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Jul 22 11:46:41 <Thor> does anyone here know where I can find a compiled kernel (which doesn't panic) for my neo freerunner ?
Jul 22 11:47:40 <PaulFertser> Thor: shr's 2.6.39 works for me
Jul 22 11:48:04 <Thor> I'll try that particular one then.
Jul 22 11:49:13 <Thor> PaulFertser: http://build.shr-project.org/#!/shr-kernels/om-gta02/kernel-39-without-pers-patchset/
Jul 22 11:49:17 <Thor> PaulFertser: this one ?
Jul 22 11:50:40 <PaulFertser> Thor: http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.39-r12-om-gta02-20120525082154.bin + http://build.shr-project.org/shr-core/images/om-gta02/modules-2.6.39.4-r12-om-gta02.tgz
Jul 22 11:51:17 <Thor> hmm
Jul 22 11:51:21 <Thor> Okay thanks.
Jul 22 11:51:34 <Thor> I'll try with neotool and if it doesn't work, I'll do it in CLI.
Jul 22 11:52:49 <PaulFertser> Thor: i'm using 10MHz SD clock frequency with that.
Jul 22 11:53:19 <Thor> Okay
Jul 22 11:53:40 <Thor> I don't use a SD card, so for now I won't need that :)
Jul 22 11:57:44 <Thor> PaulFertser: given I put the kernel from the link you provided, how should I add the kernel modules ?
Jul 22 11:58:50 <PaulFertser> Thor: there's no easy way to put them to NAND unless you boot from uSD or flash a matching rootfs.
Jul 22 11:59:36 <Thor> okay
Jul 22 12:00:42 <Thor> But shouldn't a starting kernel write a few lines while booting ?
Jul 22 12:00:52 <PaulFertser> Thor: only one
Jul 22 12:00:53 <Thor> 'cause I only get a (backlit) black screen right now.
Jul 22 12:01:14 <PaulFertser> Thor: what's your bootloader?
Jul 22 12:01:32 <Thor> That might be a good starting point indeed.
Jul 22 12:01:50 <Thor> I figured out that the bootloader was written in ROM and wasn't replacable
Jul 22 12:01:58 <PaulFertser> Thor: on gta02 it's not.
Jul 22 12:02:03 <Thor> oh okay.
Jul 22 12:02:09 <PaulFertser> Actually gta02 has two bootloaders.
Jul 22 12:02:16 <Thor> I knew only that
Jul 22 12:02:23 <PaulFertser> One in NOR memory and it shouldn't be used for booting at all.
Jul 22 12:02:24 <Thor> But I thought that both were written on ROM
Jul 22 12:02:28 <PaulFertser> The other you can replace.
Jul 22 12:02:30 <Thor> and I was wondering whhy.
Jul 22 12:02:31 <Thor> why*
Jul 22 12:02:35 <PaulFertser> Thor: no, NOR is reflashable too.
Jul 22 12:02:59 <Thor> So you can flash BOTH of your bootloaders ?
Jul 22 12:03:16 <PaulFertser> Sure, but you shouldn't touch the NOR one to have it as a fallback.
Jul 22 12:03:26 <Thor> yep indeed
Jul 22 12:03:35 <Thor> or I could brick my freerunner
Jul 22 12:03:37 <PaulFertser> Also, flashing NOR requires either the openmoko debugboard or soldering a wire to two testpoints.
Jul 22 12:03:47 <Thor> that makes sense.
Jul 22 12:04:13 <Thor> so NOR is an EEPROM ?
Jul 22 12:04:32 <PaulFertser> Thor: of course, both NOR and NAND are different types of EEPROM.
Jul 22 12:04:54 <Thor> yep okay
Jul 22 12:05:05 <Thor> but back to my problem
Jul 22 12:05:15 <Thor> I think I'll bypass the neotool
Jul 22 12:05:17 <PaulFertser> Thor: what bootloader are you using?
Jul 22 12:05:54 <Thor> ah no, my bad, it allows to flash the booloader too
Jul 22 12:06:11 <Thor> so I should have read all options instead of trying to flash the kernel again and again.
Jul 22 12:06:18 <Thor> I've not flashed the bootloader
Jul 22 12:06:27 <Thor> So I don't really know what bootloader I'm using.
Jul 22 12:07:41 <PaulFertser> Thor: then flash Qi from the same link as was the kernel.
Jul 22 12:08:43 <Thor> okay
Jul 22 12:12:21 <Thor> I've tried to boot with the NOR bootloader and I get the same result
Jul 22 12:12:24 <Thor> black backlit screen
Jul 22 12:13:07 <Thor> Well it was the bootloader
Jul 22 12:13:23 <Thor> and I don't know why the NOR bootloader fails, but it fails.
Jul 22 12:13:55 <PaulFertser> Thor: nor bootloader shouldn't be used for booting at all :)
Jul 22 12:14:05 <PaulFertser> Thor: please flash Qi, and boot it holding the power button down.
Jul 22 12:14:08 <Thor> I used it to debug
Jul 22 12:14:14 <PaulFertser> Thor: that way you'll see the full kernel output.
Jul 22 12:14:17 <Thor> yep
Jul 22 12:14:20 <Thor> I've done that.
Jul 22 12:14:22 <Thor> It works.
Jul 22 12:14:32 <Thor> it says "Please wait, booting..."
Jul 22 12:14:36 <Thor> So, I wait.
Jul 22 12:14:58 <PaulFertser> Thor: do you mean the kernel is fully booted and that's the userspace printing?
Jul 22 12:14:59 <Thor> it takes a lot of time to boot...
Jul 22 12:15:14 <Thor> ah
Jul 22 12:15:19 <Thor> well
Jul 22 12:15:27 <Thor> I had one line of dmesg
Jul 22 12:15:44 <Thor> then, the splash
Jul 22 12:15:55 <Thor> and after one minute or so
Jul 22 12:16:10 <Thor> I got a black backlit screen for a few seconds
Jul 22 12:16:29 <Thor> then a graphical process unit artefact
Jul 22 12:16:47 <Thor> and now it seems I access the user space!
Jul 22 12:16:49 <Thor> :D
Jul 22 12:16:50 <PaulFertser> Thor: so the kernel boots allright
Jul 22 12:16:55 <Thor> yes!
Jul 22 12:17:32 <PaulFertser> What was the culprit?
Jul 22 12:17:32 <Thor> Hmm
Jul 22 12:17:40 <Thor> the bootloader I guess
Jul 22 12:17:47 <Thor> since it was a bootloader installed back in 2008
Jul 22 12:17:58 <PaulFertser> :D
Jul 22 12:18:14 <Thor> But the touchscreen isn't responsive =/
Jul 22 12:18:26 <Thor> on a smartphone, this is quite limiting
Jul 22 12:18:30 <Thor> or it lags, dunno.
Jul 22 12:18:41 <Thor> but the rest of the phone works
Jul 22 12:18:49 <Thor> I got two "Incomming message"
Jul 22 12:18:55 <Thor> :)
Jul 22 12:24:50 <Thor> PaulFertser: thanks for having pointed out the bootloader thing
Jul 22 12:25:02 <Thor> PaulFertser: I didn't think about that one, as I said
Jul 22 12:25:09 <Thor> and it solved all :)
Jul 22 12:25:14 <Thor> I have a neat phone now!
Jul 22 12:25:37 <PaulFertser> Thor: lucky you, welcome :)
Jul 22 12:25:46 <Thor> ;)
Jul 22 12:25:55 <Thor> what, you don't have a freeruner yourself ?
Jul 22 12:26:49 <PaulFertser> Thor: i do but i do not enjoy using it.
Jul 22 12:26:56 <PaulFertser> Sometimes
Jul 22 12:27:00 <Thor> why so ?
Jul 22 12:28:28 <PaulFertser> Thor: i somewhat miss stability, and also hardware keyboard...
Jul 22 12:28:48 <Thor> so you use a blackberry ?
Jul 22 12:29:05 <PaulFertser> Thor: no, gta02 is my only cellphone for probably about 3 years already.
Jul 22 12:29:24 <Thor> So, you don't use a mobile phone at all ?
Jul 22 12:29:39 <PaulFertser> Thor: i use my gta02
Jul 22 12:29:41 <PaulFertser> Daily
Jul 22 12:30:27 <Thor> Ah okay :)
Jul 22 12:30:36 <Thor> but yet you don't enjoy it...
Jul 22 12:32:59 <Thor> PaulFertser: do you know the default IP of the latest SHR release ?
Jul 22 12:33:14 <Thor> is it still 192.168.0.202 ?
Jul 22 12:33:16 <PaulFertser> Thor: hm... that changed from what it was before.
Jul 22 12:33:35 <Thor> 'cause I can't reach my phone using that IP...
Jul 22 12:33:53 <PaulFertser> Thor: indeed. The current SHR manual should have it listed.
Jul 22 12:34:01 <Thor> okay
Jul 22 12:37:30 <Thor> PaulFertser: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manuals/SHR says 192.168.0.202
Jul 22 12:37:43 <Thor> but "ip a s" on the freerunner says 192.168.2.7
Jul 22 12:38:06 <Thor> sorry
Jul 22 12:38:09 <Thor> 192.168.7.2
Jul 22 12:38:24 <PaulFertser> Thor: yep, that manual is wrong. Newer is at shr-project.org
Jul 22 12:39:26 <Thor> I didn't find it...
Jul 22 12:39:27 <Thor> but well
Jul 22 12:39:56 <Thor> maybe it's because when I go to shr-project, I ALWAYS go to build.shr-project.org first...
Jul 22 12:42:55 <Thor> wow, it's REALLY difficult to type ^D to get out of the phone terminal :D
Jul 22 12:43:05 <Thor> with the tiny onscreen keyboard
Jul 22 12:43:13 <Thor> I did ^F
Jul 22 12:43:20 <Thor> then ^R
Jul 22 12:43:21 <PaulFertser> Thor: i use Emacs only for the telephony on my FR.
Jul 22 12:43:29 <Thor> :)
Jul 22 12:43:30 <PaulFertser> Thor: typing with a fingernail.
Jul 22 12:43:35 <Thor> yep
Jul 22 12:44:13 <Thor> They should have included a touch screen pen with the phone
Jul 22 12:44:13 <Thor> :P
Jul 22 12:55:46 <Thor> PaulFertser: I can't add any contacts...
Jul 22 12:55:51 <Thor> PaulFertser: any idea why ?
Jul 22 12:58:03 <PaulFertser> Thor: heh, no
Jul 22 12:59:15 <Thor> too bad.
Jul 22 12:59:30 <Thor> well I'll use the terminal to note the phone numbers then.
Jul 22 12:59:33 <PaulFertser> I'm not using SHR, using Debian with self-compiled FSO.
Jul 22 13:00:11 <Thor> oh okay :)
Jul 22 13:00:18 <Thor> that the next step, to me.
Jul 22 13:00:33 <Thor> But I haven't been able to enjoy the phone with the SHR distribution for now
Jul 22 13:00:51 <Thor> so I think I'll use that one for a lil while ;)
Jul 22 13:01:10 <PaulFertser> :)
Jul 22 13:07:58 <Thor> PaulFertser: so, the drivers you gave me, I just unpack the tgz in my / and reboot the phone ?
Jul 22 13:08:02 <Thor> that's all ?
Jul 22 13:09:06 <PaulFertser> Thor: yes, but if you're using the rootfs from that location, there's no need.
Jul 22 13:11:11 <Thor> ?
Jul 22 13:11:33 <Thor> I have downloaded the .tgz on my computer
Jul 22 13:11:43 <Thor> I've set up a usb network to ssh into the fr
Jul 22 13:11:58 <Thor> I've scp the files in the /home/root folder on the fr
Jul 22 13:12:11 <Thor> and now I'll move these files into /lib on the fr
Jul 22 13:12:18 <Thor> that's right, isn't it ?
Jul 22 13:12:36 <PaulFertser> Thor: what rootfs have you flashed?
Jul 22 13:13:08 <Thor> by rootfs, you mean the version of the SHR build, or the type of the memory I've installed it on ?
Jul 22 13:14:47 <PaulFertser> Thor: the version
Jul 22 13:15:02 <PaulFertser> Thor: if you downloaded it from the same place as the kernel, it already has all the modules.
Jul 22 13:15:32 <Thor> ah
Jul 22 13:16:01 <Thor> well, when I "ls /lib", I don't see a firmware directory
Jul 22 13:16:09 <Thor> so, I guess they aren't there.
Jul 22 13:16:36 <Thor> I installed this : shr-image-om-gta02-20120321230641.rootfs.ubi
Jul 22 13:18:45 <PaulFertser> Thor: FR doesn't need firmware
Jul 22 13:19:01 <PaulFertser> If you do not connect some additionals devices via usb.
Jul 22 13:29:10 <Thor> well
Jul 22 13:29:16 <Thor> I plan to do some hardware hacking
Jul 22 13:29:24 <Thor> so I'll let that in firmware
Jul 22 13:29:28 <Thor> can't be harmful anyway
Jul 22 16:19:56 <ndnihil> holy crap
Jul 22 16:20:01 <ndnihil> people still use these things!
Jul 22 16:20:04 <ndnihil> :)
Jul 22 16:20:59 <PaulFertser> We really do
Jul 22 16:21:09 <ndnihil> heheh
Jul 22 16:21:12 <PaulFertser> There's still no viable alternative
Jul 22 16:21:22 <ndnihil> sadly true
Jul 22 16:22:06 <ndnihil> what's the state of dists for them these days?
Jul 22 16:22:20 <ndnihil> I've been wanting to stick debian on mine
Jul 22 16:22:24 <ndnihil> but I hate to ruin the uptime
Jul 22 16:22:36 <ndnihil> ancient SHR
Jul 22 16:22:45 <ndnihil> one of the nightly builds
Jul 22 16:22:52 <ndnihil>  12:08:17 up 833 days, 13:36,  1 user,  load average: 0.07, 0.15, 0.16
Jul 22 16:25:26 <PaulFertser> Oh my, so cool
Jul 22 16:25:36 <PaulFertser> Impressive, really
Jul 22 16:25:44 <PaulFertser> I guess you do not use it much though ;)
Jul 22 16:26:20 <ndnihil> I was using it in the car for a while
Jul 22 16:26:26 <ndnihil> had it pretending it was a cd changer
Jul 22 16:26:33 <ndnihil> interfaced to the factory head unit for control
Jul 22 16:26:58 <ndnihil> haven't had it in the car in a couple years though
Jul 22 16:29:18 <ndnihil> Branch: shr/import
Jul 22 16:29:21 <ndnihil> Build Host: opmbuild
Jul 22 16:29:21 <ndnihil> Time Stamp: Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:40:04 +0200
Jul 22 16:29:43 <PaulFertser> Great
Jul 22 16:30:25 <ndnihil> what's the current favorite?
Jul 22 16:30:43 <PaulFertser> Most users seem to be happy with QtMoko
Jul 22 16:31:39 <ndnihil> did they ever get phone functions working with straight debian?
Jul 22 16:31:53 <ndnihil> I'd be sticking it back in the car rather than using it as a phone
Jul 22 16:32:05 <ndnihil> but I'd like to be able to talk to the car via the cellular network
Jul 22 16:32:08 <ndnihil> I don't need a UI
Jul 22 16:32:13 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: actually i'm using straight debian
Jul 22 16:32:20 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: with fso compiled myself.
Jul 22 16:32:23 <PaulFertser> So, sort of.
Jul 22 16:34:04 <ndnihil> I think debian would give me better options for development
Jul 22 16:34:12 <ndnihil> that's why I pulled it out of the car in the first place
Jul 22 16:34:24 <ndnihil> wanted to implement some obd2 stuff
Jul 22 16:34:53 <ndnihil> and re-purpose the display I originally did for a boost gauge
Jul 22 16:36:22 <ndnihil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwH2AzH8nMU
Jul 22 16:36:38 <ndnihil> I've since replaced that with a dial type boost/vac gauge
Jul 22 16:38:41 <PaulFertser> ndnihil: what song was that? :)
Jul 22 16:39:02 <ndnihil> hrm, good question
Jul 22 16:39:18 <ndnihil> love gun I think was the name?
Jul 22 16:39:31 <ndnihil> old blues guy
Jul 22 16:39:35 <ndnihil> can't remember his name
Jul 22 16:39:41 <ndnihil> taj mahal maybe
Jul 22 16:40:53 <PaulFertser> :)
Jul 22 16:43:41 <ndnihil> definitely taj
Jul 22 16:43:46 <ndnihil> narrowing down song title now
Jul 22 16:46:12 <ndnihil> if you like blues, definitely check out taj mahal
Jul 22 16:46:15 <ndnihil> he's old school
Jul 22 16:54:47 <ndnihil> I can't for the life of me find the name of that song
Jul 22 16:55:50 <ndnihil> DOH
Jul 22 16:55:52 <ndnihil> that's not taj
Jul 22 16:55:56 <ndnihil> that's albert king
Jul 22 16:55:59 <ndnihil> "the hunter"
Jul 22 16:56:55 <ndnihil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHxsjJ3BdLQ
Jul 22 16:57:24 <ndnihil> albert king is another old school blues great
Jul 22 16:59:24 <ndnihil> only had to search through a few terabytes of music :)
Jul 22 17:02:46 <ndnihil> hrm, I wonder if debian+FSO would be possible for the droid1
Jul 22 17:02:50 <ndnihil> it has an open bootloader
Jul 22 17:02:55 <ndnihil> unlike my droid4
Jul 22 17:03:34 <ndnihil> but, it has no (reasonably attainable) USB host mode
Jul 22 17:03:56 <ndnihil> which would make hooking up the OBDII cable and flash drives a bitch
Jul 22 17:06:40 <ndnihil> looks like FSO stopped maintaining a debian package?
Jul 22 17:20:20 <ndnihil> oh
Jul 22 17:20:22 <ndnihil> derp
Jul 22 17:20:26 <ndnihil> it's mainstream debian now
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