**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 14 02:59:56 2021 May 14 20:14:09 is anyone here still using their gta02? which distro and for what usecase? May 14 20:14:48 henk: I'm using, connected to a laptop due to bad battery and damaged touchscreen May 14 20:15:12 henk: plain Debian, as before. Voice and messages via SMS May 14 20:21:22 PaulFertser: errr, that sounds … a bit impractical o_O it’s not your primary phone, is it? just some fallback, or so? May 14 20:22:01 henk: I do not use any other phone, I'm too unhappy with the technology and network operators etc. May 14 20:22:14 henk: I use a fixed landline phone at home in addition to that. May 14 20:23:03 henk: I was carrying that gta02 with me everywhere before I damaged the touchscreen and used it as a cell phone, was taking notes in org-mode etc. May 14 20:24:14 PaulFertser: oh, wow ok May 14 20:24:50 henk: if someone needs me I'm available via e-mail, jabber, irc; I do not think a cell phone is a necessity. May 14 20:30:46 PaulFertser: yeah, I understand and agree, in particular with the 'unhappy' part … May 14 20:32:47 PaulFertser: have you tried getting a replacement (gta02|battery)? May 14 20:34:19 henk: replacement batteries are available everywhere, it's just nokia bl-5c May 14 20:35:01 PaulFertser: have you looked at pinephone and/or librem 5? are you unhappy with those too? if so, why? May 14 20:37:09 henk: pinephone I'd consider, the pine company seems to be sane and nice. I'm "a bit" disturbed that their primary discussion channels are web forum (and the awful discord?), that kinda worries me. Added to that is that they do not ship to russia. And all that combined with my aversion the way cell operators behave made me not want to bother much. May 14 20:37:52 henk: I have an ac100 netbook that I can carry arround, and it has a big enough screen, comfortable keyboard etc, so why would I need a relatively small "phone" in addition to that? Just for the calls? May 14 20:38:40 henk: the company behind librem5 seems to be quirky if you remember their laptop story etc, so I do not have any faith in them. May 14 20:40:52 henk: another reason I'm not feeling like getting a "cell phone" is the history of Openmoko. There were many great people and plenty of momentum in the community. But my own impression is that all went up in smoke, probably the world just doesn't really need a proper free smartphone? When no free software hackers are really interested no usable product can be produced, so probably it's just May 14 20:40:58 really not needed for anything? May 14 20:49:39 I’m not saying you do need one, I’m just curious about your mindset (: I only know very few people who do not have a smartphone almost constantly with them. One person I know is still using a nokia 6310 or something like that. One other has some old phone but only takes it with him on hikes IIRC. 99% of people I know have their (android|iOS) phone always with them … May 14 20:50:34 I know what you mean about the community and the world … maybe things would have gone differently after snowden, who knows May 14 20:50:39 henk: I understand, and I'm trying to explain, no problem :) May 14 20:51:24 I just found my GTA02 and got curious what I might be able to do with it … May 14 20:51:57 Now I’m considering installing debian on it just to see how that turns out May 14 20:52:31 I can't tell you about the upstream kernel status unfortunately. May 14 20:52:59 debian (and other general purpose distros like gentoo, slackware, etc) are probably the only sensible thing to install, right? all the phone distros seem unmaintained, i.e. SHR, hackable:1, etc. May 14 20:53:27 PaulFertser: hm, not sure I understand what that means. what kernel are you running on it? May 14 20:54:58 henk: I'm afraid that's some ancient kernel, probably 2.6.28 or something. I remember implementing one final fix to it (after debugging with a JTAG adapter) to fix resume from suspend2ram, and I stopped updating since then. May 14 20:57:22 hrhr, ok, I see May 14 20:57:52 oh, I just remember that if I even really try to use it as a phone, I’ll have to do that microphone fix with soldering … May 14 20:58:22 I'm sad to see FSO API and implementation not getting any traction, and it's not even mentioned anywhere in the articles talking about the free smartphones history. May 14 20:58:41 henk: that microphone fix is near trivial though May 14 20:59:41 (well, you need to desolder one 0402 but you can then put an 0603 in place of it) May 14 21:02:16 (and it's not like soldering one 0402 with a non-huge soldering iron is too complicated; I've recently hand-assembled a keyboard with more than 10 of them) May 14 21:05:11 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02_bass_fix it’s that one IIRC May 14 21:05:39 PaulFertser: keyboard: your own build or something public or even popular? May 14 21:06:01 henk: no, the bass fix is a different thing. I was probably the first to perform it :) May 14 21:07:13 henk: I took gerbers and BOM from https://github.com/nicolai86/ganymede/tree/master/rev3 and had to design some sort of tray for the casing (he didn't share the case files) May 14 21:07:26 For whatever reason a bunch of 0402 capacitors were used May 14 21:09:56 fix: oh ok … I should probably just not start anything with that device. I have too many other things to play around with and I’m just using it to distract me from those :D May 14 21:11:11 What a nice wiki we had! May 14 21:11:14 PaulFertser: keyboard looks cool but not enough keys for me (: I’m currently quite happy with my 72 keys and don’t see how I could reduce that any further and still be able to do all the things I want to be able to do with a keyboard … May 14 21:12:54 oh yes, that was (and still is, considering that the most recent change is almost 3 years old) really nice May 14 21:13:50 henk: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM_buzz May 14 21:15:43 henk: I even use mouse emulation feature of QMK with it. It feels like 40 % is almost always enough for what I usually need (Xmonad + Emacs + bash) May 14 21:20:48 I miss Openmoko days so much :( May 14 22:13:31 > I'm sad to see FSO API and implementation not getting any traction May 14 22:13:56 I used to think the same, but these days I don't think it's actually necessary May 14 22:15:06 FSO did well back in the day, but now things that FSO was doing are actually getting integrated and welcomed in regular desktop environments May 14 22:17:50 with ModemManager doing calls; GNOME/Plasma/etc. alrady doing what fsodeviced used to; things like geoclue/iio-sensor-proxy being regular parts of desktop stack... something like FSO isn't that much needed anymore May 14 22:20:47 No way I would like to run GNOME or Plasma on a smartphone just to cover automatic power control for hardware modules, no, absolutely not :) May 14 22:21:34 Regarding ModemManager, hm, does it mean I can easily port my Emacs UI to using its API for voice calls and everything? May 14 22:21:48 ha :) although that particular thing is more like a kernel's job :D May 14 22:21:57 you should be able, yes May 14 22:23:38 Librem 5's stack (which is also used by most of PinePhone distros) is based on ModemManager May 14 22:24:21 (btw - funnily enough, earlier today I've started trying to build a SHR image based on a build tree I found on some old hard drive :D) May 14 22:26:22 found some repos that weren't archived yet in the process, so I uploaded what I had to https://github.com/freesmartphone/ May 14 22:30:15 I still have a feeling FSO was the right level of abstraction at the right place. May 14 22:33:33 It would be interesting to know what you say after you try porting the nice SHR phone apps to librem's stack dos1 ;) May 14 22:37:46 I think the biggest issue in getting them to run would actually be EFL. you'd have to either get the whole EFL stack from ~2014, or catch up with everything EFL has managed to change since then May 14 22:39:19 Oh indeed May 14 22:39:23 Have forgotten about that. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat May 15 02:59:58 2021