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Oct 03 07:07:43 <larie> can i use Nokia BL6C battery?
Oct 03 07:26:29 <PaulFertser> larie: yes
Oct 03 07:26:35 <PaulFertser> ~batteryfaq
Oct 03 07:26:36 <apt> extra, extra, read all about it, batteryfaq is http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers
Oct 03 07:26:56 <larie> PaulFertser: thx
Oct 03 07:27:20 <PaulFertser> larie: greetings to Barnaul :)
Oct 03 07:28:09 <PaulFertser> larie: i'd suggest a modern bl-5c though, they've almost as much power and are easier to find.
Oct 03 07:28:20 <larie> PaulFertser: hey! :3
Oct 03 07:30:05 <PaulFertser> larie: are you using your device as a daily phone? Or just bragging at a LUG
Oct 03 07:30:50 <larie> PaulFertser: i do not have one, but want to buy from there > http://www.pulster.eu/index.html?d__om_a7__OpenMoko_Freerunner___A7739.htm
Oct 03 07:31:34 <PaulFertser> larie: to be able to actually use the device, you need a buzz-fixed version.
Oct 03 07:31:59 <PaulFertser> larie: and to use it as a portable music player, you need bass fix as well.
Oct 03 07:32:03 <larie> PaulFertser: they sent me a letter that says that it is fixed version
Oct 03 07:32:10 <PaulFertser> larie: and to get maximum suspend time you need #1024 fix.
Oct 03 07:32:13 <PaulFertser> larie: what's your usecase?
Oct 03 07:37:05 <larie> PaulFertser: i want a good phone not affected with general vulnerabilities of closed phones...
Oct 03 07:37:24 <larie> PaulFertser: i want to use it as ssh client :p
Oct 03 07:37:35 <PaulFertser> larie: small screen
Oct 03 07:37:56 <larie> 640x480 is fine i like small fonts
Oct 03 07:37:57 <PaulFertser> larie: are you going to use an external keyboard with it?
Oct 03 07:38:22 <PaulFertser> larie: oh yeah, 285dpi is rather cool. The screan is unreadable in sunlight btw.
Oct 03 07:39:10 <larie> maybe I will use external kbd if it will not hurt battery life much
Oct 03 07:39:16 <larie> i dislike sun
Oct 03 07:41:03 <larie> I need to ask about hat #1024 fix. I will mail them.
Oct 03 07:42:28 <PaulFertser> larie: ok, good luck then! How are you going to get it delivered? By regular mail?
Oct 03 07:43:11 <larie> They say Shipping: with DHL airmail parcel, incl. insurance and safe packaging+ postage 30 eur RUSSIA
Oct 03 07:43:14 <PaulFertser> larie: beware that DHL and others do not deliver to individuals in russia.
Oct 03 07:44:01 <PaulFertser> larie: they just do not, no way around it unless you want to deliver for an organisation but it's a real hassle to fill "грузовая таможенная декларация" and other shit.
Oct 03 07:44:41 <PaulFertser> larie: and when i say real hassle, i mean it: first you have to register that organisation as a "participant of international trade".
Oct 03 07:44:47 <larie> Whoops i need to think about that.
Oct 03 07:45:34 <PaulFertser> larie: also, you probably will have difficulties for officially importing a non-"rostest-approved" device.
Oct 03 07:46:17 <PaulFertser> larie: it's possible to send it via regular mail, preferrably marking as "broken pda for spare parts". Or better have someone to bring it personally.
Oct 03 07:46:36 <PaulFertser> larie: or buy a used device in ru, i'm sure there's plenty available on the after-market.
Oct 03 07:47:39 <PaulFertser> larie: buzz-fix is trivial btw.
Oct 03 07:48:44 <larie> pulster.eu provides 2-year guarantee.
Oct 03 07:49:45 <larie> But if used device is cheap and easy to buy in Moscow I choose used.
Oct 03 07:53:38 <PaulFertser> larie: try asking at linux.org.ru's forums, probably might wokr.
Oct 03 18:40:51 <DocScrutinizer> PaulFertser: you ever evaluated the idle power consumption of the vboost charge pump in gta02?
Oct 03 18:41:05 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: hey
Oct 03 18:41:48 <DocScrutinizer> quiescent current is probably the correct term
Oct 03 18:41:49 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: no, i haven't.
Oct 03 18:44:51 <DocScrutinizer> for gta02 it'd be maybe actually more interesting if device could resume from suspend on kbd event
Oct 03 18:45:16 <DocScrutinizer> which I highly doubt
Oct 03 18:49:00 <SpeedEvil> It'd mean keepin gUSB up, wouldn't it?
Oct 03 18:49:10 <SpeedEvil> Or do keyboards implement susped properly
Oct 03 18:49:14 <SpeedEvil> I suppose they must
Oct 03 18:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think so
Oct 03 18:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> but actually I dunno
Oct 03 18:52:11 <DocScrutinizer> the suspend concept is broken by design anyway, for embedded
Oct 03 18:54:25 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: still no decent kernel for n900 though :(
Oct 03 18:54:42 <DocScrutinizer> hm?
Oct 03 18:55:45 <DocScrutinizer> what would qualify for a "decent kernel" for you?
Oct 03 19:19:15 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: close to upstream and with power consumption not worse than in maemo's.
Oct 03 19:41:10 <DocScrutinizer> maybe that's mutually exclusive, thanks to upstream rejecting some patches that are too platform specific
Oct 03 19:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> or simply too late to replace crap implementations that already exist (see lis3lv02)
Oct 03 19:43:01 <DocScrutinizer> btw on same topic I don't see a "decent kernel" for gta02 either
Oct 03 19:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> for somewhat same reasons
Oct 03 19:51:55 <PaulFertser> I'm not aware about the current state of the gta02 kernels.
Oct 03 19:53:23 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: if only those patches were properly submitted 2 years ago as they should have been, there would be enough time to rework them to everyone's liking.
Oct 03 20:02:29 <DocScrutinizer> well, my experiences during my crusade for a better lis302 driver in meego during the last 9 months wre so depressing, I can see why things like drivers not getting upstream can happen
Oct 03 20:04:05 <DocScrutinizer> and e.g. meego-CE aka meego-arm aka n900-hw-adaption project deliberately opted for using a fsckdup driver because it's upstream, rather than even trying to pick up on better implementations like the maemo or the OM one
Oct 03 20:04:51 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: otoh you never really was involved in the kernel development process. It's harsh indeed, but it's not without its benefits too.
Oct 03 20:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> I'm just saying all those who actually are involved into kernel development one way or the other just either shrugged, or started bitching on me I'd rather push the better driver upstream rather than telling them about it, or frankly denied there's such a thing like a better driver than the fsckdup joystick lis302 upstream driver. But then everybody starts moaning about "there's still a problem with kernels for XY are not doing proper 
Oct 03 20:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> power management" - that'S kinda paradox in my book
Oct 03 20:14:43 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: well, i'd say that's just an unfortunate event that no truly dedicated kernel dev was interested in having a nice driver upstream.
Oct 03 20:15:24 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry you had hard time trying to make it happen :(
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