**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 24 02:59:57 2011 Feb 24 05:46:18 Welcome Doc! Feb 24 07:17:00 what the diff between ubi qi file and non-ubi qi file ? Feb 24 08:07:07 qi-ubi is qi with ubifs support Feb 24 08:09:23 thanks Feb 24 10:53:52 HeinervdmWork: that's not exactly accurate, Qi knows nothing about ubi, but qi-ubi version has appropriate (for ubi rootfs) kernel cmdline parameters hardcoded. Feb 24 10:57:40 so you need to change boot loader to change kernel boot options? Feb 24 11:00:00 lindi-: only for NAND, and NAND was never meant to be the preferred boot method for qi. Feb 24 11:00:52 PaulFertser: it seems to be used by shr and qtmoko though Feb 24 11:05:59 lindi-: yes, because it's easier to compile a custom version with custom cmdline than to manage u-boot, i guess. Feb 24 11:13:18 lindi-: the fact nobody was interested in actually pushing the needed u-boot patches upstream is somewhat hinting. Feb 24 11:30:03 PaulFertser: well that is a separate problem? ;) Feb 24 11:30:49 lindi-: i mean lack of interest might mean that using u-boot on FR is not "cool". Feb 24 11:31:29 PaulFertser: I am definitely interested Feb 24 11:31:43 PaulFertser: it's just is not very easy to port those patches Feb 24 11:36:50 lindi-: i understand your point and your usecases, i'm not dismissing them :) Just it somehow happens that demand for a minimalistic bootloader is rather high to. Feb 24 13:29:26 * SpeedEvil discovers http://openmokast.org/using-openmokast.html while looking up DAB stuff. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Feb 24 17:26:17 2011 Feb 24 18:25:09 hi all, http://lists.openmoko.org seems to be down, any idea if someone is looking in to that ? Feb 24 18:38:28 edje: it is down and it will be down until people who keeps that on free time can fix some problems. BTW, I wrote 2 weeks ago a mail asking openmoko community for ideas of suggestions about how to continue this community Feb 24 18:38:46 edje: because openmoko MLs were down severals days a few weeks ago. Nobody replied Feb 24 18:39:17 edje: so it seems people use it if it is there (ML).. if it is down for ever they do not care Feb 24 18:39:57 i thought it was down by incident, not because the mailing lists will stop working Feb 24 18:40:04 Yes Feb 24 18:40:12 Also Openmoko has a functional admin trac. Feb 24 18:40:22 If you file a ticket there, it'll get delivered to those who do care. Feb 24 18:40:26 PaulFertser: mmh?.. last bill was paid for some volunters Feb 24 18:40:37 PaulFertser: what do you mena with functional admin? Feb 24 18:41:20 zrafa: technical problems will be promptly resolved when reported here: http://admin-trac.openmoko.org/ Feb 24 18:41:48 zrafa: and fyi some of the infra is already moved to Harald afaik. Feb 24 18:42:19 so, is there just a technical problem at the moment, or are things taken down? Feb 24 18:42:38 PaulFertser: yes, and Harald paid last bill. And what about of that?.. Harald is not going to keep that for much. No time from him from his answers Feb 24 18:43:14 edje: i'm neither roh nor Harald, so i do not know. Werner reported on irc that openmoko.org mail server got compromised and was taken down for maintanence. Feb 24 18:43:41 PaulFertser: yes, and roh said that he will work on that when he gets time Feb 24 18:43:55 zrafa: i think Harald has got his own servers where he can host the community Feb 24 18:43:56 PaulFertser: that is not something maintained or paid Feb 24 18:44:06 zrafa: i know. But he cares neverthereless. Feb 24 18:45:52 PaulFertser: that is why I asked community. Harald did that just because carity. roh does the job when he gest real free time and he can not fill that with another thing.. Feb 24 18:46:40 zrafa: i understand, i'm not sure what to say more. Feb 24 18:47:07 sounds like a good reason to take it offline for a while. I think if it needs to be we can find someone who can run a mailinglist on a home server, the volume is a few mails per day Feb 24 18:47:20 edje: Werner is a little rush because his mail address is @openmoko.org.. there are few more, but no much. So I guess that if nobody will take care he will do something :) Feb 24 18:49:27 edje: yes, the servers were compromised, like PaulFertser said you. SO until somebody can check properly if there are rootkits or whatever, and avoid new ones (doing upgrades, etc) the servers will be down. Feb 24 18:52:42 perhaps we can set something up spread accross two mail servers, so if one is down for maintenance the other can take over and vica versa ? Feb 24 19:03:33 does anyone have mail address of roh and or Harald ? perhaps i can setup a mx relay with them. Feb 24 21:27:19 hrmm, the website at lists.openmoko.org is down. I can ping it tho Feb 24 21:34:39 That's a known problem Feb 25 01:52:26 can anybody connect to the planet or lists? Feb 25 02:45:14 I think the lists for shr are still working, but that's it... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Feb 25 02:59:57 2011