**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 20 02:59:57 2009 May 20 07:47:26 Hi, I'm looking for a resource which describes how I can install ubuntu 9.04 to the SD-card for the Sheevaplug May 20 07:51:30 digger3: you first need to upgrade U-Boot. check the forum May 20 07:51:50 but first thing, I recommend you install it to a USB device May 20 07:52:11 you can probably follow most of my Debian-installing instructions May 20 07:52:40 if you are not experienced I recommend that you install the base system to qemu and then replace the kernel with a kirkwood one May 20 07:57:34 Md: but I need to install the debian a debian tarball of the root filesystem, I'm unsure how that step relates to ubuntu May 20 08:00:06 if you want to install ubuntu then you install ubuntu, not debian May 20 08:24:23 Md: okay, thanks May 20 08:24:39 Md: Now that I think about it, it doesn't really make sense to prefer debian over ubuntu May 20 08:24:47 uhm, the other way around :) May 20 08:25:30 probably debian is much better tested on ARM too :-) May 20 08:42:51 digger3: if you're happy to go with debian, you can follow these instructions: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html May 20 08:43:20 tbm: yes I found those, very good quality instructions May 20 08:43:50 tbm: I'm still wondering: does it make sense to have some of the OS on the internal flash? Is it faster than through the SDIO? May 20 08:44:56 no, it's slower May 20 08:45:11 personally, I haven't looked at flash installations yet May 20 08:45:29 I'm also confused about the filesystems. jffs2 seems to be very slow during boot, should I use an alternative FS specifically designed for flash-storage? Does it truely offer advantages? May 20 08:46:00 I think ubifs is the way to go May 20 08:47:10 tbm: did you talk with the relevant maintainers about packaging the stuff needed? May 20 08:47:15 IIRC the internal NAND is just slower than USB or SD, no matter what fs is being used May 20 08:47:28 digger3: jff2 is slow on the fisrt boot as it marks badblocks, IIRC May 20 08:48:05 Md: I think the ubifs tools are in unstable already. what else do you mean? May 20 08:48:22 zumbi: IIRC jffs2 must walk the whole device or something like this at every mount May 20 08:48:34 the internal flash can be useful for some applications that does not involve putting an already existing distribution May 20 08:48:48 you can put a big initrd there May 20 08:49:12 yeah, there is more than enough of space :) May 20 08:49:14 tbm: nevermind then, I was not up to date May 20 08:49:14 containing the whole self-made distribution May 20 08:49:34 aurel32: yes, that can be fast May 20 08:50:54 and kexec into the kernel :) May 20 08:55:29 aurel32: btw, a big initrd might not be easy to be created May 20 08:58:23 tbm: ubifs does seem to provide interesting advantages, thanks for pointing me to it May 20 09:00:17 digger3: there is an article about it in the wiki May 20 09:01:40 zumbi: ah I see, it's not in any category, I'll add it to the howtos May 20 09:05:49 the boottime numbers in the ubi article are not directly comparable, since ubiattach does the mtd scan instead of mount (like in the jffs2 case) May 20 09:09:37 Md: ubi tools and mkfs.ubifs is in mtd-utils package, maintained by me May 20 09:10:04 the performance figures are also misleading in the article because of write caching. It should have been tested with mount -o sync for ubifs IMHO May 20 09:10:46 or it should at least be mentioned May 20 09:14:40 so will apt run with an /var on ubifs? I seem to remember it does not like the jffs2 thing May 20 10:18:42 eno, salva: i just pushed some more inferno kirkwood code. it does very basic ethernet now May 20 10:18:59 meaning i've done dhcp, giving shells on the telnet port, and mounted remote 9p/styx May 20 10:19:29 the ethernet code is slow and doesn't do error handling though, so lots of improvements to be made May 20 10:20:09 wow, lunch time already ☺ May 20 10:21:02 * lennert fears rabeeh May 20 10:21:55 lennert is the man May 20 10:22:16 lennert: is your PC back to the living world? May 20 10:24:30 yep May 20 10:26:55 lennert: is W8TVI behaving himself? May 20 10:27:00 seems to now May 20 10:27:20 * rabeeh angrily watches W8TVI May 20 10:27:36 hehe May 20 10:28:12 lennert: any suggestions which virtual machine software to use for Windows under Linux? May 20 10:28:20 KVM?qemu? May 20 10:28:22 i use kvm and i'm very happy with it May 20 10:28:33 i have a load of linux and windows vms on my server May 20 10:28:40 Linux will be native 64bit; but windows will be 32bit May 20 10:28:46 that's fine May 20 10:29:01 i run most flash stuff in an XP vm now May 20 10:29:04 since it's so easy to start May 20 10:29:05 will linux 32bit distro handle 8GB DDR? Will it use PAE by default? May 20 10:29:18 and the adobe flash player for linux sucks so hard May 20 10:29:29 it should (e.g. fedora does) May 20 10:29:42 my desktop has 8g, but runs 64b OS May 20 10:30:36 thanks May 20 10:31:41 ChanServ handsomely rewards lennert knighthood on #openplug May 20 10:31:50 hehe May 20 10:31:58 that should come in handy May 20 10:32:18 ban war? May 20 10:33:42 well, let's say, some reeducation May 20 10:34:44 wooo. lennert teaches education classes May 20 10:35:17 Dr. lennert May 20 10:35:26 PH.D in education :) May 20 10:37:02 lennert: do i need to enable anything in BIOS for kvm? May 20 10:37:18 virtualization extension probably? May 20 10:37:27 depends on bios, and the bioses default settings :) May 20 10:37:29 i have quad opteron May 20 10:37:36 yes, virtualisation needs to be on, or it'll say that it's disabled in the bios May 20 10:38:25 notice that even qemu now supports kvm, and eventually they will merge (or kvm will remain as the bleeding edge version) May 20 10:39:25 the kvm support in mainline qemu is still a bit limited May 20 10:39:31 e.g. no smp support and such (last time i looked) May 20 10:41:04 is there any processor afinity when it comes to qemu/kvm? May 20 10:41:22 for example if i have 4 processors; i want to have one dedicated for a kvm instance? May 20 10:41:46 you can bind the host kvm thread to a cpu May 20 10:42:03 virtual ("guest") cpus are just threads on the host machine May 20 10:44:46 ok. one last question - i'm installing now on LVM on a single 0.5TB drive May 20 10:45:02 how easy is it afterwards to migrate the volume to RAID-1? (ofcourse using Linux raid) May 20 10:45:19 if you want to do that i would already create a raid superblock on it May 20 10:45:25 i.e. create a 1-disk raid1 volume with it May 20 10:45:33 degraded mode? May 20 10:45:50 well, sort of May 20 10:46:48 it should even let you create a non-degraded one May 20 11:08:31 http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/25707/ May 20 12:54:54 Hey guys! May 20 12:55:02 wondering if anyone uses centos on their plug May 20 13:02:17 Super_Roach: centos for arm doesn't exist, does it? May 20 13:05:50 good point! :) May 20 13:06:21 no, seems it does May 20 13:06:21 i started on it a while ago May 20 13:07:04 but never got far May 20 13:07:08 maybe someone else picked it up? May 20 15:18:23 mjl-: ip/dhcp & ip/ping working May 20 15:23:07 man you write faster than i can read May 20 17:43:09 hi tonyplee May 20 17:43:21 Hi Lennert. May 20 17:57:08 * mwester notes that he better behave on this channel, lest he be "re-educated" ;) May 20 18:54:32 are jffs2 error such as these something to worry about?: http://pastebin.com/m15450633 May 20 21:35:28 twitter your favourite artists http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=phtgMLGe8aahYaH0pRs7VHg May 21 00:54:02 hello everyone, I'm having some trouble setting up the tftp connection from a ubuntu 9.04 computer May 21 00:54:20 what I've done I've attached at http://pastebin.com/m56155c50 May 21 00:54:50 I'm ultimately trying to get the sd-card u-boot onto the sheevaplug May 21 01:16:29 fixed, I had tftp installed and should have had tftp-hpa (must be legacy) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 21 02:59:57 2009