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Jun 01 08:00:19 <Qantourisc> Is gta04 ready for daily use ?
Jun 01 08:16:23 <DocScrutinizer51> gta04 probably is. The question though is which distro to use on it
Jun 01 08:22:31 <Qantourisc> Well at this point if I can call i'm rather happy :)
Jun 01 08:23:07 <Qantourisc> DocScrutinizer51: you using gta04 ?
Jun 01 08:23:31 <Qantourisc> android: holefest + this is no distro, it's distro masacrated by every phone vendor
Jun 01 08:23:57 <Qantourisc> iphone: there policy and way of working and closeness bugs the hell out of me
Jun 01 08:24:06 <Qantourisc> openmako is the only alternative i can find
Jun 01 08:29:00 <vilpan> Qantourisc: mer is an interesting project as well
Jun 01 08:29:20 <Qantourisc> or mer, or lxde
Jun 01 08:29:22 <Qantourisc> any of them :)
Jun 01 08:29:54 <Qantourisc> Point is: peaple are paying MORE then a cheap PC, but are ALLOWED to do less with it ... ?!?
Jun 01 08:31:34 <vilpan> Qantourisc: I have the same "wtf?!" feeling, though, it's obvious most people just don't care enough.
Jun 01 08:32:04 <Qantourisc> But before I spend 700€ on something that might be worthless... I need to know if it's usable :/
Jun 01 08:32:09 <vilpan> just like we could wonder why there are so many people willing to pay a lot for a proprietary desktop OS that's broken in so many ways.
Jun 01 08:32:54 <Qantourisc> Games, and other broken properietary software, and habbit
Jun 01 08:33:17 <vilpan> the only explanation I know is that most people aren't willing to make their own decisions on the way their systems will run. They want it to work and have the decisions made for them, even if that means losing a lot of flexibility.
Jun 01 08:33:23 <aloniv> Qantourisc: you can always get gta02 - much cheaper...
Jun 01 08:33:37 <Qantourisc> and slower ? 
Jun 01 08:34:36 <aloniv> yeah but it's more than usable...
Jun 01 08:34:58 <Qantourisc> gta04 not ?
Jun 01 08:35:05 <Qantourisc> of you mean the speed :)
Jun 01 08:35:12 <aloniv> qtmoko and om2009 are pretty fast for regular phone use...
Jun 01 08:35:49 <Qantourisc> can you still buy gta02 ?
Jun 01 08:36:08 <aloniv> yes...you can buy new or second hand...
Jun 01 08:36:36 <aloniv> if you want one with 1024 fix (deep sleep) it will cost more...
Jun 01 08:37:46 <Qantourisc> Where is the gta02 shop ? :p
Jun 01 08:39:16 <aloniv> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors
Jun 01 08:39:53 <aloniv> http://openmobil.eu/ is cheapest but it isn't buzz fixed...
Jun 01 08:40:29 <Qantourisc> 230 ... well that can make a person doubt :p
Jun 01 08:41:05 <aloniv> 139 euros...
Jun 01 08:41:11 <aloniv> what is 230?
Jun 01 08:41:23 <Qantourisc> 230€
Jun 01 08:42:00 <Qantourisc> or 139 yes :)
Jun 01 08:43:13 <aloniv> it's a lot less than gta04...
Jun 01 08:43:23 <Qantourisc> yea
Jun 01 08:43:32 <Qantourisc> not quite sure why a phone costs 700€ :)
Jun 01 08:43:39 <Qantourisc> what's so dam expensive ? :)
Jun 01 08:46:10 <aloniv> 749 euros compared to 139 euros...
Jun 01 08:47:13 <Qantourisc> i'm not following
Jun 01 08:47:54 <aloniv> gta04 complete (including case) costs 749 euros, gta02 (worst version but includes case) costs 139 euros
Jun 01 08:53:37 <aloniv> back in a sec
Jun 01 09:33:19 <radekp> Qantourisc: if you care about supporting future then GTA04 is the choice
Jun 01 09:34:48 <radekp> Qantourisc: it's so expencive because only few people already bought it - the more units are sold the better price it will be
Jun 01 09:38:07 <Qantourisc> If mail, and phone works, i'm kind of happy
Jun 01 09:38:23 <Qantourisc> if webcaldav, vcarddav works, i'm happier :)
Jun 01 09:38:52 <Qantourisc> If it comes with packages from a large distro, even more :)
Jun 01 09:39:44 <Qantourisc> PS, howlong does it last in idle ?
Jun 01 10:21:07 <DocScrutinizer51> vilpan: you're not paying for the OS with GTA04
Jun 01 10:44:04 <vilpan> DocScrutinizer51: sure, I was referring to Windows, which is sadly popular :)
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