**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 26 02:59:57 2011 Nov 26 13:09:33 got my freerunner \o_ Nov 26 13:10:14 can anyone shed a light on distros? I was thinking of trying QT extended improved first Nov 26 13:11:58 battery life is pretty bad out of the box, I only get about a day Nov 26 13:22:29 lide: you should use suspend-to-ram Nov 26 13:22:44 lide: and about a day is ok for a heavy usage. Nov 26 13:23:25 lide: if you're interested in using it to actually make calls etc you can try qtmoko. Nov 26 13:27:40 it sat idle most of the time with bt and gps turned off, the default distro seems horrible though, couldn't find how to tweak anything Nov 26 13:28:50 lide: idle doesn't mean suspend-to-ram. "default distro" doesn't mean anything at all :) Nov 26 13:29:52 yeah I don't know what's going on in the phone as I couldn't even find a terminal emu on it :p Nov 26 13:32:13 qtmoko looks decent, I'll try that out too Nov 26 13:32:32 lide: is your device buzz-fixed? Nov 26 13:35:39 yeah it's A7 Nov 26 13:37:37 btw I found that sometimes when I suspend with qtmoko and I get back many hours later it has drained the battery and has died or is warning of low battery even though it was full before, any ideas what I'm doing wrong? Nov 26 13:38:10 many hours = e.g. 6h later or overnight Nov 26 13:42:50 Sazius: probably it resumed on its own due to incoming message or something and then didn't went to suspend again. Nov 26 13:44:45 ok, although I'm pretty sure I didn't get a message or call at that time Nov 26 13:50:24 why is SHR so popular? Nov 26 17:28:51 lide: because SHR is the main effort to bring free software telephony to the smartphones, most developers like its codebase etc. Nov 26 17:33:38 k Nov 26 17:40:22 PaulFertser: since you have all the answers, tell me why getting a decent on-screen keyboard has been such a challenge for the devs? :D Nov 26 18:05:29 lide: SHR has always counted on E17 to provide WM and other related functionality. Nov 26 18:05:53 lide: it was usually assumed that Raster's virtual keyboard is a really cool, decent, fast, nicely predictive etc etc. Nov 26 18:06:03 lide: what do you not like about it? Nov 26 19:57:42 PaulFertser: I haven't actually used any except the one that came with the phone (out of the box), just read complaints online about the kbs Nov 26 19:58:17 lide: what came with the phone? Nov 26 19:58:22 and was wondering what could be so difficult about it that the ones I've seen tend to turn out so crappy Nov 26 19:58:28 I can't possibly know Nov 26 19:58:34 Neither I :) Nov 26 19:58:36 the OS is ridiculous Nov 26 19:58:44 Which one? Nov 26 19:58:51 yeah, this one Nov 26 19:59:06 What? Nov 26 19:59:16 I can't possibly know :> Nov 26 19:59:26 the preinstalled one Nov 26 19:59:56 It can be anything, so that means nothing ;) Nov 26 20:00:14 I bought from golden delicious Nov 26 20:00:31 this is all I know, trying to install qtmoko at the moment Nov 26 20:01:09 but after flashing Qi and extracting the rootfs on micro-sd I only get empty screen on boot Nov 26 20:01:29 lide: how long do you wait? Nov 26 20:01:35 5 minutes Nov 26 20:01:54 the screen is lit up but nothing shows up Nov 26 20:02:16 lide: how many vibes did you feel after pressing power button? Nov 26 20:02:30 hm I think one but I'll recheck Nov 26 20:02:33 it is error code? Nov 26 20:02:50 lide: one means it couldn't load the kernel from the first uSD partition. Nov 26 20:02:57 I see Nov 26 20:03:39 I only created one partition, formatted ext3 and extracted the rootfs. do I need the kernel separately or should it be included? Nov 26 20:04:15 lide: the kernel should be in /boot/uImage-GTA02.bin Nov 26 20:05:42 I tried again and I don't feel any vibe Nov 26 20:09:39 it could be a problem with my laptop, there was an issue with SD cards Nov 26 20:09:45 Howdy everyone Nov 26 20:10:09 About to JTAG my Neo 1973 and load in OpenWRT Nov 26 20:10:57 namely this one... I couldn't mount it at first, it wouldn't show the device under /dev until I inserted another sd. then linux showed the device for it and I was able to mount, then I reinserted this one I'm using and I was able to mount it Nov 26 20:11:35 dmesg showed all kinds of errors Nov 26 20:11:55 so I wouldn't be completely surprised if the rootfs I extracted got corrupted somehow Nov 26 20:14:12 PaulFertser: correct, there's a uImage-GTA02.bin. however when I go to NOR uboot (aux+power?) and try to boot from micro-sd it says no uImage.bin found. is this at all related to what I'm trying to achieve. I don't understand why I needed to install Qi in the first place Nov 26 20:14:43 lide: do not use NOR uboot at all. Nov 26 20:14:50 so I was wondering now if renaming it to uImage.bin would help, but it this a separate issue? if I skip the menu it should use Qi right? Nov 26 20:14:50 lide: except for the DFU Nov 26 20:14:55 ok Nov 26 20:14:59 Keiz: should be possible even without JTAG :) Nov 26 20:16:26 ok when I turn it on I get a led flash, and a slightly longer flash I think (so 2 flashes). does this mean anything? Nov 26 20:23:14 PaulFertser, I have the dev kit and my friend bricked it back in 2008 and it hasn't run since so I am trying to revive it Nov 26 20:23:49 lide: take a look at the Qi page on the openmoko wiki. Nov 26 20:24:09 Keiz: flashing a bootloader would require JTAG then, yes. Nov 26 20:27:28 PaulFertser, This should be fun ^_^ Nov 26 20:33:33 lol it was running fsck Nov 26 20:33:51 and console was spouting errors like cannot initialiez /etc/mtab Nov 26 20:33:59 neo login: Segmentation fault :D Nov 26 20:34:13 but I got to the calibration screen after a few reboots Nov 26 21:05:15 usb 1.1, what were they thinking >__< Nov 26 21:06:46 lide: SoC limitation. Nov 26 21:08:00 ah Nov 26 21:23:13 PaulFertser, Will the battery charge even if the unit is bricked? Nov 26 21:24:44 Keiz: likely, no. Nov 26 21:24:59 Keiz: the default is 100mA and the unit will consume all that itself. Nov 26 21:25:15 Keiz: and do not ever try to start it without battery, it can be damaged permanently. Nov 26 21:43:35 I figured the sd was maybe broken because I'd get random errors on reboots and finally it complained about a lib missing when I had calibrated and configured the date/time and the system got stuck Nov 26 21:43:52 now I installed to NAND and get kernel panic on boot Nov 26 21:44:09 flashed Qi, kernel, then rootfs Nov 26 21:44:48 "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(31,6)" Nov 26 22:04:56 PaulFertser: How can I tell if the unit is completely bricked as there is not telling if it operation was attempted without the battery in Nov 26 22:05:11 I can never get this OpenOCD to load right with my debug board V3 Nov 26 22:05:30 (got it to work somehow, at least momentarily. qtmoko looks pretty good.) Nov 26 22:07:50 Error: JTAG scan chain interrogation failed: all zeroes Nov 26 22:08:34 I am using openocd-0.4.0-2 Nov 26 22:09:21 Oh snap I did the telnet 4444 and it actually responded Nov 26 22:09:23 Open On-Chip Debugger Nov 26 23:12:51 Fox_Muldr: Have you tried ezQuake? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 27 02:59:57 2011