**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 19 02:59:56 2011 Mar 19 09:33:57 Hey Mar 19 09:34:33 hey Mar 19 09:35:11 Having a minor problem with installing debian on my new neo freerunner Mar 19 09:35:20 Wondering if anyone here would be willing to offer some advice? Mar 19 09:35:50 zapata: go ahead Mar 19 09:35:56 http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner Mar 19 09:35:58 Following this Mar 19 09:36:06 Trying to use the shell that comes with openmoko by default Mar 19 09:36:14 But the on-screen keyboard will only suggest words Mar 19 09:36:19 That is, I can't even type "passwd" Mar 19 09:36:27 Let alone fix OpenSSH or use WGET Mar 19 09:36:39 It will just change it to what it "thinks" it should be Mar 19 09:36:41 zapata: slide up on the keyboad Mar 19 09:36:55 Up? That will make it key-for-key? Mar 19 09:36:58 Yep Mar 19 09:37:06 Ok, gonna try :) Mar 19 09:37:25 zapata: basically you start the slide motion on the keyboard and drag it up out of the keyb area, it'll switch. Mar 19 09:39:39 But i suggest to use usb networking instead if possible. Mar 19 09:39:49 Yea, that's the plan Mar 19 09:39:51 Then SSH Mar 19 09:40:02 But unfortunately I kept getting "connection refused" after setting it up Mar 19 09:40:08 So I wanted to fix it Mar 19 09:40:13 Needed shell :D Mar 19 09:40:24 zapata: probably you mistyped ip, the FR is 192.168.0.202 by default. Mar 19 09:41:47 Hmm Mar 19 09:41:50 Ok I'll give it a go Mar 19 09:42:11 So it's 192.168.0.202 even if I set the Usb0 port as another IP? Mar 19 09:44:55 zapata: how did you set the ip? Mar 19 09:45:06 Hmm, I did not Mar 19 09:45:17 I set it via shell on the host system Mar 19 09:45:25 Using the openmoko wiki guide Mar 19 09:45:27 zapata: that sets the IP of desktop Mar 19 09:45:37 but it let me install shell on the openmoko Mar 19 09:45:40 So I guess it was ok Mar 19 09:45:41 Oh Mar 19 09:45:55 So what I set was MY ip and *.202 is the freerunners? Mar 19 09:46:03 zapata: openmoko wiki has a lot of random articles, which one was it? ;) Mar 19 09:46:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking Mar 19 09:46:17 Trying to get it set up with debian ;) Mar 19 09:46:30 That's my distro and I have some cool ideas for this phone once it works Mar 19 09:46:30 sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 Mar 19 09:46:30 sudo ip link set dev usb0 up Mar 19 09:46:39 Yea, exactly Mar 19 09:46:41 zapata: that should work Mar 19 09:46:50 It wouldn't recognize the interface so I booted the freerunner Mar 19 09:47:20 Aaaah Mar 19 09:47:22 Now I get it Mar 19 09:47:35 So 192.168.0.200 is ME and *.202 is the freerunner :D Mar 19 09:47:38 Explains a lot :p Mar 19 09:47:49 zapata: yes Mar 19 09:48:05 Thank you very much :) Mar 19 09:48:26 JazakAllah, (May God reward you), hope you appriciate that ;) Mar 19 09:48:30 Otherwise just refer to "thank you" Mar 19 09:50:10 Hmm Mar 19 09:50:19 Once this works I'm trying to build a universal translator :D Mar 19 09:50:30 Essentially I'm gonna chain voice recognition with autotranslation Mar 19 09:51:29 zapata: have you already tried that on your host? ;) Mar 19 09:51:57 Nope. :D Mar 19 09:52:37 Because, i mean, it sounds funny (and useless) and all, but if you know in advance the result why try it on FR? Mar 19 09:52:49 Because I want to make it work Mar 19 09:52:58 I attend a Mosque with lots of pakistanies. Mar 19 09:53:04 So when they talk, I don't get a WORD Mar 19 09:53:11 (Except when they use English for my sake) Mar 19 09:53:17 Which can be kinda annoying Mar 19 09:53:20 Anyway Mar 19 09:53:25 A computer's a computer, innit? Mar 19 09:53:28 :) Mar 19 09:53:35 zapata: beware, FR lacks hardware floating point unit. Mar 19 09:53:59 zapata: also you say it like you hope your project will actually be useful in real life, weird. Mar 19 09:54:16 Hehe Mar 19 09:54:19 Well I hope Mar 19 09:54:22 Hmm Mar 19 09:54:31 Is there some way around the lack of a FPU? Mar 19 09:54:47 I don't know that much about hardware; Does this kill the C standard library, for example? Mar 19 09:54:49 Using optimised fixed point arithmetics or (slow) fpu emulation. Mar 19 09:55:01 No, it doesn't, of course. Mar 19 09:55:06 Oh, wait Mar 19 09:55:10 Linux kernel Mar 19 09:55:16 Stupid question ^^ Mar 19 09:55:18 No, in-kernel emulation is even slower. Mar 19 09:55:30 I meant about the C library Mar 19 09:55:32 OE builds everything with userspace emulation. Mar 19 09:55:37 Hmm, ok Mar 19 09:55:40 hmm Mar 19 09:56:18 zapata: are you doing a research paper? Mar 19 10:05:05 weird Mar 19 10:24:42 Ok, hi again ;) Mar 19 10:24:47 The router here failed Mar 19 10:28:45 Anyone still around? Mar 19 10:40:06 zapata: do not ask to ask, just ask :) Mar 19 10:40:13 Heh Mar 19 10:40:14 Ok Mar 19 10:40:15 Well Mar 19 10:40:31 I couldn't make the keyboard into key-for-key, but I still managed to change the password ;) Mar 19 10:40:33 to "were" Mar 19 10:40:43 But not when I do SSH, it refuses with that password Mar 19 10:41:21 When I scrolled up like you suggested, btw, it just changed to autosuggest with capital letters or symbols Mar 19 10:41:44 zapata: probably you scrolled up from the wrong point or you're running OM2007 even? Mar 19 10:42:18 Possibly OM2007 Mar 19 10:44:30 Where the "paste" and "enter" button is the same, so typing is impossible... Mar 19 10:48:28 If this is OM2007, i think its developers should be shot. Mar 19 10:48:32 Pure and simple. Mar 19 10:48:36 Preferably in a very painful way. Mar 19 10:49:07 To even set the root password (passwd didn't let me SSH) I hae to install a program Mar 19 10:49:11 And that doesn't work, either Mar 19 10:49:46 zapata: shot? I hope you're not one of those extremistic muslim :-o Mar 19 10:49:51 Heh Mar 19 10:49:52 No Mar 19 10:50:05 I was actually being sarcastic as a way of letting off steam ^^ Mar 19 10:50:12 zapata: if it says connection refused, it means sshd or dropbear is not running. Mar 19 10:50:15 :) Mar 19 10:50:20 Hmm Mar 19 10:50:28 No actually it lets me connect now, it just says the password is bad Mar 19 10:50:44 Also without a word-for-word keyboard I have no hope of restarting any services Mar 19 10:50:50 (This is AFTER running passwd) Mar 19 10:51:40 hmm Mar 19 10:51:46 zapata: there certainly was a way to switch keyboard mode... Mar 19 10:51:46 Even after sudo ip address add 192.168.0.200/24 dev usb0 Mar 19 10:51:54 and sudo ip link set dev usb0 up Mar 19 10:51:57 it can't connect Mar 19 10:52:03 zapata: i hope you do those commands on your host. Mar 19 10:52:53 Yes Mar 19 10:52:59 Hmm Mar 19 10:53:18 Ok, I feel stupid now. I did the exact same thing again, and now it (claims) to be fetching something Mar 19 10:53:24 hi, is the price if the new GTA04 phone already available somewhere? Mar 19 10:54:56 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04_revisions Mar 19 10:55:08 Speculations: This article or section documents a device that is not yet confirmed formally and the device (if even released) may differ from the specifications given here. This page is based on well educated guesses, not facts. Mar 19 10:56:54 PaulFertser: And btw, no, I am obviously no extremist. ;) Mar 19 10:57:05 zapata: got it already :) Mar 19 10:57:06 redarrow: there was no news about this from nikolaus Mar 19 11:01:36 Hmm Mar 19 11:01:41 Heinervdm: ok... but the last news I have heard was about and of January when the early adopter phone was sold, and when I had the money to buy one it was sold out :-/ Mar 19 11:01:55 s/and of/end of Mar 19 11:02:16 redarrow: you can write him an email and ask... Mar 19 11:02:21 This being OM2007 probably, I am still unable to make the networking work Mar 19 11:02:27 Even after the 2 networking commands on the host Mar 19 11:02:47 It worked for a while, but it can't complete the "Root Password" download (Why this needs to be downloaded is beyond me) Mar 19 11:03:48 zapata: do you mean you want the FR to get the internet via usb from your host? Mar 19 11:03:56 Yes Mar 19 11:04:07 This worked before; I installed xterm like this. Mar 19 11:04:16 zapata: then you need to enable forwarding on your host and do MASQUERADEing i'm afraid. Mar 19 11:04:17 (but it had no onscreen keyboard and was thus useless) Mar 19 11:04:39 Hmm Mar 19 11:04:41 iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE -s 192.168.0.0/28 Mar 19 11:04:50 Yes, and also ip_forward=1 Mar 19 11:04:52 and Mar 19 11:04:52 iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT Mar 19 11:04:53 ? Mar 19 11:05:04 This too obviously. Mar 19 11:05:14 sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 Mar 19 11:05:21 Yea Mar 19 11:06:14 I feel like such a retard right now. Mar 19 11:06:24 this is what i do: http://pastebin.com/WVb0Zguk Mar 19 11:09:48 Hehe Mar 19 11:10:04 I changed 192.168.1.x to 192.168.0.x (which is the actual subnet) and it worked Mar 19 11:10:07 I should get more sleep Mar 19 11:10:09 ^^ Mar 19 11:10:31 ... Mar 19 11:10:41 The root password app doesn't show an onscreen keyboard Mar 19 11:11:42 i don't rember om2007 but there should be an icon in the topbar to trigger the keyboard Mar 19 11:12:23 The only icon I see is one to make the "menu" drop down Mar 19 11:13:23 Does it look like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/Om_2007.2 Mar 19 11:13:46 or like this? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/Om_2008 Mar 19 11:14:09 for Om2008 the is the qwerty icon Mar 19 11:14:12 Hm Mar 19 11:14:19 It's the 2008 Mar 19 11:14:53 then just click on the qwerty to get the keyboard Mar 19 11:14:59 hmm Mar 19 11:15:07 Yes, that's supposed to be in the top right corner Mar 19 11:15:13 I see it on the screenshot, but not on my phone Mar 19 11:15:35 *Top LEFT corner Mar 19 11:17:00 Probably I'm doing something wrong Mar 19 11:17:03 Let me read the article Mar 19 11:17:48 perhaps it's easier to just flash a current SHR or QtMoko and install debian from there... Mar 19 11:18:01 Probably Mar 19 11:19:15 I think I'll just do that. ;) Mar 19 11:19:25 Thanks for the hint. This om2008 stuff was driving me crazy. Mar 19 11:20:55 And all I really needed was to SSH to the phone... :D Mar 19 11:23:44 Ok Mar 19 11:24:04 It's actually time for the noon prayer now, so I'll be back later with some status. ;) Mar 19 11:24:08 Thank you all for your help. :) Mar 19 13:40:31 Hey Mar 19 13:40:42 the file fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.tar.gz Mar 19 13:40:54 That's the splash image, correcT? Mar 19 13:40:57 http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/unstable/NeoFreerunner/ Mar 19 13:40:59 I would assume so Mar 19 15:17:52 hi Mar 19 15:18:50 i've to develop an application for openmoko...someone could help me? Mar 19 15:19:35 n3v3rmind: hi. What is openmoko? Mar 19 15:20:27 Openmoko™ is a project dedicated to delivering mobile phones with an open source software stack Mar 19 15:20:54 this isn't a channel about it? Mar 19 15:21:59 n3v3rmind: There are a number of OSs which could be called 'openmoko' Mar 19 15:22:08 They are somewhat incompatible. Mar 19 15:22:27 ok...sorry :) Mar 19 15:22:29 Assuming you'renot talking of the wikireader. Which I don't think supports external programs at all. Mar 19 15:22:49 SpeedEvil: hi there :) BTW, are you using anything to read the diagnostic codes out from cars' controllers? Mar 19 15:22:50 i've a neo freerunne which have installed an android version Mar 19 15:23:26 sorry for my bad english...i hope you understand me :) Mar 19 15:23:39 PaulFertser: AD65960 Mar 19 15:23:40 err Mar 19 15:23:48 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/obdii-bluetooth-car-diagnostic-cable-black-blue-orange-dc-12v-42825 Mar 19 15:23:49 rather Mar 19 15:24:35 SpeedEvil: but what about the software? Mar 19 15:25:37 PaulFertser: http://www.elmelectronics.com/obdic.html#ELM327 http://www.carman.org/ Mar 19 15:25:46 SpeedEvil: thanks! Mar 19 15:25:47 You can do it with a terminal - basically Mar 19 15:26:29 Oh, carman.org wants to start some swf shit Mar 19 15:27:04 It was at one point a maemo 4 app Mar 19 15:27:10 dunno if it's still the same site Mar 19 15:28:39 Probably by the time i finally dump my 1983 car (that has no smart controller whatsoever) there'll be other good free sw projects to read the codes :) Mar 19 15:29:28 Or don't bother. Just jam an open-source ECU in. :) Mar 19 15:29:41 n3v3rmind: never done android development. Mar 19 15:30:07 SpeedEvil: are you happy with yours? I remember you talking about it a year ago. Mar 19 15:30:33 which distribution is better to mount on the freerunner to develop an application? Mar 19 15:30:37 PaulFertser: I've not got round to using it yet. :/ Mar 19 15:31:06 n3v3rmind: what OS do you want to develop for? Mar 19 15:32:53 PaulFertser: I've to develop an application to get the gps data frome the gps device of the freerunner..but this is the first time that i work on this project and i don't know which os is better to use Mar 19 15:34:38 n3v3rmind: what programming languages do you know? Mar 19 15:36:13 n3v3rmind: gsp data frame? Do you mean raw data from the sats? Mar 19 15:36:32 PaulFerster: c, c++, java, python... Mar 19 15:37:23 n3v3rmind: then i'd suggest trying QtMoko distro and writing in "c++" for the Qtopia stack it got. Mar 19 15:39:53 dsda Mar 19 15:42:42 i'm sorry Mar 19 15:42:50 my connection goes down... Mar 19 15:43:05 n3v3rmind: then i'd suggest trying QtMoko distro and writing in "c++" for the Qtopia stack it got. Mar 19 15:44:12 it support also java? Mar 19 15:46:36 n3v3rmind: i'm not aware of it, but i'm sure java experience will be painful on FR, no matter which distro you use. Mar 19 15:48:15 SpeedEvil: ABS system might require diagnostic too. Mar 19 15:48:55 PaulFerstser: every tutorial that i'm reading there is a reference to openmoko...not to a specific OS... Mar 19 15:49:32 this could be a problem? Mar 19 15:50:01 n3v3rmind: yeah, weird random tutorials usually lead to problems. Mar 19 15:50:25 Especially when misunderstood Mar 19 15:50:25 :) Mar 19 15:50:52 :D Mar 19 15:56:49 * PaulFertser suddenly realizes he has a small board with ELM327 installed on it on his table Mar 19 15:56:53 SpeedEvil: :) Mar 19 15:57:29 With cp2102 to attach directly to usb Mar 19 15:58:00 PaulFertser: Well - great! Mar 19 15:58:52 I remember i was involved in some car-pc related work (that never actually took off) but i was left with some boards an parts. Mar 19 15:58:55 :) Mar 19 19:53:35 hi Mar 19 19:54:33 is there polish openmoko channel? Mar 19 19:59:00 Barracuda: #openmoko.pl Mar 19 20:00:14 Dziekuje **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 02:59:57 2011