**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 07 02:59:58 2013 Apr 07 03:24:37 doc Apr 07 03:25:32 any cool tablets with the gta04? Apr 07 14:27:02 My n900 is dead :(. Thinking what to try next. anyone tried ubutu phone? Is it usable as daily phone? Apr 07 14:28:23 gena2x: ogra on #ac100 is one of the devs Apr 07 14:28:30 gena2x: you can ask him :) Apr 07 14:28:33 gena2x: hi btw :) Apr 07 14:28:43 gena2x: if you liked n900 why do not you get another one? Apr 07 14:28:47 PaulFertser: hi Paul! Apr 07 14:33:00 PaulFertser: I think i can repair it (it just has broken wire between lcd/kbd and cpu), so i am just thinking about different options: repair n900, switch to gta04 and use gta02 while receiving it, switch to ubuntu phone or forget about phone stuff, ssh and apt completely and switch to android =) Apr 07 14:33:32 gena2x: cyanogen community is absolutely sick afaict. Apr 07 14:33:44 So i do net expect any good from android. Apr 07 14:35:23 i see that i can get nexus for $200 on avito and install ununtu to it, and it will be relatively free, apt-based, ssh accessinble, with actively developed. sounds good? Apr 07 14:36:08 this would also include pretty good hardware for low price Apr 07 14:36:44 question is how usable the ubuntu phone edition. Apr 07 14:38:11 What are you using now by the way? GTA04? Apr 07 14:42:00 n900 is very nice btw, but ufortunately dead end =( Apr 07 14:42:28 gena2x: still on my gta02 Apr 07 14:44:28 hardcore... Apr 07 14:45:48 gena2x: running XMonad! Apr 07 14:48:37 tiling wm... without keyboard... Apr 07 14:49:27 gena2x: works much better than Enlightment. https://gitorious.org/xmonad-smartphone-config/xmonad-smartphone-config/blobs/master/README.org Apr 07 14:51:18 PaulFertser, heh, i like this 'fingernail' word =) Apr 07 14:51:40 gena2x: why? Sounds quite usual to me. Apr 07 14:52:52 PaulFertser: and for all freerunner users. rest of the world use just finger =) Apr 07 14:53:45 gena2x: i still prefer resistive screens. N900 is resistive too. Apr 07 14:57:59 PaulFertser: i mean that as the screen is quite small and edges are not accessible and lack of stylus, slowness of device (so it's not easy to correct typos), all freerunner users (including me while i were using it) are using fingernails very often, while on other devices it's enough to use just fingers, in almost all cases. Apr 07 15:00:19 PaulFertser, and don't take this seriously please... Apr 07 15:03:01 gena2x: i think it's not about slowness, but the screen size mostly. Yes, i do not like the small screen too. But well, I'm just trying to configure Emacs and xvkbd the way it would be tolerable. And in fact it is. I've also fixed some annoying fsogsmd bugs recently and now the nastiest thing i have is a hardcore resume issue that happens once in 50 times or so. Apr 07 15:03:53 PaulFertser, yeah, i can recall this hardcore resume thing... Apr 07 15:04:09 PaulFertser, sad nobody fixed it yet.. Apr 07 15:05:46 gena2x: i do not have the debug board so it's not easy for me to try to fix it. It means if i want to try i should solder a jtag adapter directly, get the dump, then desolder and use my phone as usual while trying to understand the dump. And then repeat several times... Apr 07 15:06:18 PaulFertser: i can bring llindi's dboard for you... Apr 07 15:06:34 gena2x: are you nearby any time soon? Apr 07 15:06:43 gena2x: i'm not sure if i'm "cool" enough to tackle that bug though. Apr 07 15:07:09 gena2x: but lindi- tought me how to reproduce it, in about an hour so it's at least possible to try... Apr 07 15:07:54 PaulFertser, not yet, but I can ask is anyone going there, so it may take month of two, but occasionally possible Apr 07 15:08:05 s/is/if/ Apr 07 15:08:06 gena2x meant: PaulFertser, not yet, but I can ask if anyone going there, so it may take month of two, but occasionally possible Apr 07 15:09:51 gena2x: it's faster to source it here. It's just that i do not feel i can do that, the issue seems so complicated. I can even use lindi's hack to split the RAM and use special qi version and to reproduce it and get the dump after wdt reset... Apr 07 15:10:53 you mean ramconsole patch? Apr 07 15:11:07 yes, actually much may be done without dboard Apr 07 15:12:14 or the thing with fast removing the battery so ram is not reset? Apr 07 15:12:26 that was really cool stuff Apr 07 15:14:08 i'll ask if anyone heading moscow anyway Apr 07 15:14:26 and if they are, transfer it to you Apr 07 15:16:41 PaulFertser, heh, you inspired me to delay decision and use gta02 for a while =) Apr 07 15:17:36 gena2x: :) Apr 07 15:18:36 any description on how to reproduce that hardcore resume stuff? Apr 07 15:21:31 gena2x: http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/openmoko/crash/README point 9 Apr 07 15:22:04 thanks Apr 07 15:28:34 gena2x: if you get the dump with 2.6.39 please do not hesitate sharing :) Apr 07 15:29:26 sure Apr 07 15:43:32 eh, quest just started - dfu-util is not working for some reason... Apr 07 15:48:13 gena2x: what does it say? Apr 07 15:50:02 nothing, just slowly drawing '#' in 'Starting download: [##' (like 4 minutes), than 'dfu_download: libusb_control_transfer returned -7' Apr 07 15:50:13 i guess i should try different host kernel... Apr 07 15:50:46 Or different cable Apr 07 15:50:50 Or usb port. Apr 07 15:51:05 cable already tried, so kernel and port left =) Apr 07 15:53:49 or exchange person who types commands. it was wrong partition =) Apr 07 15:58:54 gena2x: heh :) Apr 07 16:01:00 btw, it's funny that qtmoko on freerunner boots much faster than n900 =) Apr 07 16:02:12 it's also cool that you never have to wait for 30 minutes to charge being in booloader if battery fully discharged Apr 07 16:06:14 I think it's better to have it like n900 than to occassionally struggle with an unbootable gta02 with flat battery. Apr 07 16:06:52 you just unlucky =) mine can boot without battery. always =) Apr 07 16:09:55 another nice feature btw Apr 07 16:11:02 I'd just set default limit to 500 mA in violation of the specs... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Apr 08 02:59:58 2013