**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 16 02:59:57 2011 Mar 16 07:40:22 Hi, anyone aware of what happened to lists.openmoko.org Mar 16 07:41:23 someone pulled the plug ;) Mar 16 07:41:33 oops Mar 16 07:41:58 so no more mailing list for OM Mar 16 08:07:12 larsc: hi, any plans for 2.6.38 now? Mar 16 08:08:21 larsc: i am now running 2.6.37, but it's not in qtmoko yet, because there are still some problems with new debian, so i dont want to make more mess with new kernel... Mar 16 08:10:02 radekp: not really. there wouldn't be much difference to .37 Mar 16 08:14:44 but about half of our patches are going to be in 2.6.39 Mar 16 08:18:53 larsc: great Mar 16 09:16:51 hello folks Mar 16 09:17:47 I'm trying to figure out how to control the WiFi from QPE Mar 16 09:18:20 I setup /etc/network/interfaces so that "ifup/ifdown eth1" work correctly Mar 16 09:19:09 but when I try to start/stop the interface from Settings -> Internet, the operation always fails Mar 16 09:21:18 where is the QPE Internet settings controlled? E.g., what ethX interface it attempts to use Mar 16 09:38:44 Hi all. Thanks to DocScrutinizer I now have the moko11 sdcard image. Mar 16 09:39:05 unfirtunately it doesn't boot right. kernel panic from no rootfs. Mar 16 09:39:57 mokomoko: wrong boot options? Mar 16 09:40:00 I used DD to fill the card as instructed, so that's not it. I double checked with fdisk and the 2 newly created partitions look just right. Mar 16 09:40:09 so.... yep, must be. Mar 16 09:40:14 mokomoko: which ones did you pass? Mar 16 09:40:41 the ones in the u-boot env... :) Mar 16 09:41:02 mokomoko: u-boot environment is made to be modified :) Mar 16 09:41:23 I checked them and they look right, but I need some reference page so I can check for real. Mar 16 09:43:17 grep shows me that several scripts expect WiFi on eth0 Mar 16 09:43:36 I guess it's faster to just have devd rename the netif to eth0 Mar 16 10:03:26 hmm... can't find the correct way to enable RNDIS in windows 7 either.... hint, anyone? Mar 16 10:45:04 is there a DFU-UTIL _signed_ driver for windows? Mar 16 10:46:46 mokomoko: I don't think dfu-util is a driver? Mar 16 10:47:17 mokomoko: just curious, why are you using openmoko? ;) Mar 16 10:47:20 you're right. correction: is there a signed dfu driver for windows? Mar 16 10:47:51 haha. :P I just happen to be somewhere I do not control the OS choice. :P Mar 16 10:48:15 there are only penguins chez moi. Mar 16 10:51:59 OS taste aside, my questions are pertinent and correct. I know that windows dfu hasn't had much attention precisely because of this kind of bickering, but I chalk that up to the developers' lack of vision (and time). I don't see anything wrong with people hacking a linux phone from a windows box, especially when that's all they have at hand during lunch break. Mar 16 10:52:47 so, is there a signed version of dfu driver for windows?.... Mar 16 10:54:15 mokomoko: absolutely no idea Mar 16 10:54:26 good answer. :) Mar 16 10:55:38 I've very little hope, though... especially since more and more openmoko sites seem to be coming down with the flu... people.openmoko.org, projects.openmoko.org.... soon there will be no OM on the web. :( Mar 16 10:56:10 mokomoko: openmoko is hardware to me, it won't disappear from my pocket :) Mar 16 10:56:18 :D Mar 16 10:56:39 but alone you will not be able to use it. :) Mar 16 10:57:02 mokomoko: why not? Mar 16 10:57:17 sites are needed to drive the community and store the results. Mar 16 10:57:52 or are you capable of single-handedly develop a great-performing distro for it? Mar 16 10:57:53 mokomoko: I think the results should be in distros Mar 16 10:58:17 mokomoko: yes, I've been developing debian for quite some time now, *.openmoko.org is not critical for that although it'd still be nice to have Mar 16 10:58:37 mokomoko: point is just that it's not the end of the world for me Mar 16 10:58:37 ok, I see. :) Mar 16 10:59:41 it almost was for me. :) I couldn't get moko11 GSM FW and so the phone doesn't work well with any distro. There are some things only OM provides. Mar 16 11:00:26 I do have a copy but I'm not sure if it is legal for me to distribute it Mar 16 11:01:05 I got a copy too via someone on this channel. Unfortunately the image isn't booting.. :( Mar 16 11:01:44 and now the NAND system I had working is also not booting, so I'm starting to doubt the HW too.... Mar 16 11:02:37 mokomoko: image? Mar 16 11:02:44 ? Mar 16 11:02:49 mokomoko: ah, it's SD card image for running the fluid program Mar 16 11:02:56 mokomoko: I just run fluid from my normal installation Mar 16 11:02:56 yep Mar 16 11:03:39 it's somewhat telling that the most trouble on openmoko seems to be caused by non-free software :) Mar 16 11:04:05 heheh... and lack of capacitors. :) Mar 16 11:04:21 that too yes Mar 16 11:06:42 which are both a kind of bad managerial decision to me. Mar 16 15:09:06 Got some weird stuff happening here, need some tutoring... Mar 16 15:09:21 got a QTmoko NAND installation working ok; Mar 16 15:10:00 then I boot from NOR/u-boot with an SDcard with that special distro for using fluid to flash the gsm fw; Mar 16 15:10:34 and not only the rootfs on the card cannot be found, but also the rootfs on the NAND becomes corrupted. Mar 16 15:10:43 I have to flash it again to get it to boot. Mar 16 15:10:51 Someone seen this? Mar 16 15:12:20 the qtmoko distro is UBI fs and the NAND boot loader is the corresponding ubi-enabled Qi. Mar 16 15:12:40 mokomoko: why do not you amend that gsm firmware image a bit to make it boot with Qi? Mar 16 15:13:09 amend? what do you mean? Mar 16 15:14:35 I was just following the recipe, I don't know of any reason why Qi shouldn't boot the distro on the card. But it doesn't. So this amending is?.... Mar 16 15:15:18 Is the ubi version of Qi incompatible with non-ubi rootfs? Mar 16 15:16:20 mokomoko: to place the kernel to the /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin on the rootfs partition. Mar 16 15:16:27 mokomoko: you can find more info at openmoko wiki Mar 16 15:17:48 ah. good info. I had forgotten all about that. :) long time since I hacked this stuff. So, with the kernel in the rootfs, it should work just fine? No other changes necessary, you think? Mar 16 15:19:49 ok, thank you Paul. Mar 16 15:21:20 mokomoko: :) Mar 16 15:36:00 PaulFertser: the part that baffles me is that the u-boot corrupted the ubifs on the nand, even though the menu option chosen was to boot from the card... Mar 16 15:36:26 or maybe it was the loaded kernel?... Mar 16 15:37:29 mokomoko: who knows, probably that sdcard image doesn't like ubi, i have no idea. Mar 16 16:21:12 meh, use a card <4GB, use NOR!!!!!!-uBoot Mar 16 16:22:01 DocScrutinizer: may i suggest using SDHC cards and Qi too? Mar 16 16:22:02 damn, this worked like for 5000 users, without any problems Mar 16 16:22:49 how do you avoid the problem of Qi not properly initializing fb? Mar 16 16:23:37 afaik I prepared to image so you *could* use standard Qi of that time Mar 16 16:23:51 some people did Mar 16 16:25:32 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing#NOTE_2 Mar 16 16:48:23 DocScrutinizer: the only limitation of that image -- no support for SDHC cards from nor u-boot, otherwise that image is rather cool. Mar 16 16:50:33 I honestly wonder what's different on SDHC so it won't boot even while MBR is that of a normal SD Mar 16 16:51:51 hm, I guess there are other more low level ways the card can tell about its properties Mar 16 17:22:02 2.6.b8 in shr? Mar 16 17:22:11 .38 Mar 16 18:06:05 DocScrutinizer: SDHC cards use block addressing, so the code for older cards would simply fail reading the right bytes. Mar 16 18:06:19 aah Mar 16 23:01:04 The little "< X >' button does not appear for me. I guess it's a FAQ. SHR) Mar 16 23:01:09 hi btw Mar 16 23:02:17 so I cannot close applications Mar 16 23:06:48 LionKMP, known bug ;) Mar 16 23:07:00 LionKMP, run "shr_elm_softkey &" in a terminal Mar 16 23:07:20 it somestimes doesn't get started correctly Mar 16 23:13:03 pespin: for me it never. Can I add it to an xinitdrc or whatever? :) Mar 16 23:15:29 LionKMP, no idea ;) Mar 16 23:15:47 LionKMP, I just start it from ssh whenever I reboot it. Mar 16 23:15:59 <[Rui]> ♺ @Lopi: w00t! #Sound is now working on the iPhone3G in !SHR. Time to work on implementing the #baseband and #accelerometer. #iX !iX !iphone Mar 16 23:16:00 ok, thank you, still useful :) Mar 16 23:16:22 [Rui], great! :D Mar 16 23:17:34 <[Rui]> I wonder who's Lopi Mar 16 23:18:39 <[Rui]> ♺ @Lopi_iXProject: Check out my latest #video: http://youtu.be/7w3grzo_ybM !iX #iX !shr !iphone Mar 16 23:22:08 wow I love shr_elm_softkey, I missed it a lot. needed to reboot to close a program :-) Mar 16 23:22:25 <[Rui]> LionKMP: when I get more time to work on it, I'll try to imprive it a bit Mar 16 23:22:45 Rui: do you know how to make it autostart? :) Mar 16 23:22:49 <[Rui]> LionKMP: hope you like the task list it does and easier to access buttons Mar 16 23:22:55 And the new down-arrow button rocks, I like it. Mar 16 23:23:05 yes, definately! bigger buttons too. Mar 16 23:23:08 wonderful :) Mar 16 23:23:15 <[Rui]> LionKMP: it should auto start, but apparently there's a creepy bug. Mar 16 23:23:54 <[Rui]> LionKMP: root@om-gta02 ~/.e/e/applications/startup # cat .order Mar 16 23:23:54 <[Rui]> shr_elm_softkey.desktop Mar 16 23:24:34 it is there Mar 16 23:26:12 <[Rui]> :( Mar 16 23:27:23 can I copy that desktop file to where the applications are, so I could start it with click? Mar 16 23:27:38 I forgot where is the applications folder, however I can find in the Wiki :) Mar 16 23:29:12 ah, it's there already, just needs removing NoDisplay=true :) Mar 16 23:30:31 <[Rui]> ok. but still it shouldn't happen. Mar 16 23:30:54 <[Rui]> there's a bug over it in shr's trac with a script that needs people suffering from the bug to try it out Mar 16 23:34:45 do you think SHR will be available for GTA04 (Golden Deli)? Mar 16 23:34:58 <[Rui]> yes, of course Mar 16 23:35:07 great! Wonderful! :D Mar 16 23:35:16 then I'll buy one :) Mar 17 02:25:46 still no lists or planet or projects do we need a new host? Mar 17 02:26:20 maybe sean moss can help Mar 17 02:32:02 shr-u mar 15 anyboody have it running? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 17 02:59:57 2011