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Jan 28 03:01:01 <linuxxr> wellp
Jan 28 05:48:16 <linuxxr> no recent activity on lists/community?
Jan 28 11:11:32 <tim_abell> help! my shr-u has just croaked. "phonefsod is not running" when launching settings. error calling StartServiceByName and more in log
Jan 28 11:11:43 <tim_abell> I really need my phone right now
Jan 28 11:11:58 <tim_abell> I haven't changed anything for days so I don't know why it should suddenly stop working
Jan 28 11:12:06 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: what happens if you try to start phonefsod from console?
Jan 28 11:12:14 <tim_abell> ...
Jan 28 11:12:28 <tim_abell> you mean with /etc/init.d/... start ?
Jan 28 11:13:05 <tim_abell> it responds started ok
Jan 28 11:13:48 <tim_abell> but when i re-run settings it still pops up the message
Jan 28 11:14:44 <tim_abell> i can't copy paste because i can't ssh to the phone from windows 7 64 bit. ndis driver doesn't seem to work
Jan 28 11:16:46 <tim_abell> first message in log is: phonefsod - warning failed to connect to /org/freesmartphone/device/idlenotifier/0 error calling startservicebyname for org.freesmartphone.odeviced: gdbus.error: org.freedesktop.dbus.error.spawn.childexited: launch helper exited with unkown return code 1
Jan 28 11:16:52 <tim_abell> man that was a lot of typing
Jan 28 11:17:19 <tim_abell> followed by the same for input, display and powersupply
Jan 28 11:17:40 <tim_abell> then a glib warning about overwiting error messages
Jan 28 11:17:59 <tim_abell> i think it knew i'd just posted an ad with my phone number on it
Jan 28 11:18:00 <tim_abell> ffs
Jan 28 11:18:31 <tim_abell> i'll be gutted if i have to give up on the freerunner and get a phone that actually works
Jan 28 11:18:50 <tim_abell> it's been so close for so long
Jan 28 11:18:56 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: looks liko fsodeviced not running
Jan 28 11:18:58 <tim_abell> but there's always something
Jan 28 11:20:02 <tim_abell> trying to start that first...
Jan 28 11:20:24 <tim_abell> ah, that's an improvement
Jan 28 11:21:03 <tim_abell> /etc/init.d/fsodeviced start; /etc/init.d/phonefsod start
Jan 28 11:22:02 <tim_abell> hrm. somethings still borked. the buttons don't work, and i can't slide the gsm antenna slider to on
Jan 28 11:22:08 <tim_abell> keeps jumping back
Jan 28 11:22:16 <tim_abell> oh looks like the daemon has died again
Jan 28 11:22:35 <tim_abell> nuts, i don't have time to sort this out now
Jan 28 11:22:52 <tim_abell> i'll have to boot into my other partition and put up with the bugs in that one instead
Jan 28 11:22:55 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: sorry...
Jan 28 11:22:57 <tim_abell> thanks for your help PaulFertser
Jan 28 11:23:25 <tim_abell> i really wish the devs had time to sort out a semi stable release for what's left of the userbase
Jan 28 11:23:41 <tim_abell> anyways, thanks again. laters
Jan 28 11:24:01 <tim_abell> i'd have got further with shr-t if i hadn't had complete failure of my hardware at home :(
Jan 28 11:24:09 <tim_abell> i currently have 0 working computers
Jan 28 11:24:19 <tim_abell> (this one isn't mine)
Jan 28 15:14:11 <PBeck> hi
Jan 28 20:37:26 <tim_abell> what are the odds of opkg upgrade on shr-u making my phone work again? (I'm running it now but have to go out in a moment)
Jan 28 20:37:47 <tim_abell> the phone was very nearly eject through the car window on the way home!
Jan 28 20:38:57 <tim_abell> btw thanks again for your help earlier PaulFertser, you have no idea what a difference it makes just having a friendly ear when it goes wrong and a couple of things to investigate
Jan 28 20:39:10 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: always welcome :)
Jan 28 20:39:40 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: but i'm not using SHR myself (i use FSO from git on Debian), so i'm unaware of all the details.
Jan 28 20:39:53 <tim_abell> that sounds hardcore :)
Jan 28 20:39:58 <tim_abell> how's it working out for you?
Jan 28 20:40:12 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: it is hardcore. And i use my own Emacs UI for telephony.
Jan 28 20:40:18 <tim_abell> lol
Jan 28 20:40:27 <tim_abell> don't think that'd work while i'm driving :)
Jan 28 20:40:48 <tim_abell> are you working on the code of fso?
Jan 28 20:41:01 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: no kidding, that's the only UI i use now. And exactly, i had to add a special hook to be able to pick up by pressing AUX hardware button while driving :)
Jan 28 20:41:24 <tim_abell> lol, Ctrl-AUX,Ctrl-Power shurley?
Jan 28 20:41:41 <badcloud> Emacs for making calls? that sounds wicked
Jan 28 20:42:01 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: (working on fso) no, but i support the effort by using it and trying to investigate problems looking through the code and debug logs.
Jan 28 20:42:07 <tim_abell> i have enough trouble using emacs to edit files let alone anything else :)
Jan 28 20:42:07 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: :D
Jan 28 20:43:06 <tim_abell> currently i'm trying to polish up a patch for better rename support for git in windows (blergh), but I hope to go back to trying to help with openmoko distros soon
Jan 28 20:43:08 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i had to learn elisp for that but surprisingly enough, writing that UI gave me a lot of fun, more than i usually received from my IT-related activities lately. 
Jan 28 20:43:36 <tim_abell> eek
Jan 28 20:43:44 <tim_abell> what's the usual IT activities?
Jan 28 20:44:17 <tim_abell> my day job is asp.net + visual studio, hence being stuck with windows
Jan 28 20:44:30 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: hm, random lurking, trying to sort out random bugs whenever i face them. And my dayjob is related to embedded stuff (avr, arms). 
Jan 28 20:44:51 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i like git a lot btw.
Jan 28 20:44:58 <tim_abell> git rules :)
Jan 28 20:45:24 <tim_abell> though I've been having interesting times with merges recently
Jan 28 20:45:38 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i think you need to ask mrmoku or someone else from shr to get the status update.
Jan 28 20:46:01 <tim_abell> fortunately it's dual boot with an older shr-u that I know more or less works
Jan 28 20:46:06 <tim_abell> so i'll just suck it and see
Jan 28 20:46:21 <tim_abell> the old one keeps forgetting the time which is a bit annoying
Jan 28 20:46:31 <PaulFertser> Reasonable
Jan 28 20:47:02 <tim_abell> and the reason it nearly went out the car window is for some reason it flat out refused to use the wired handsfree so I couldn't organise my evening during the (tedious) commute
Jan 28 20:47:06 <tim_abell> hey ho
Jan 28 20:47:13 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: we all have defective backup batteries, so time is not kept when the device is turned off.
Jan 28 20:47:16 <tim_abell> i dream of having a bluetooth handset again
Jan 28 20:47:35 <tim_abell> oh rly? funnily enough the other install does it fine
Jan 28 20:48:01 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: probably the other has working NTP.
Jan 28 20:48:13 <tim_abell> i had heard talk of the battery problem, but haven't seen the exact issue
Jan 28 20:48:27 <PaulFertser> Neither me. Nobody knows for sure.
Jan 28 20:48:37 <tim_abell> it would need network for that wouldn't it?
Jan 28 20:48:45 <PaulFertser> Sure. Or gps.
Jan 28 20:48:57 <tim_abell> yeah I've seen it correct from the gps, that's very cool
Jan 28 20:49:05 <tim_abell> sadly my old install doesn't
Jan 28 20:49:13 <tim_abell> gosh this is a long update
Jan 28 20:51:05 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: have you considered trying QtMoko?
Jan 28 20:51:31 <tim_abell> yeah tried it for quite a while
Jan 28 20:52:00 <PaulFertser> Some folks say it's really fast and usable nowadays.
Jan 28 20:52:03 <tim_abell> it was great until it silently discarded a load of incoming messages
Jan 28 20:52:11 <tim_abell> but that was a little while ago
Jan 28 20:52:24 <tim_abell> i might put a newer version on an sd card
Jan 28 20:53:09 <badcloud> tim_abell: they have udfu images
Jan 28 20:53:12 <badcloud> *fast*
Jan 28 20:53:34 <badcloud> they went from jffs2 to udfu in v30 I think
Jan 28 20:53:38 <tim_abell> what's udfu?
Jan 28 20:53:47 <badcloud> different image format
Jan 28 20:53:52 <tim_abell> oh right
Jan 28 20:53:59 <PaulFertser> I guess you mean ubifs.
Jan 28 20:54:04 <tim_abell> for the internal flash? or does it work on sd too
Jan 28 20:54:10 <PaulFertser> MTD-only
Jan 28 20:54:12 <badcloud> PaulFertser: ummmm, I suppose *blush*
Jan 28 20:54:14 <tim_abell> mtd?
Jan 28 20:54:23 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: nand flash and such.
Jan 28 20:54:26 <badcloud> right
Jan 28 20:54:28 <badcloud> ubi
Jan 28 20:54:32 <tim_abell> oh right. what does it stand for?
Jan 28 20:54:33 <badcloud> was looking at the qi image
Jan 28 20:54:52 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: ubifs is a newer cooler faster filesystem (comparing to jffs2)
Jan 28 20:54:59 <lindi-> with more bugs :)
Jan 28 20:55:02 <tim_abell> lol
Jan 28 20:55:04 <lindi-> whoops, sorry :P
Jan 28 20:55:18 <badcloud> lindi-: so far I haven't experienced any afaik
Jan 28 20:55:21 <PaulFertser> Yeah, doesn't like harsh reboots.
Jan 28 20:55:43 <badcloud> come to think of it, qpe.sh has force restarted quite a few times
Jan 28 20:56:03 <tim_abell> hrmph, phonefsod still borked, anyone fancy a quick troubleshooting session now i can actually copy-paste?
Jan 28 20:56:48 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: you can try starting fsodeviced from the terminal without the init script.
Jan 28 20:57:02 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: to see if it says anything interesting before dying.
Jan 28 20:57:06 <tim_abell> root@om-gta02 ~ # ps -A | grep fso
Jan 28 20:57:06 <tim_abell>   191 ?        00:00:00 fso-gpsd
Jan 28 20:57:06 <tim_abell>   217 ?        00:00:02 fsousaged
Jan 28 20:57:06 <tim_abell>   222 ?        00:00:01 fsogsmd
Jan 28 20:57:11 <tim_abell> k
Jan 28 20:57:18 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: ulimit -c unlimited
Jan 28 20:57:31 <tim_abell> what's ulimit?
Jan 28 20:57:39 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: to collect the core dump for the case it segfaults.
Jan 28 20:57:53 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: means set some parameters for userspace limits.
Jan 28 20:57:58 <tim_abell> root@om-gta02 ~ # fsodeviced 
Jan 28 20:57:58 <tim_abell> Aborting due to critical error:
Jan 28 20:57:58 <tim_abell> 'GLib <fsodevice.router_alsa>: file plugin.c: line 259: uncaught error: Expected 4 descriptor components, got 3 (fso_device_sound_error-quark, 3)'
Jan 28 20:58:27 <tim_abell> mean anything? certainly doesn't mean much to me
Jan 28 20:58:37 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: now you've got important info and so mrmoku or JaMa will fix it soon.
Jan 28 20:58:40 <tim_abell> I presume the openmoko doesn't have a subatomic sound system
Jan 28 20:58:46 <tim_abell> :)
Jan 28 20:58:49 <PaulFertser> :D
Jan 28 20:59:18 <tim_abell> right, i really do have to go now, thanks for your help and moral support
Jan 28 20:59:26 <tim_abell> any other output before i do a runner?
Jan 28 20:59:44 <PaulFertser> tim_abell: i guess that's enough for a start, good luck and drive safe :)
Jan 28 20:59:51 <tim_abell> k, thanks folks
Jan 28 21:00:06 <tim_abell> till next time... smoke me a kipper i'll be back for breakfast
Jan 28 21:34:21 <CyberDomovoy> hi
Jan 28 21:38:07 <CyberDomovoy> i received my freeruner today, and... it doesn't start anymore ^^ what i did: installed SHR unstable, too buggy, i decided to try testing. After the flash (qi, kernel and root), i unplugged my FR (it was off), then i discovered the power button didn't start it anymore... but i could get to the NOR uBoot, and booted from here, after SHR wizard, i shutted down the FR, and now it won't start, whatever i try, any idea?
Jan 28 21:39:30 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: what have you tried?
Jan 28 21:41:17 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: power button, aux+power, aux, and the same again, holding them for a long time (about 20sec)
Jan 28 21:42:19 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: which version of FR?
Jan 28 21:43:10 <CyberDomovoy> GTA02, from hackable-devices.org
Jan 28 21:43:11 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: (gta02v5 or gta02v7 -- the sticker should say I think?)
Jan 28 21:45:02 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: can't find it on the phone
Jan 28 21:46:02 <CyberDomovoy> i only have "Model: GTA02"
Jan 28 21:46:20 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: what does the datecode read?
Jan 28 21:46:35 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: It should be printed below battery
Jan 28 21:46:41 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: 20091117
Jan 28 21:47:01 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: ok then that is very probably   gta02V7
Jan 28 21:48:04 <CyberDomovoy> it's brand new, i was just starting to play with it :( hope there is a solution
Jan 28 21:48:15 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: I think either your battery is completely empty or you have broken your aux button
Jan 28 21:48:59 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: battery was full
Jan 28 21:49:06 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: remove the SD card, SIM card and battery. connect wall charger. then hold down AUX and press power for 3 seconds?
Jan 28 21:49:08 <CyberDomovoy> almost
Jan 28 21:50:01 <CyberDomovoy> worked!
Jan 28 21:50:53 <CyberDomovoy> but still not work with power button only...
Jan 28 21:51:13 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: your boot loader in NAND is probably just broken or wrongly configured
Jan 28 21:51:53 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: so, flash it again, and another version if still don't work?
Jan 28 21:52:03 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: do you have shell history so that we can check if you flashed it correctly?
Jan 28 21:52:11 <CyberDomovoy> yep
Jan 28 21:52:42 <CyberDomovoy> dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c6410-1.0.2-r1+gitr0+c38b062a609f1442e6a9e13005cfbdfd59a5ac0d.udfu
Jan 28 21:54:42 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: s3c6410 sounds wrong?
Jan 28 21:54:54 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: gta02 is s3c2442
Jan 28 21:55:30 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-testing/images/om-gta02/
Jan 28 21:55:33 <CyberDomovoy> got it here
Jan 28 21:55:48 <CyberDomovoy> i'll try s3c2442
Jan 28 21:55:59 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy:  the chipset is documented at  http://www.amebasystems.com/downloads/hardware/datasheets/freerunner/SoC/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf
Jan 28 22:00:16 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: starts well with 2442, thanks
Jan 28 22:02:57 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: I hope you learned something new :)
Jan 28 22:04:01 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: yes, never thought the boot manager could stop the device from starting, i was expecting at least some kind of bios or something
Jan 28 22:04:29 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: no non-free bioses here :)
Jan 28 22:04:51 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: boot loader is pretty much the "bios" here. it even enables your memory chips
Jan 28 22:06:16 <CyberDomovoy> lindi-: i didn't ever know that was possible :) i think i'll learn much with this stuff ^^ i'm also hacking my NAS, lot of fun is coming ;)
Jan 28 22:15:34 <CyberDomovoy> ?? can't find the underscore on the kayboard?
Jan 28 22:16:07 <lindi-> CyberDomovoy: what keyboard application is that?
Jan 28 22:16:36 <CyberDomovoy> ho, was in the caps set
Jan 29 01:56:45 <linuxxr> whats up with openmoko/lists?
Jan 29 02:11:57 <Broam> not sure linuxxr
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