably less fr/1937 owners which use theirs as dailies than for every other type of usage Nov 24 17:16:38 such as software developing, etc Nov 24 17:16:53 PBeck: ah Nov 24 17:22:19 rooly: how fast froyo? Nov 24 17:22:32 not very Nov 24 17:38:45 not extremely slow either Nov 24 17:38:52 pretty acceptable Nov 24 17:39:02 assuming everything worked :) Nov 24 20:54:01 hello Nov 24 20:56:27 'lo Nov 24 20:57:44 je recherche le moyen d'installer neotool sur ubuntu 10.10 le script http://users.on.net/~antisol/neotool m'affiche Nov 24 20:57:57 neotool.sh: 2: VERSION: not found Nov 24 20:57:58 neotool.sh: 24: r�f�rences: not found Nov 24 20:57:58 neotool.sh: 52: settings_file: not found Nov 24 20:57:58 neotool.sh: 54: find_dfu: not found Nov 24 20:57:58 neotool.sh: 25: Syntax error: "&" unexpected Nov 24 20:58:45 you're using ubuntu? Nov 24 20:58:56 yes i Nov 24 20:59:02 i believe there's a neotool deb Nov 24 20:59:23 let me see if there's a difference in my neotool Nov 24 21:00:09 you what you used linux distribution? Nov 24 21:00:42 i use gentoo Nov 24 21:01:43 ok Nov 24 21:03:07 thanks Nov 24 21:06:26