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Jun 22 13:18:16 <dieter_> Hi, is anyone from the u-boot developers online?
Jun 22 13:18:34 <dieter_> I've got trouble using ethernet with marvell.git u-boot on sheevaplug
Jun 22 13:18:52 <dieter_> every times when I try to use network my sheeva hangs :(
Jun 22 13:41:04 <mjl-> eno_: the code for inferno has moved
Jun 22 13:41:08 <mjl-> it's now at http://code.google.com/p/inferno-kirkwood/
Jun 22 13:41:22 <mjl-> and development is going to be ramped up a bit
Jun 22 13:41:39 <mjl-> better sdio is next
Jun 22 13:53:46 <SuperRoach> nice..
Jun 22 13:54:07 <SuperRoach> is there a place for prebuilt images to try out by the way?
Jun 22 13:54:41 <SuperRoach> I've bricked mine with a wrong bootarg and old version on the old website, wouldn't mind just starting from scratch on it
Jun 22 13:55:15 * ShadowJK powers up his plug for the first time
Jun 22 13:55:25 <SuperRoach> neat jk :)
Jun 22 14:07:37 * Q_Continuum has 3-5 weeks to wait on his, just ordered it friday
Jun 22 14:07:48 <SuperRoach> you'll love it Q_Continuum
Jun 22 14:07:52 <Q_Continuum> Just ordered one for now :-D
Jun 22 14:07:59 <SuperRoach> wish i was more motivated to use mine :o
Jun 22 14:15:34 <eno> mjl-: do you consider to increase the scope a little bit
Jun 22 14:15:47 <eno> to include orion5x NAS devices as well
Jun 22 14:16:12 <eno> that would support a lot more devices
Jun 22 14:17:24 <eno> for example, see http://www.cyrius.com/debian/
Jun 22 14:17:36 <eno> they share a lot
Jun 22 14:26:17 <mjl-> eno: good point, will have a look
Jun 22 14:26:29 <mjl-> if there any devices i can easily get my hands on, they'll be a good target
Jun 22 14:27:44 <eno> there're actually a lot more orion5x devices
Jun 22 14:28:27 <eno> hp mv2120 or seagate/maxtor mssii already have serial headers
Jun 22 14:29:00 <eno> dlink dns323 and buffalo linkstation live/pro are more available
Jun 22 14:32:35 <mjl-> yeah, that's good, especially that they have sata ports.
Jun 22 14:32:47 <mjl-> isn't orion a generation earlier than the kirkwood?
Jun 22 14:33:03 <mjl-> or is it just different in features, but same generation?
Jun 22 14:33:30 <mjl-> it would be cool if new versions of those devices would have kirkwoods and inferno could run them
Jun 22 14:34:08 <mjl-> ah, answers in #inferno :)
Jun 22 14:58:16 <dieter_> FYI: marvell git u-boot seems to be not working with 100MBit/s network connection :(
Jun 22 15:11:01 <lennert> dieter_: please email prafulla
Jun 22 15:16:47 <dieter_> lennert: I've answered a post from prafulla on openplug forum.
Jun 22 15:16:57 <dieter_> Should I write a email, too?
Jun 22 15:17:28 <lennert> just make sure he knows one way of another
Jun 22 15:17:32 <lennert> or*
Jun 22 15:18:02 <dieter_> Yes, I'm surely will help to track down this issue :)
Jun 22 15:19:02 <tinker-f595> dieter_: it is helpful to others if you also post it to http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/
Jun 22 15:19:41 <dieter_> finter-f595: I have allready posted it. There was an open thread regarding this issue.
Jun 22 15:19:53 <tinker-f595> oh good
Jun 22 15:20:08 <dieter_> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=393.0
Jun 22 15:21:14 <dieter_> So hopefully some network experts can solve this :)
Jun 22 15:22:19 <tinker-f595> interesting problem
Jun 22 15:24:56 <dieter_> Yes, but not so uncommon. I've got a similar problem a few years ago with 10/100Mbit :)
Jun 22 15:25:25 <dieter_> But the question is which of this hundred registers the root of the evil is...
Jun 22 15:25:26 <tinker-f595> I could never seem to get ttfp working with my plug but did find that openocd worked
Jun 22 15:25:32 <tinker-f595> true
Jun 22 15:26:02 <dieter_> what did you get not working?
Jun 22 15:26:47 <tinker-f595> no did not have time to get it working so just used the openocd technique
Jun 22 15:27:21 <tinker-f595> the tftp connection did not work well enough for me to change the firmware.
Jun 22 15:27:32 <tinker-f595> would get errors
Jun 22 15:27:47 <tinker-f595> openocd worked ok
Jun 22 15:27:48 <dieter_> I couldn't see some problems until now! What errors?
Jun 22 15:28:26 <tinker-f595> oh I would have to go to my other system and look it up, but I am going to jump in the shower and head off to work in a couple of minutes
Jun 22 15:28:46 <dieter_> than hurry up :)
Jun 22 15:28:52 <tinker-f595> ha
Jun 22 15:29:19 <tinker-f595> your work day is coming to an end and mine is just starting
Jun 22 15:29:19 <dieter_> maybe we can talk tomorrow about u-boot on sheeva? I'm looking for others who work on it!
Jun 22 15:29:44 <dieter_> You are at home at the moment?
Jun 22 15:30:10 <tinker-f595> yes at home
Jun 22 15:30:14 <tinker-f595> I like OpenFirmware better than U-boot
Jun 22 15:30:29 <dieter_> never tried it - maybe I should :)
Jun 22 15:30:35 <tinker-f595> but then I have played with OFW more than U-boot
Jun 22 15:31:00 <tinker-f595> it is forth
Jun 22 15:32:00 <dieter_> sounds interesting
Jun 22 15:32:20 <tinker-f595> I know the person that updated the ARM port.  He wanted to see if I could get it running on the SheevaPlug....but he is 3 time zones away from me
Jun 22 15:32:48 <dieter_> sounds not so good :(
Jun 22 15:33:09 <tinker-f595> OpenFirmware was first implemented at Sun a couple of decades ago
Jun 22 15:33:51 <tinker-f595> dieter_: there are many projects were developers are n different locations
Jun 22 15:34:25 <dieter_> Yes I know - I've got the same situation. Mostly it isn't a problem but sometimes it is.
Jun 22 15:35:06 <tinker-f595> The biggest problem is locating the hardware offsets that need to be changed for initial boot.  I have been meaning to learn forth for a few decades.
Jun 22 15:35:30 <tinker-f595> It is an interesting language/environment
Jun 22 15:35:54 <dieter_> openfirmware sounds as it is open?
Jun 22 15:36:03 <dieter_> open source?
Jun 22 15:36:04 <tinker-f595> yes
Jun 22 15:36:16 <ShadowJK> hm. I think I need a new kernel to do anything fun
Jun 22 15:36:26 <dieter_> Hm, maybe this is somethings for raini evenings :)
Jun 22 15:38:41 <tinker-f595> except Mitch Bradley, (the lead and originator), at the moment will only allow check ins passed through him as he does not want the source tree messed up by novices to forth.  So he wants to review stuff and it takes him time to do that as he is busy working on the OLPC XO branch of OpenFirmware
Jun 22 15:39:58 <tinker-f595> I see n6pfk is here.  He worked on the recent ARM port
Jun 22 15:40:27 <dieter_> Ah. But I afraid there is no danger for him to get some source from me. I've never seen forth code in the past :)
Jun 22 15:40:57 <tinker-f595> yes but if you are interested in a different firmware...
Jun 22 15:41:02 <tinker-f595> \you may ask
Jun 22 15:41:13 <tinker-f595> anyway need to get to work
Jun 22 15:41:14 <tinker-f595> ciao
Jun 22 15:41:20 <n6pfk> It runs on the beagleboard and the gumstix overeo.
Jun 22 15:41:45 <n6pfk> It's in the OFW svn.
Jun 22 15:42:09 <dieter_> Hm, I will have a look and maybe will give it a try.
Jun 22 15:42:17 <dieter_> Is it available for TI DaVinci, too?
Jun 22 15:42:28 <dieter_> Or only for OMAPs?
Jun 22 15:42:50 <dieter_> tinker-f595: ciao
Jun 22 15:43:39 <n6pfk> I use uboots loadb command to install it and the go command to run it.  It needs board specific drivers to remove uboot.  Currently the uart works.
Jun 22 15:44:07 <n6pfk> Anybody want to help with forth drivers?
Jun 22 15:44:40 <dieter_> As said - sorry but I've never seen forth source before so I'm afraid I wont be a great helper :)
Jun 22 18:08:12 <__dieter__> lennert: for your information: Prafulla has allready fixed this issue. There were a patch on u-boot list which I didn't found :)
Jun 22 18:08:34 <__dieter__> The ethernet link speed issue - sorry I forgot to mention...
Jun 22 19:09:30 <lennert> __dieter__: ok, cool
Jun 22 20:16:43 <__dieter__> lennert: Do you have seen sometimes the sheeva plug not responding on ttyUSB1???
Jun 22 20:17:00 <lennert> __dieter__: nop
Jun 22 20:17:21 <__dieter__> Hm, I have disconnected my network cable from running sheeva and boom
Jun 22 20:17:44 <__dieter__> ttyUSB1 (console) disappeared
Jun 22 20:18:10 <__dieter__> reset sheeva and restard minicom but nothing happend on console.
Jun 22 20:18:21 <__dieter__> :(
Jun 22 20:18:43 <__dieter__> I have decided than to left my office - enough for today!
Jun 22 20:18:45 <lennert> well, if you power cycle the plug, the usb device will disappear and reappear
Jun 22 20:18:52 <lennert> and that won't work well if minicom keeps the tty open
Jun 22 20:19:05 <__dieter__> Yes, but the device disappeard by disconnecting the network cable!
Jun 22 20:19:33 <__dieter__> I have seen some urb request fails in dmesg on my linux host.
Jun 22 20:19:48 <lennert> do you boot from nfs?
Jun 22 20:19:52 <__dieter__> Hopefully it runs tomorrow after a whole system restart.
Jun 22 20:20:00 <__dieter__> nope - I only run new u-boot.
Jun 22 20:21:00 <lennert> it crashes in uboot if you unplug the network?
Jun 22 20:21:05 <lennert> i would report that to prafulla
Jun 22 20:21:22 <__dieter__> Yes it does - but I don't know what crashes.
Jun 22 20:21:42 <__dieter__> As said I got some strange error messages from usb stack on my host, too.
Jun 22 20:22:16 <lennert> ok
Jun 22 20:22:20 <__dieter__> And additionaly I use the old network driver code inside u-boot. Prafulla sent me a fixed version today.
Jun 22 20:22:24 <lennert> ah
Jun 22 20:22:53 <__dieter__> The old version has known issues with auto negotiate - so maybe....
Jun 22 20:23:08 <__dieter__> I will try to reproduce tomorrow with updated u-boot.
Jun 22 20:23:35 <__dieter__> I only want to ask if somebode knows such behaviour because of maybe ESD problems or so
Jun 22 20:24:11 <lennert> __dieter__: shouldn't bee
Jun 22 20:24:29 <__dieter__> No it shouldn't - but who knows :)
Jun 22 20:25:23 <__dieter__> There are expencive ready build industrial pc's out there which have ESD problems :)
Jun 22 20:29:29 <__dieter__> lenner: If I'm allowed to ask :) What is your job at marvell? I think you are kernel developer?
Jun 22 20:29:45 <lennert> __dieter__: yep, pure software guyt
Jun 22 20:29:59 <__dieter__> what part of the kernel are you working on?
Jun 22 20:30:05 <lennert> __dieter__: although you don't survive in a hardcore hardware company if you don't learn some hardware skills
Jun 22 20:30:22 <lennert> mostly drivers now
Jun 22 20:30:53 <lennert> anyway, have to get into the car and run home, will be back home in an hour :)
Jun 22 20:31:11 <__dieter__> Hmmm, I think in a hour I'm allready sleeping :)
Jun 22 20:31:50 <__dieter__> Good drive home and nice evening! Are you allready in the office???
Jun 22 20:33:29 <__dieter__> lennert: bye and cu tomorrow!
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