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Sep 26 14:43:41 <tgs3> hmm openmoko project is alive? :)
Sep 26 14:44:12 <tgs3> can I just buy it e.g. today and use it as smartphone with GMS G3 GPS that runs linux, and use pidgin, thunderbird, console, gcc on it?
Sep 26 14:49:51 <PBeck> tgs3: its still alive as gta04 project from golden delicous
Sep 26 14:50:34 <PBeck> tgs3: but also you can buy a freerunner from some resellers
Sep 26 14:50:55 <PBeck> tgs3: http://pulster.de/
Sep 26 14:51:16 <PBeck> tgs3: ich think the best working distribution is qtmoko
Sep 26 14:51:19 <PBeck> *i
Sep 26 14:51:32 <tgs3> mhm
Sep 26 14:52:16 <tgs3> so what kind of money is needed to have a phone with at least pgp email, pidgin, encrypted over internet voip, and best some simple navigation, web browser, on open software and if possible quite open or open hardwre
Sep 26 14:55:14 <PBeck> your purpose is very special and i think its not so easy to fulfill this ;)
Sep 26 14:58:24 <PBeck> tgs3: have a look at the qtmoko software or shr (i am not sure if its still alive?)
Sep 26 14:58:52 <PBeck> tgs3: navigation is a problem i think - a map viewer is available
Sep 26 14:59:31 <PBeck> webbrowser are available, but i think it makes not much fun to use it
Sep 26 15:00:02 <PBeck> tgs3: but its possible to run desktop software on the devices - but it makes no fun.
Sep 26 15:14:44 <tgs3> oki
Sep 26 16:44:01 <PBeck> tgs3: i liked maemo btw
Sep 26 16:44:32 <PBeck> tgs3: perhaps sailfish or ubuntuphone is also interesting for you - but no hardware in the moment
Sep 26 16:44:50 <PBeck> tgs3: then you can buy a nexus and flash ubuntu touch
Sep 26 16:46:18 <tgs3> hmm
Sep 26 16:46:47 <tgs3> from all the options, was any (that allows over-G3 encrypted voip) also using open hardware, or best fully open hardware?
Sep 26 16:52:19 <PBeck> i am not an expert for encryption, sorry
Sep 26 16:52:52 * PBeck has a Samsung Galaxy S3 ... and sorry he likes it :/
Sep 26 16:53:22 <PBeck> the freerunner was a great device - but for me it never works as daily phone
Sep 26 17:53:58 <dos1> tgs3: http://neo900.org/
Sep 26 17:54:29 <dos1> new GTA04 incarnation you might be interested in (but not released yet)
Sep 26 17:57:09 <tgs3> PBeck: what was it lacking to be nice daily phone?
Sep 26 18:03:34 <dos1> freerunner can be sometimes annoying
Sep 26 18:03:52 <dos1> you need to be very patient and determined to use it
Sep 26 18:04:20 <dos1> but I still wouldn't replace it with anything less open and free
Sep 26 18:06:57 <PBeck> tgs3: software ;)
Sep 26 19:06:36 <PaulFertser> dos1: yay!
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