**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 07 02:59:58 2010 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 07 08:12:19 2010 Dec 07 11:29:50 :) Dec 07 15:14:32 hi Dec 07 15:16:28 how we use mobile bluetooth to play an audio device Dec 07 15:16:45 Jungar: what audio device? Dec 07 15:16:57 recorder Dec 07 15:17:01 tv Dec 07 15:17:08 vedio Dec 07 15:17:40 Jungar: what model? Dec 07 15:17:58 mobile? Dec 07 15:17:59 nokia Dec 07 15:18:09 Jungar: no, your tv? Dec 07 15:18:21 sony Dec 07 15:18:28 Jungar: you need to be a lot more specific than that Dec 07 15:18:39 Jungar: my sony tv does not support bluetooth Dec 07 15:18:52 look Dec 07 15:19:07 i am talking about the idea Dec 07 15:19:29 in mobile we have something Dec 07 15:19:33 like Dec 07 15:19:46 playing with blutooth Dec 07 15:20:57 conn.to audio acc Dec 07 15:23:14 lindi Dec 07 15:23:24 do u have an idea? Dec 07 15:24:27 do u know anything about that Risca? Dec 07 15:47:31 Jungar: have you tried reading "Manually using Bluetooth" on wiki.openmoko.org? Dec 07 16:00:33 Jungar: I don't understand what you are trying to do. what is "acc"? Dec 07 20:45:59 what if I can ping my fr from a windows box but can't ssh to it via putty? Dec 07 20:46:07 is there some step I overlooked? Dec 07 20:59:08 badcloud: what it told you then you tried to ssh? Dec 07 21:00:01 gena2x: holy crap, I can't remember Dec 07 21:00:22 I'll try again when I'm near the winbloze box and see if someone's here Dec 07 21:01:03 only possible reason from fr side is absence of ssh server Dec 07 21:01:28 but from client side this may be wrong keys or firewall for example Dec 07 21:02:03 dunno exactly about windows, but with linux this are possible reasons Dec 07 21:26:05 gena2x: thanks Dec 07 21:26:10 I'll find out more later Dec 07 21:39:05 gena2x: does new uboot fix resume flicker prob? Dec 08 00:33:10 Anyone here on T-mobile in the US? Dec 08 00:33:33 I'm wondering if I should switch to them from AT&T.... Dec 08 00:33:57 rozzin: i'm at&t...why switch? Dec 08 00:34:02 AT&T's been wasting more and more of my time, recently. Dec 08 00:34:14 customer service? Dec 08 00:35:31 They sent out a notice ~2 months ago, about how upcoming `network upgrades' due in December `may mean that my unknown phone stops working', and that I was eligible for a free phone just in case. Dec 08 00:35:44 That was on paper, in USPS mail. Dec 08 00:36:06 heheh Dec 08 00:36:36 sounds like marketing ploy Dec 08 00:36:42 I called the number on the letter, and asked them *what* exactly was going to happen in December (Dropping 1900 MHz? Dropping 850 MHz? Dropping GSM completely?), Dec 08 00:37:12 and the support guy said, "um, I *think* we're... *moving to 900 MHz". Dec 08 00:37:21 I said, "Oh, OK. That's interesting." Dec 08 00:38:19 The next morning, I thought, `I should see if I could get a more certain answer about, and find out which band is being `moved' if that's the case'. Dec 08 00:38:40 So, I called the general 611 support, since I'd left the paper at home. Dec 08 00:39:09 from moko? Dec 08 00:39:18 They said, `Um..., what? I don't know anything about any network changes or any notices being sent out to customers.' Dec 08 00:39:26 undrwater: Hm? Dec 08 00:39:33 nvm...go on Dec 08 00:40:51 `I wish they'd tell us when they do things like this, let me go ask around...' Dec 08 00:41:30 `OK, it looks like we're just *dropping* 1900 MHz'. Dec 08 00:42:18 But that was a `that's what my smart co-worker who usually knows more than I do said' answer. Dec 08 00:42:43 So, between the two of them, I took the answer as `uh, something about something with a "9" in it'. Dec 08 00:43:19 hehe Dec 08 00:43:31 But they assured me that they weren't dropping GSM, and in any case they'd still have at least one band active and I should be able to continue using any quad- or tri-band GSM phone(s) that I had. Dec 08 00:43:43 OK, great. Dec 08 00:44:32 So, come December (last week), I rebooted my FreeRunner so that I could swap in a pre-paid SIM that I'd bought, to keep it from expiring. Dec 08 00:46:25 Swapped the SIM back out to my usual one, went to work, and got a call from my wife on my *office* phone frantically asking, `What's wrong with your phone!? It doesn't even go to voicemail! It says you're `not taking calls' like service has been cut off, but the other lines on the plan are still working, WTF!? Thought you might have got in a terrible car-accident that exploded the phone or something!' Dec 08 00:46:56 So I tried calling her on my FreeRunner. Dec 08 00:47:07 And the AT&T intercepted the call. Dec 08 00:47:21 The routed it to a customer-service center instead. Dec 08 00:47:22 :/ Dec 08 00:47:48 Said, `ThankyouforcallingAT&T about our GREAT NEW OFFER ...'. Dec 08 00:48:19 So I said, `um..., yeah. I didn't call you, actually--you hijacked the call that I was trying to make to my wife. What's up with that?'. Dec 08 00:49:08 And the rep said, `Oh, you're not showing up in our system as having a Supported Phone, so we need to give you a new one.' Dec 08 00:49:53 Now, in between October and December, I'd taken the notice (and coupon!) that they sent me to the local AT&T Store. Dec 08 00:50:37 And I showed it to them, and I asked them: it says you guys want to give me a free phone, because you don't know if my current one will work after December. Dec 08 00:50:48 Insane Dec 08 00:51:38 And I said, `I'm pretty sure it will, since it's a tri-band GSM phone, and you're not dropping GSM entirely, just one band, right? But you can give me a new phone anyway if you want. Do you want to do that?' Dec 08 00:52:49 And the guys in the store said, of course, `We don't know what you're talking about. Hunh. Wish they'd tell us when they do these things. Looks like you have a legitimate coupon, though, so here's a free phone. And a $0.00 receipt just in case you need to return it or replace it under warranty.' Dec 08 00:53:14 So, back to the rep who received my intercepted call in December.... Dec 08 00:53:49 She says, `they must not have registered that phone with your account, since I don't see it. So, I need to send you another phone.' Dec 08 00:54:14 Ah - corporate efficiency. Dec 08 00:55:18 I told her, `I hve no intention of using whatever you send me, just like I have no intention of using the one that the guys at the store gave me. But, if you really want to keep giving me phones, whatever--just as long as I'm not going to be charged anything, I'm not going to have my contract renewed or extended, and the terms of my service aren't going to change.' Dec 08 00:55:46 I asked her if she could *just un-capture my line*. Dec 08 00:56:12 Nope, she said, they needed to send me a new phone so that something was actually registered with my account. Dec 08 00:56:22 She asks what I `want'. Dec 08 00:56:36 `you can send me whatever you want, so long as it meets all of those requirements I gave.' Dec 08 00:56:49 `You're gong to get a Pantech Breeze', she says. Dec 08 00:57:49 :) Dec 08 00:58:22 Then I get an e-mail that says, `thank you for your order from the AT&T store, you've ordered a new phone and new SIM; your order will included instructions for activating your new account, which you must do within 30 days or else you will be charged the retail value of the device and your account will be cancelled'. Dec 08 00:58:41 Silly people. Dec 08 00:59:05 So, that was Friday. Dec 08 00:59:42 I called the general support line at my first opportunity, today, Dec 08 01:01:48 and wasted an hour(+) figuring out wether it was possible to find out who, if anyone, was able to determine whether or when I was going to be charged for how many devices, and what I had to do to avoid being charged. Dec 08 01:03:18 Turns out..., they say, that *no*, there's no person or department capable of determining that. Dec 08 01:03:38 'The computer does it' Dec 08 01:04:01 Er, capable of determining whether there are pending contingent charges, let along how many. Dec 08 01:04:09 Yes, `it happens automatically'. Dec 08 01:04:26 The whole business is just run my SKYNET. Dec 08 01:04:58 The de-skilling of the people you can talk to is depressing. Dec 08 01:05:06 However, my options are: return the (second) phone to the store, just in case. Dec 08 01:05:28 OR: switch over to the automated system and press 1 to agree to the terms. Dec 08 01:06:13 Another hour or so was spent communicating that I would not be agreeing to any terms until I knew what they were, and finding out where those terms were documented. Dec 08 01:06:14 Do you actually have a set of terms to agree to? Dec 08 01:06:21 a Dec 08 01:06:22 h Dec 08 01:06:59 I suspect that they're buried somewhere in the novella-length, dual-language phone-manual. Dec 08 01:07:36 But the supervisor was ultimately able to tell me what search I should to on attwireless.com to find `the terms'. Dec 08 01:07:58 And it's just the usual book-length service-agreement. Dec 08 01:08:49 But they've already wasted something like $300 of my time on a $60-or-something phone. Dec 08 01:09:10 I should have just given up 15 minutes in. Dec 08 01:11:42 I'm really annoyed that the only way that I could have my line un-captured was to let myself be setup for this. Dec 08 01:11:49 :( Dec 08 01:12:25 So, that's why I'm considering leaving AT&T. Dec 08 01:13:56 I'm with t-mo - though in the UK Dec 08 01:14:04 which I understand is a rather different org Dec 08 01:14:32 I did software-design on some of their goddamn network equipment, I can figure out whether my phone is going to be compatible with their `upgraded' network--I just need to find someone inside AT&T who knows WTF they're talking about. Dec 08 01:15:43 I'm currently pissed off with the 'smart' learning rate adaption on my DSL Dec 08 01:15:45 So, I guess my question is: does T-Mobile at least tell their support staff what they're supposed to be supporting? Dec 08 01:16:12 my DSL is unreliable and will go to 160kbps from 2400 for a few mins. Dec 08 01:16:23 this causes it to learn down for 3 days Dec 08 01:16:25 argh Dec 08 01:16:43 They tell the customer service staff as little as possible, as it speeds training Dec 08 01:21:54 On the up side, I already spent the extra money to get everyone in my family unlocked phones :) Dec 08 01:22:25 So it shouldn't be a big hassle to migrate to T-Mobile. Dec 08 01:22:39 Oh, right--that was the *other* thing that came out of this conversation with AT&T: Dec 08 01:24:03 they want me to call them and tell them what `my phone's (singular) IMEI is' whenever I change phones, now. Dec 08 01:24:17 :/ Dec 08 01:25:25 I said, `Really? Are you telling me that I can't just go get a third-party phone, put my SIM card into it and use it anymore? That's the whole reason I went with AT&T, because I wasn't supposed to need to do that with GSM. If I wanted that kind of hassle, I'd have gone with Verizon'. Dec 08 01:26:03 Hopefully that's just AT&T's brain-damaged policy decision and not something the US government is making them do. Dec 08 01:26:27 Aweful lot of federally-mandated idiocy going on here, these days :\ Dec 08 01:32:15 Yes. Yiy can freely change phone? Dec 08 01:32:41 (at the moment - as long as you tell them IMEI) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 08 02:59:57 2010