**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 27 02:59:57 2012 Jan 27 19:15:50 Hi Jan 27 19:17:05 is possible to install some OpenMoko distribution on Nokia 6630? Jan 27 19:26:44 any answers? Jan 27 19:28:14 I haven't the faintest clue, but I find it very unlikely :) Jan 27 19:28:45 probably processor and architecture is totally different from OM. Jan 27 19:31:02 Ok, ok, but I saw sth about it some years ago Jan 27 19:31:43 OK, as I said I haven't the faintest clue. Just my guess :) Jan 27 21:43:29 skrzyp: it's not, nobody's was ever working on that i think. Jan 27 23:54:43 is gta04 no longer a drop-in board? Jan 27 23:55:33 Hi everyone :-) Jan 27 23:56:01 underwater: how do you mean? Jan 27 23:58:50 wbk: just been following the ML, and i got the impression from some of the discussions that the install will need to be a bit more technical than mainboard r&r Jan 28 00:01:15 undrwater: not technical in my experience: it involves unscrewing the cover of a neo1973 or a freerunner, disconnecting the cables and the display and doing the inverse with the new motherboard Jan 28 00:02:36 underwater: I got one of the early boards... I think the manual makes it seem more daunting than it is. Each step is covered in two or three pictures, so reading through the procedure takes almost more time than actually performing it Jan 28 00:02:56 i see...happy again Jan 28 00:03:34 undrwater: as stated in the manual and in the mailinglist: the part that takes most attention is removing the display, which is attached using double sided tape Jan 28 00:03:52 undrwater: hehehe... good to hear :-) Jan 28 00:04:45 undrwater: some of the mentions of soldering are specific to the early adopter boards, where a component was soldered on inverse from what it should have been Jan 28 00:06:22 undrwater: on my board, when I switch from internal antenna to external antenna signal, the power on the external antenna is switched of and internally on, and vice versa, resulting in a terribly bad GPS reception. In the "production" boards the problem is solved Jan 28 00:06:48 wbk: good to know... Jan 28 00:07:05 i'm excited to have a refreshed openmoko Jan 28 00:07:13 and piss off my wife again Jan 28 00:07:13 me too :-) Jan 28 00:07:17 hahahaa... Jan 28 00:07:27 that's a corner too well known... Jan 28 00:07:36 indeed Jan 28 00:07:56 still, good to hear I'm not alone in that ;-) Jan 28 00:08:14 does it still have both NOR and NAND? Jan 28 00:08:33 "more or less" Jan 28 00:08:50 in that there's an unbrickable boot loader and a writable one Jan 28 00:08:59 sweet... Jan 28 00:09:08 writable one allows for multiboot? Jan 28 00:09:21 the NOR boot loader is less noticable than on the freerunner though Jan 28 00:09:59 I haven't seen it yet, and what I read about it, I understand that it's more for recovery than it was in case of FR Jan 28 00:10:20 i see...like android? Jan 28 00:10:29 in my freerunner I used the NOR and the NAND boot loaders in similar frequency Jan 28 00:10:57 same here Jan 28 00:11:15 the phoenux / gta04 just turns on as soon as it has power, booting from NAND boot loader Jan 28 00:11:52 I'm not so familiar with android... Jan 28 00:12:38 ehh... that is... my wife has an android tab that I use as little as possible Jan 28 00:13:29 (I guess if I touch it more than twice a week I'll root it and do all kinds of things with it to make it a usable device...) Jan 28 00:15:40 undrwater: do you have any experience with git? Jan 28 00:18:19 wbk: yes Jan 28 00:18:49 I'm trying to build qtmoko, for which Radek has written a quite extensive howto Jan 28 00:19:13 I still get stuck checking out qtmoko though Jan 28 00:19:59 How can I make a virging git install aware of Radeks qtmoko on github? Jan 28 00:20:09 have you pinged Radek on the ML? Jan 28 00:20:18 not yet Jan 28 00:20:37 i haven't attempted anything like that recently, so i don't think i'll be of any use Jan 28 00:20:38 :( Jan 28 00:21:16 I'm not sure what timezone he's in, but mine is about bed time, so I just had a look on IRC for a quick reply, else it's mailing list indeed Jan 28 00:21:26 too bad ;-) Jan 28 00:22:00 it will wait Jan 28 00:22:25 it will :-) Are you near enough Belgium by the way to attend FOSDEM? Jan 28 00:22:58 los angels Jan 28 00:23:08 angels indeed...angeles Jan 28 00:23:25 sounds "not so near" to me, but all distances are relative of course... Jan 28 00:23:36 yes...i suppose i could attempt to swim Jan 28 00:24:11 hehe "Geek found drowning on its way to new phone" Jan 28 00:24:19 headlines for FOSDEM2013 Jan 28 00:24:49 great headline...not so great news! Jan 28 00:25:15 so.. you're not swimming, I understand ;-) Jan 28 00:25:38 well, someone undrwater already should be able to swim anyway Jan 28 00:25:54 should I bring my GTA02? Jan 28 00:26:04 Are you actually on the list for a GTA04, or seeing how things are going? Jan 28 00:26:05 hahaha Jan 28 00:26:16 Wonka: yes...but the records held are across lakes or channels...no oceans :) Jan 28 00:26:27 i'm seeing how things are going Jan 28 00:26:30 well... not undrwater without reasons I suppose Jan 28 00:26:46 i like to see the fishys! Jan 28 00:26:56 I'm interested in a GTA04 with everything... Jan 28 00:27:06 any gps reception down under? Jan 28 00:27:11 otherwise I'd need to buy an old GTA01/GTA02... Jan 28 00:27:23 as I want to keep my GTA02 as it is Jan 28 00:27:31 (underwater, for the Aussies under us.. between us) Jan 28 00:27:46 heheh Jan 28 00:27:57 Wonka: how you plan to use the gta02? Jan 28 00:28:58 undrwater: uh... I have used it as mobile IRC device, for OSM mapping with TangoGPS, and for geocaching with AGTL Jan 28 00:29:07 undrwater: I'd like to keep that up Jan 28 00:29:17 Wonka: nostalgia? Jan 28 00:30:02 wbk: "known working" Jan 28 00:30:09 hahaha Jan 28 00:30:11 aha Jan 28 00:30:16 good point Jan 28 00:30:25 "known defects" Jan 28 00:30:36 I see "using as a telefphone" missing Jan 28 00:31:08 (I have no right talking though, I have annoyed callers for years with an echo now...) Jan 28 00:32:06 I'm trying to build qtmoko to find out if I actually can place a call with my gta04, without the other side asking if I'm under water or using an experimental device again. Jan 28 00:32:15 while i had bluetooth headset working, it was great as a phone... Jan 28 00:32:27 wbk: 100% of all calls I tried to do with the GTA02 have succeeded. Jan 28 00:32:49 all two of them ;) Jan 28 00:33:07 hehhehe... Jan 28 00:33:22 actually, yes. exactly two. Jan 28 00:33:35 you're serious! Jan 28 00:33:42 yes. Jan 28 00:33:57 for phoning, I have an android phone now -.- Jan 28 00:34:05 or, to be true... Jan 28 00:34:15 for phoning I still use my Siemens S65 Jan 28 00:34:33 the android is my plaything for Internets and GPS... Jan 28 00:34:34 .. which lasts for a week on a single battery? Jan 28 00:34:52 wbk: mh, not anymore. two days max, the S65 Jan 28 00:35:13 the android about a day if I don't keep the display on all the time Jan 28 00:35:23 at least it gives some excuse to carry a bag full of gadgets.. Jan 28 00:35:29 and the FR... never seen it do more than 4h Jan 28 00:35:40 is there still someone working on the kernel anyways? Jan 28 00:35:47 which software are you running? Jan 28 00:35:53 been running SHR Jan 28 00:36:02 I have usually a day or so Jan 28 00:36:20 got a version from 2008, iirc, in flash, which "Just Works"... with bad battery life though... Jan 28 00:36:24 not with display and wifi on, of course Jan 28 00:36:55 a newer one, from svn, on uSDHC, which sucks planets through nanotubes Jan 28 00:37:03 give a recent SHR-core or qtmoko 35 or 37 a try Jan 28 00:37:08 and a debian, which is... different Jan 28 00:37:28 yes, with zhone on it? Jan 28 00:37:37 no zhone on debian... Jan 28 00:37:44 I wanted foxtrotgps Jan 28 00:38:03 there is no way to get GPS with only debian Jan 28 00:38:17 I needed the fsogpsd from SHR too Jan 28 00:38:34 it's all so broken... Jan 28 00:38:39 :-( Jan 28 00:38:46 and I don't even know where to start Jan 28 00:38:55 haven't used it for quite some time now Jan 28 00:39:15 AGTL was such a nice thing... and AAGTL, although trying to be similar, isn't. Jan 28 00:39:15 between the broken bits, is there anything in gps tracks or such to salvage? Jan 28 00:39:30 well, yes. Jan 28 00:39:37 when I got GPS to work, it worked fine Jan 28 00:39:48 once, I even had internet via gprs... Jan 28 00:40:01 but I couldn't reproduce that the last time I tried Jan 28 00:40:27 If you got an empty uSD card lying around, give one of the newer distros a try Jan 28 00:40:39 I might... when I find some time... Jan 28 00:40:49 I liked SHR quite much Jan 28 00:40:55 with illume (not illume2!) Jan 28 00:41:09 that's always the thing indeed .... Both SHR and QtMoko give me no hassles, or hardly any Jan 28 00:41:46 SHR is better at combining GPRS while being able to receive phonecalls Jan 28 00:42:06 QtMoko really looks like a "phone" Jan 28 00:43:53 Since beginning of 2010 I've used GPRS without thinking about it in SHR, though it would drop the connection on high traffic Jan 28 00:44:57 I'll be off in a couple of minutes Jan 28 00:47:02 is raster still working on illume? i thought it was replaced by a different product Jan 28 00:49:25 I'm not sure who's working on it, but illume is in shr-core (follow-up on shr-testing/shr-unstable/shr-stable) Jan 28 00:55:01 bye! Jan 28 00:55:14 night, everyone Jan 28 00:55:31 good night! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 28 02:59:59 2012