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Nov 20 13:30:55 <Aziroshin> Hello.
Nov 20 13:31:21 <Aziroshin> I am going to kick the Android I've tried on my freerunner and would like to replace it with Linux again. I am kinda tilted towards debian and would like to discuss that a little.
Nov 20 13:31:32 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: qtmoko?
Nov 20 13:31:40 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: what are your goals?
Nov 20 13:32:07 <Aziroshin> A general purpose system with phone friendly applications that can be easily installed (by apt-get, for instance)
Nov 20 13:32:22 <Aziroshin> So, mainly, I am wondering whether phone and touch friendly things from distributions like SHR can be found in the debian repository.
Nov 20 13:33:05 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: kind of, i think most debian users who require phone functionality are using qtmoko.
Nov 20 13:33:08 <Aziroshin> Also, though it's a different topic, I am looking for a phoning software that has both, normal phoning as well as softphone capabilities all in one.
Nov 20 13:33:57 <Aziroshin> I like the idea of having a base system which doesn't do anything specific besides being basic. So, I could just kick some GUI environment for another if I liked without installing something else.
Nov 20 13:34:26 <Aziroshin> I am not specifically a debian user. My main box is gentoo. I do, however, use debian a lot on devices.
Nov 20 13:34:54 <Aziroshin> I guess I could always jail qtmoko somewhere, though.
Nov 20 13:35:00 <PaulFertser> Oh, the SHR guys were trying to integrate SFLphone but i'm afraid they never finished the work.
Nov 20 13:35:13 <Aziroshin> I am affraid not too much is going on at SHR at the moment, either.
Nov 20 13:35:27 <PaulFertser> It's going steadily in fact.
Nov 20 13:35:33 <Aziroshin> It's good to hear. =D
Nov 20 13:35:48 <Aziroshin> *That's :[
Nov 20 13:36:39 <Aziroshin> SFLphone, huh. Let's look at that...
Nov 20 13:37:09 <Aziroshin> UI-independent, nice.
Nov 20 13:38:27 <Aziroshin> When looking for "regular phone support", what specifically would I be looking for?
Nov 20 13:38:55 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: it's not integrated anyhow with fso yet, i'm afraid.
Nov 20 13:39:10 <PaulFertser> mrmoku: might be able to tell you more about the effort.
Nov 20 13:39:22 <PaulFertser> Probably it all stopped on the "trying to build with OE" stage.
Nov 20 13:39:30 <Aziroshin> You mean sflphone (integrated)?
Nov 20 13:40:24 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: yes
Nov 20 13:40:57 <Aziroshin> I don't know anything how a phoning software communicates with the hardware connected to the SIM-card. I am currently googling, it seems a little tricky.
Nov 20 13:43:04 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: yes, some tricky GSM-modem aware daemon is needed, that's either fsogsmd or qtmoko integrated stuff in the openmoko world.
Nov 20 13:44:09 <Aziroshin> Does sflphone even feature such capabilities? If yes, what hardware or software has it been designed for in that regard?
Nov 20 13:46:58 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: it was supposed that it can give the solution with consistent interface for both gsm and sip.
Nov 20 13:48:23 <Aziroshin> And SHR wanted to enhance sflphone with GSM-abilities? Or are these abilities just of "general" nature (according to some standard) and the fso phone stack doesn't support them yet?
Nov 20 13:49:31 <Aziroshin> What I mean is, in case sflphone does have working gsm abilities, these must have been designed for some driver (kernel module) or something else. That would mean that I could just get "that", whatever it is, to get it working on some arbitrary distribution.
Nov 20 13:57:04 <PaulFertser> Aziroshin: SHR folks were planning on providing sflphone with necessary interface to use gsm abilities of all platforms supported by fsogsmd.
Nov 20 14:00:40 <Aziroshin> So, beyond that sflphone does not feature any gsm ability whatsoever?
Nov 20 14:07:34 <Heinervdm> I think it was the other way around, write a fsogsmd backend, that uses sflphone for SIP
Nov 20 14:08:51 <DocScrutinizer> sflphone?
Nov 20 14:09:10 <DocScrutinizer> why not telepathy?
Nov 20 14:09:38 <Heinervdm> both are ugly :)
Nov 20 14:09:44 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 20 14:09:49 <Heinervdm> or one is ugly and one is fat
Nov 20 14:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> but probably TP has way more support, and is a more general approach
Nov 20 14:11:21 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: nonono, fsogsmd is _damn_ lowlevel.
Nov 20 14:11:22 <Heinervdm> i think there were also atemps to use TP, i think morphis was playing with it
Nov 20 14:12:00 <PaulFertser> Heinervdm: sane phone applications shouldn't be using it at all, it should be one layer beneath. Unfortunately, FSO's ophoned went nowhere.
Nov 20 14:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> moo paul
Nov 20 14:12:04 <Heinervdm> PaulFertser: yes, it was in an other layer, ophonekitd or so
Nov 20 14:12:07 <PaulFertser> DocScrutinizer: hehheyhey
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