**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 20 02:59:57 2011 Feb 20 14:59:12 i've just found out about the openmoko project, and it looks awesome! Feb 20 14:59:51 Eelis: prepare for the bugs :) Feb 20 15:00:15 do i understand correctly that the upcoming GTA04 device is basically supposed to be the savior of openmoko that everyone is now excitedly looking forward to? Feb 20 15:01:05 Eelis: well I'm carefully optimistic Feb 20 15:01:28 fair enough :) Feb 20 15:01:41 Eelis: but I'm quite happy with gta02 Feb 20 15:02:05 Eelis: and now there are a lot of different pieces of hardware that run somewhat free software Feb 20 15:04:30 i've only started reading about smart phones a day or two ago, and got pretty depressed when i read that the whole market seems to be dominated by telco's conspiring with phone makers and OS makers to subjugate users. so openmoko is a real breath of fresh air Feb 20 15:05:01 Eelis: openmoko was that, in 2008 :) Feb 20 15:05:58 well, i've been living under a rock ;) Feb 20 15:06:35 only have a super cheap dumb phone right now Feb 20 15:14:52 i've also been reading about a brand new project called IcedRobot, which (as far as i understand it) aims to port android to a standard GNU/Linux environment. would icedbox be the way to run android "apps" on an openmoko device? or is there a better way? Feb 20 15:15:22 s/icedbox/icedrobot/ Feb 20 15:16:19 Eelis: I guess but you can also install android natively to freerunner Feb 20 15:17:25 but that would then /replace/ openmoko linux, right? Feb 20 15:17:38 or can one dual boot? Feb 20 15:18:30 Eelis: openmoko linux? Feb 20 15:19:15 i'm just going by what is written here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openmoko ("Openmoko is a project to [...]. The first sub-project is Openmoko Linux, a Linux-based operating system designed for mobile phones") Feb 20 15:19:44 Eelis: don't trust wikis blindly :) Feb 20 15:20:02 so there's no such thing as openmoko linux? Feb 20 15:20:17 Eelis: there is but I don't think anybody is running it anymore Feb 20 15:20:23 oh, interesting Feb 20 15:20:27 Eelis: I run debian. many others run shr and qtmoko Feb 20 15:20:50 ah, i see Feb 20 15:21:49 hm, the qtmoko website appears to be down (Bandwidth Limit Exceeded) Feb 20 15:22:02 Eelis: yeah somebody mentioned it on slashdot today Feb 20 15:22:28 in any case, would it be possible to dual-boot between android and one of these distro's? Feb 20 15:23:34 Eelis: sure Feb 20 15:23:39 cool :) Feb 20 15:24:22 Eelis: I haven't seen many talk about android recently though Feb 20 15:27:25 i guess with dual-boot it'd be too much hassle to really use both it and a linux distro for day-to-day things. but with that icedrobot project you'll be able to run them concurrently, with android just being a regular program. so perhaps when that project matures, using both simultaneously will be more attractive Feb 20 15:34:03 lindi-: anyway, thanks a lot for answering my questions and fixing some of my misconceptions. you've been very helpful. Feb 20 15:34:36 maybe i'll get myself a shiny GTA04 when it's finished :) Feb 20 16:19:46 -bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: Input/output error Feb 20 16:19:59 htop / Bus error Feb 20 16:20:08 init 6 / Segmentation fault Feb 20 16:20:22 wtf is doing? Feb 20 17:02:01 adiblol, are you running from SD? Feb 20 17:02:16 pespin: yes Feb 20 17:02:46 but after reboot everything is ok. (/proc/sysrq-trigger is REALLY helpful) Feb 20 17:03:30 adiblol, ah ok, I thought you needed to run fsck on it :) Feb 20 17:03:59 seems that SD card often looses stability, or maybe it's kernel issue? Feb 20 17:39:33 I have 2.6.29 kernel, and xrandr -o 1 or -o 3 doesnt work, when I specify -s 640x480 it seems to loose sync. It seems to be http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/ticket/2255 , but it has been fixed? Feb 20 17:40:16 xserver-xorg-video-glamo 0.0.0+20091108.git9918e082-2 Feb 20 17:40:40 xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.7-11 Feb 20 18:47:03 adiblol: debian? Feb 20 18:47:12 lindi-: yes Feb 20 18:47:43 adiblol: revert those commits and it works? Feb 20 18:48:09 what...? Feb 20 18:48:20 adiblol: did you read the bug report? Feb 20 18:48:27 i compiled kernel from pkg-fso.alioth.debian.org Feb 20 18:48:30 yes. Feb 20 18:48:45 adiblol: in the bug report I revert some commits that cause this Feb 20 18:49:01 it means that i have to play with git... Feb 20 18:49:07 adiblol: you always do :) Feb 20 18:49:21 no, i downloaded tar.gz from pkg-fso repo ;) Feb 20 18:49:49 by the way, where usb host mode power has gone in 2.6.34? Feb 20 18:49:57 (/sys/...) Feb 20 18:50:50 adiblol: just use omhacks so that you don't need to poke /sys directly Feb 20 18:51:19 and frameworkd hangs with 2.6.34 from debian repo Feb 20 18:51:25 adiblol: 'om usb mode [device|host]' Feb 20 18:51:31 no. Feb 20 18:51:38 usb mode works Feb 20 18:51:49 but i want to change usb power Feb 20 18:51:55 adiblol: 'om usb charger-mode [charge-battery|power-usb]' Feb 20 18:52:11 will it work with Y-cable? Feb 20 18:52:15 yes Feb 20 18:52:42 ok, what about frameworkd? Feb 20 18:53:19 adiblol: I've lost interest in hacking frameworkd. upstream has switched to vala version. I only use ogsmd which does GSM and leaves USB alone Feb 20 18:53:57 no, i'm not complaining about USB Feb 20 18:54:06 frameworkd stops working with 2.6.34 Feb 20 18:55:13 so I have to use 2.6.29. Feb 20 19:35:22 lindi-: so how do I get openmoko linux kernel 2.6.29 from git? Feb 20 19:35:37 is any patching required after that? Feb 20 19:35:59 "Kernel" page at wiki.openmoko seems to be outdated Feb 20 19:48:11 adiblol: the pkg-fso kernel is also in git Feb 20 19:48:59 how to clone particular version? Feb 20 19:49:59 and I have to exchange + and - in patch file to revert a commit? Feb 20 19:51:44 use http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git and andy-tracking? Feb 20 19:53:57 it is outdated. "last changeThu, 12 Feb 2009 12:08:20 +0000" Feb 20 19:54:59 adiblol: "clone" get the complete history. ALL versions ever Feb 20 22:10:47 lindi-: I did echo 0 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/pcf50633-regltr.9/glamo3362.0/glamo-fb.0/xglamo_hack but it didn't help... so is it kernel bug? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Feb 21 02:59:57 2011