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Mar 17 05:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> Sean / OM-inc isn't interested / involved in server business anymore, afaik
Mar 17 05:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> and I doubt Sean Moss-Pultz can help on anything OM-the-phone related
Mar 17 05:05:50 <DocScrutinizer> I dunno why Gismo and Roh need a week to bring up all the vservers again. Believe me, I am missing mail at least as much as you do miss the mailing lists
Mar 17 05:07:11 <DocScrutinizer> ALL my mailing lists I subscribed to are to my OM mail account
Mar 17 09:15:16 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: tuxbrain told me the vserver wasn't payed.
Mar 17 09:15:31 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: I gladly offer to pay at least half of an year.
Mar 17 09:15:35 <DocScrutinizer> err who?
Mar 17 09:16:07 <[Rui]> DocScrutinizer: tuxbrain (David Reyes Samblas)
Mar 17 09:16:42 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-03-16 02:13:58] <roh> hm.. die box is extern immernoch geblockt.. aber intern pingt sie wieder.. ssh passt aber nicht, also rescue-system  [2011-03-16 02:14:04] <roh> muss mal gismo motiviert bekommen
Mar 17 09:17:27 <[Rui]> can't read german :)
Mar 17 09:17:29 <DocScrutinizer> I'd think Roh should know and have had mentioned if there's any issue with non-paid servers
Mar 17 09:18:15 <DocScrutinizer> box is blocked for external access, but does ping internally. ssh acts up, so probably the rescue-system
Mar 17 09:18:38 <DocScrutinizer> have to motivate Gismo [to talke some action regarding it]
Mar 17 09:19:09 <[Rui]> gotta go to work see ya. if you see them and it's a matter of payment, tell them what I told you, please.
Mar 17 09:19:15 <[Rui]> ~~~~
Mar 17 09:19:16 <apt> ARGH!!! STOP IT [rui]!!!
Mar 17 09:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Mar 17 10:02:00 <HeinervdmOff> If someone complains that the < X > isn't started in SHR you can point him to this ML-post: http://lists.shr-project.org/pipermail/shr-user/2011-March/007101.html
Mar 17 18:13:37 <mokomoko> Hi folks. Where can I find the layout of the hardware components of the Freerunner board? Not the schematics, but the component placement on the board.
Mar 17 18:13:56 <mokomoko> I need to find the value of a resistor that broke and fell off.... :(
Mar 17 18:15:25 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: hold on
Mar 17 18:15:52 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: here you go http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/schematics/GTA02/
Mar 17 18:16:39 <mokomoko> great, thx!! :) Err... I suppose things haven't changed much between A5 and A6?... ;)
Mar 17 18:17:16 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: yes :)
Mar 17 18:21:59 <mokomoko> Are resistor names changed between schematics revisions?
Mar 17 18:23:40 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: generally, no
Mar 17 18:25:00 <mokomoko> because... I identified the one missing on my phone, which is affecting uSD card usage, and in the schematics that number is in the battery connector circuit... I expected it to be in the SDIO circuit...
Mar 17 18:25:19 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: how do you tell it's affecting uSD?
Mar 17 18:26:05 <mokomoko> every card I try fails partially. usually the kernel partition loads fine, but rootfs fails to mount. other machines see no problem with the card or content.
Mar 17 18:28:09 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: what is the corresponding number you see in the pcb placement pdf?
Mar 17 18:28:30 <mokomoko> Nevermind, I was looking at the one next to it. :) It's r7511 that broke, not r1751.
Mar 17 18:28:45 <mokomoko> now it makes sense.
Mar 17 18:29:35 <mokomoko> but as I recall, the layout in the A5 is not exactly the same.... have to check that later.
Mar 17 18:29:44 <mokomoko> thanks for the files!!! :)
Mar 17 18:30:21 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: a pullup on the dataline, indeed enough of a reason for uSD to not work :)
Mar 17 18:30:48 <mokomoko> yep... curiously, the kernel loads... I guess the bootloader uses lower speeds or something. :)
Mar 17 18:31:48 <mokomoko> now I have to convince a friend with a steady hand to solder this microscopic critter back in... my soldering iron tip is much larger than the whole resistor! 
Mar 17 18:32:14 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: if it's made out of copper, you can sharpen it ;)
Mar 17 18:32:25 <mokomoko> that's an idea. ;)
Mar 17 18:32:56 <mokomoko> but I can't sneeze. :D
Mar 17 18:33:00 <mokomoko> or breathe.
Mar 17 18:34:12 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: http://paulfertser.info/files/useless_buzzfix/
Mar 17 18:36:18 <mokomoko> ah, so that's your secret!... :) I did that fix myself, and boy was that a war... :D 
Mar 17 18:37:08 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: in fact i didn't desolder that tiny resistor with that very soldering iron. I used it later to desolder (and then solder back) the wire just to prove no special equipment or skills are needed.
Mar 17 18:37:09 <mokomoko> still, this specific resistor is wedged right between a tin and the uSD connector... jeees... and it is really small. really.
Mar 17 18:37:35 <PaulFertser> 0402 i guess
Mar 17 18:37:38 <mokomoko> this is going to require loads of time and patience.
Mar 17 18:37:40 <PaulFertser> Same as the buzzfix.
Mar 17 18:37:45 <PaulFertser> Indeed.
Mar 17 18:38:07 <PaulFertser> Got thermo-tweezers?
Mar 17 18:38:22 <mokomoko> nope. long time, no hacking. :)
Mar 17 18:39:15 <mokomoko> oouuuh... expensive stuff.
Mar 17 18:39:56 <mokomoko> but given that I'm more and more prone to hacking up phones these days.. it may be worth the investment....
Mar 17 18:40:12 <mokomoko> anyone here got a set for sale? :D
Mar 17 18:40:12 <PaulFertser> Heh, i just got plenty of that at work :) but you can sharpen your iron as a flat screwdriver to desolder 0402 easily.
Mar 17 18:41:04 <mokomoko> the problem isn't so much desoldering, it's soldering. I end up burning the little things, and most of the times they come back attached to the yip of the iron.
Mar 17 18:41:11 <DocScrutinizer51> hehe
Mar 17 18:41:24 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: damn man, you're doing it wrong for sure!
Mar 17 18:41:29 <mokomoko> a friend told me to use a droplet of glue, but I don't think it will fit there! 
Mar 17 18:41:37 <linuxxr> y less power scotti
Mar 17 18:41:41 <mokomoko> yes, for sure!! :)
Mar 17 18:41:42 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: i just used a toothpick to hold it in place.
Mar 17 18:41:57 <mokomoko> good idea. sharpened, of course. :)
Mar 17 18:42:20 <PaulFertser> Just pressed it downwards with the toothpick and that's it.
Mar 17 18:42:43 <mokomoko> soldering with hot air or tweezers?
Mar 17 18:43:30 <PaulFertser> mokomoko: with a regular soldering iron.
Mar 17 18:43:50 <PaulFertser> Soldered one side, then other.
Mar 17 18:44:14 <mokomoko> you're an artist. :)
Mar 17 18:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> use LAZORS!
Mar 17 18:44:32 <PaulFertser> Nope. Just trained a little on a defective video-card.
Mar 17 18:44:36 <PaulFertser> ROFL
Mar 17 18:44:51 <PaulFertser> lAs0rs \o/ yo
Mar 17 18:44:59 <mokomoko> lolç
Mar 17 18:46:05 <mokomoko> ok, bye.
Mar 17 18:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> honstly, I'd need a video microscope
Mar 17 18:46:07 <mokomoko> thx.
Mar 17 18:46:19 <DocScrutinizer> we had a nice one in TPE
Mar 17 18:46:28 <mokomoko> gotta run now.
Mar 17 18:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> 50cm from lens to object
Mar 17 18:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Mar 17 18:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> well, maybe 30
Mar 17 18:49:35 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: what was it used for?
Mar 17 18:50:15 <DocScrutinizer> well, e.g. for taking pictures of hw, also for soldering / general rework
Mar 17 19:02:10 <linuxxr> any news on hardware  for  the beagle board replacement  board for freerunner? 
Mar 17 19:03:35 <linuxxr> maybe sean moss will make another with his contacts
Mar 18 02:33:32 <bwolfe> I have an old (fully functional) open moko FR that I'm no longer going to use.  Anyone in here interested in buying it before I put it up on ebay?
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