**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jun 24 02:59:57 2009 Jun 24 06:44:43 rabeeh, i'm in the process of building 2.6.30, I'm adding some requested features...it took me a while to wind down from my vacation...back in the saddle now. Jun 24 06:45:08 should be ready tomorrow Jun 24 06:45:15 thanks :) Jun 24 06:45:44 i got so many questions if the biker is find; and why he isn't building the kernels anymore :) Jun 24 06:45:54 s/find/fine Jun 24 06:46:14 hehe, it really took me a while to get ramped back up Jun 24 06:46:42 yeah. same here Jun 24 06:46:53 i was out of the office for 2.5 weeks; and now trying to catch up Jun 24 06:47:04 it's 12:30 here, what's your time? Jun 24 06:47:09 12:45 Jun 24 06:47:13 9:47 AM Jun 24 06:47:15 Israel Jun 24 06:47:30 where are you located at? Jun 24 06:47:38 Montana Jun 24 06:48:55 I'm up pretty late most of the time Jun 24 06:50:32 hi rabeeh, haven't seen you here for quite a while Jun 24 07:02:55 eFfeM: hey. Jun 24 07:03:05 i'v been to the US for two weeks. Jun 24 07:03:15 and then had few days off Jun 24 07:03:34 the company changed IP address so my IRC client went disconnected Jun 24 07:14:39 eFfeM: I'm rolling back on channel history; any major updates that I missed? Jun 24 07:25:19 rabeeh: not that I am aware of but I'm not in the channel 24/7 Jun 24 07:25:42 building oe for sheeva at the moment Jun 24 07:25:57 and I am seeing Arjo in 1.5 hr or so Jun 24 07:35:21 rabeeh: welcome back Jun 24 07:35:25 rabeeh: http://netzflocken.de/2009/6/6/prizes <- hope you like the picture :-) Jun 24 07:44:25 eFfeM: please send my regards to Arjo and Rolf :) Jun 24 07:44:51 dev: CONGRATS :) You got the prize Jun 24 07:46:23 rabeeh: will do Jun 24 07:47:13 dev: thanks for the kinds words on the blog Jun 24 07:47:44 rabeeh: people have been very interested in the sheeva, even more than in the denon ;-) Jun 24 07:49:43 dev: we have signed up another company to distribute the plugs - Ionix Jun 24 07:50:00 http://www.ionics-ems.com/plugcomputer.html Jun 24 07:50:27 same spec as the devkit, without SDIO, but much more smaller and sexier :) Jun 24 07:51:31 what's the thing next to the plug in second pic? Jun 24 07:51:47 rabeeh: i see that 32kb i/d cache claim show up everywhere Jun 24 07:51:51 rabeeh: including on that page Jun 24 07:52:13 right Jun 24 07:52:20 lennert: 16kb i/d cache Jun 24 07:52:24 rabeeh: yeah Jun 24 07:52:29 good catch Jun 24 07:56:45 roxfan2: that sculpture is the 1st prize Jun 24 07:58:13 no, on ionics site Jun 24 07:59:06 ha, ok Jun 24 07:59:23 rabeeh: anything new with wireless build in? Jun 24 07:59:54 roxfan2: there is one picture of glowing white and dark chocolate black :) Jun 24 08:00:00 both are plugs Jun 24 08:00:39 yes, on the first pic Jun 24 08:00:44 dev: no wireless. external device. Jun 24 08:00:50 what's on the second? Jun 24 08:02:47 they have same spec both of them. different color Jun 24 08:02:56 black is in style today Jun 24 08:03:05 once you go black... Jun 24 08:22:34 rebeeh: Hi, the website from ionics shows some "extension" header. Jun 24 08:22:55 Do you now if this header connects to the same pin header than the sheevaplug does? Jun 24 08:23:39 dieter_: i haven't seen the extension header. but unlike the GTI devkit that has everything inside, it has an extension board for the debug / initial bringup stuff (uart, jtag) Jun 24 08:25:16 the image looks like there was also an SD Slot? Jun 24 08:25:37 That would be really nice but the docu doesn't say much about the extension header Jun 24 08:30:52 It looks like the kirkwood would become a really hot iron for small pc replacement :) Jun 24 08:31:25 i got mimo monitor 740 two days ago Jun 24 08:31:50 anyone, any idea if there is skype protocol supported in Linux (open source project) Jun 24 08:32:30 rabeeh: there's been a lot of reverse engineering of it, but no alternative implementation that i know of so far Jun 24 08:36:03 rabeeh: Do you need a open protocol stack or "only" a skype on arm linux? Jun 24 08:36:11 Maybe this is interesting for you: Jun 24 08:36:19 http://share.skype.com/sites/skypegear/2007/12/nokia_n810_internet_tablet_wit.html Jun 24 08:42:09 rabeeh: sorry - I'm afraid the arm port is only available for windows mobile and not for linux :( Jun 24 09:14:52 rabeeh: did you manage to find a device that would allow hostap on sheeva? Jun 24 10:24:02 dieter_: for nokia n810 - this is a binary drop for nokia tables; i'm not sure if legally i'm allowed to use it. Jun 24 10:24:51 eFfeM: i didn't wrestle with any wifi device, yet. but in the forums there were some success stories that mention usb dongles working with hostap Jun 24 10:32:18 rabeeh: thanks, will look into it (unless someone else here can shed some light on this) Jun 24 11:26:17 rabeeh: Hm, at least you can download it for free :) http://www.skype.com/download/skype/nokia/downloading/ Jun 24 11:29:33 <_diego_> skype suck in portability and compatibility Jun 24 11:30:25 <_diego_> skype works hard to be not compatible with others program Jun 24 11:57:02 Could someone shed some light to GPIO(High) Registers, please? Jun 24 11:57:25 I'm working on u-boot gpio code and lower gpios than 32 work as expected but high GPIOs don't Jun 24 11:57:41 does the high register start with GPIO32 at LSB? Jun 24 12:09:53 AHHHRG, i mixed the connectors J4 / J5 sorry :) Jun 24 13:36:34 is it just me or the sheevaplug runs fairly hot ? Jun 24 13:40:21 runs fairly hot Jun 24 13:42:25 I think my usb card reader didn't like the temp. usb kept failing, even just in u-boot Jun 24 13:47:38 BusError: My CPU runs up to 58° Celsius without case and heatpipe Jun 24 13:49:47 thats toasty :> Jun 24 13:51:15 just installed the plug. made an openembedded ext3 on a SD card Jun 24 13:53:38 What kernel do you work with? Most recent git kernel does't heat the cpu als older ones - at least my messurements show that. Jun 24 13:54:02 I'm using a stock 2.6.29.5, picked from openembedded tree Jun 24 13:54:42 I don't know if this one allready contains the cpu idle patch? Jun 24 13:54:58 AFAIK this was introduced in 2.6.30 series Jun 24 13:56:21 might not be there. I haven't dug into the specific kernel patch yet. I'll do that next Jun 24 14:00:58 that stack u-boot is a bit of a mess, is the new "open" recommended ? Jun 24 14:03:18 That depends on your feature requirements. Jun 24 14:03:35 At the moment there is support for NAND and network. Jun 24 14:03:55 For booting the sheeva plug it should be ok. Jun 24 14:05:00 But there are no usb drivers and AFAIK no sdio drivers available yet (but I haven't looked at the sd card stuff yet). Jun 24 14:05:02 thats what I'm doing for now. but I don't even know where it puts the environment :> Jun 24 14:05:16 On a different location :) Jun 24 14:05:54 You have to setup new environment data and everything should work. Jun 24 14:06:28 You can test it by using openocd without reprogramming you flash and see if it fit your needs :) Jun 24 14:07:37 I haven't open the case yet. I need to, to file that silly USB miniplug that keeps falling off :> Jun 24 14:09:07 This was the first I have done with my plug - before powering it on :) Jun 24 14:12:08 I blue-tacked the connector here, before surgery :> Jun 24 14:15:32 Maybe a good idea! Jun 24 14:17:02 * BusError has a close look inside Jun 24 14:17:23 ohhh, a 20 pins jtag header, how kind of them Jun 24 14:19:00 let me guess, if I solder pins there, I can't close the plug anymore ? :> Jun 24 14:22:08 hehe, it's true too :> Jun 24 14:22:32 Maybe you can drill a hole in the case? Jun 24 14:22:44 so, it's a case of soldering wires and drill the side Jun 24 14:22:49 indeed Jun 24 14:23:13 yep - and you get access to almost any of the gpios on the to connectors J4 / J5 on the base board :) Jun 24 14:23:26 can't hurt to get some extra air in there anyway :> Jun 24 14:23:56 * BusError thinks he might actually open the schematic at this point :> Jun 24 14:33:46 hmm seems the .29.5 from OE has the/a idle patch Jun 24 14:48:46 * BusError wish they had hooked the second serial port of the ftdi to the jtag lines Jun 24 15:19:33 what problem do you have with the jtag lines? Jun 24 15:25:14 dieter_, soldering headers would prevent the plug to be closed afterward :> Jun 24 15:26:21 BusError: this depends on your used wires? If they are thin enough it should work. Jun 24 15:26:36 But I haven't tried to close it again :) Jun 24 15:27:55 dieter_, the /headers/ prevent closing. if you solder wires directly, it will work, we had reavhed that same conclusion :> Jun 24 15:28:07 reached Jun 24 16:20:18 is it just me, the .29.5, or is the sheeva quite unstable ? Jun 24 16:20:36 I was just typing along and poof, the mmc card is returning million of -110 Jun 24 16:30:22 Haven't seen this but also haven't used .29 kernels Jun 24 16:30:54 I use latest marvell.git kernel and seems to work fine. But haven't done much in Linux until now. Jun 24 16:31:29 What version is marvell.git based on? Jun 24 16:31:44 2.6.30rc? Jun 24 16:31:56 ah ok Jun 24 16:34:17 2.6.30 was tagged 2 weeks ago. See http://git.marvell.com/?p=orion.git;a=summary Jun 24 16:34:53 openembedded actualy gets it's 2.29 from there. I;m going to make a recipe to get the .30 instead Jun 24 16:37:56 newbie to plug/embedded, have I got this right:: u-boot can boot from tftp/nfs, uboot isn't in /dev/mtd* so I can't hose it from within linux on the plug? Jun 24 16:38:29 u-boot is at the start of the nand, from what I have seen... Jun 24 16:38:42 hm Jun 24 16:38:42 so yes, you can nuke it easy :> Jun 24 16:39:52 but I can then fix it with the usb cable and the ocd thing? Jun 24 16:44:35 yup. Jun 24 16:44:59 time consuming. just don't nuke u-boot :> Jun 24 16:46:04 ShadowJK: there is a entry in the wiki: http://plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Das_U-boot_plug_support Jun 24 16:54:59 * BusError builds a nice shinny .30 then Jun 24 17:06:57 ack. plug died again during the upgrade Jun 24 17:13:56 hmm could it be my card that is incompatible with sheeva ? it's been running for months on other boards Jun 24 17:14:25 anyone else had random issues with SD cards ? Jun 24 17:18:40 could it be the slot itself ? it doesn't seem to hold the cards very well Jun 24 17:31:30 * BusError tries another card Jun 24 18:43:02 BusError, depending on what patches are in the kernel you are running, yes, there may be issues with certain SD cards. Jun 24 18:44:39 I'm running -30 from the their official git Jun 24 18:45:22 I haven't kept up, so I have no idea what the status is of the patchset in that kernel. Jun 24 18:54:51 <__dieter__> lennert: Prafulla told me to have a look into the kernel for gpio.h / gpio.c file (GPIO driver) but I couldn't find one in HEAD. Jun 24 18:55:10 <__dieter__> Is there allready a GPIO driver for kirkwood available? Jun 24 18:55:30 __dieter__: arch/arm/plat-orion Jun 24 18:55:38 <__dieter__> Thanks! Jun 24 18:56:41 <__dieter__> lennert: Which code should go to arch/arm/plat* and which one should go to arm/arm/mach* ? Jun 24 18:57:22 __dieter__: plat-orion is for stuff shared between orion5x/kw/dd Jun 24 18:57:44 <__dieter__> Hm, that sounds good :) Jun 24 18:57:57 <__dieter__> Thanks for helping :) Jun 24 19:13:30 __dieter__: sure Jun 24 19:32:12 hi is it a known issue that ls on the flash filesystem sometimes seem to take ages ? Jun 24 19:35:55 I made a new openembedded recioe to oulk .30 from the git instead of the .29. it seems to be a lot more stable do far Jun 24 19:36:16 eh, i'll update that this weekend in git Jun 24 19:36:31 not touched it a lot since committing the sheeva stuff Jun 24 19:36:37 :) Jun 24 19:36:47 oh you're the oe commiter ? Jun 24 19:36:57 yep guilty as charged Jun 24 19:37:28 I maintain an OE tree for the mini2440. just started with the sheeva Jun 24 19:38:11 cool - its good people are using it Jun 24 19:38:13 :) Jun 24 19:38:38 the joys of -dev. half the stuff I try to make fails :> Jun 24 19:41:23 heh. Jun 24 19:41:48 hmm, 75% of the worlds methane comes from cow burps. i wonder if anyone has tried to light them. Jun 24 19:42:09 right. food time! Jun 24 19:44:48 timtimred: how do you think BBQ was invented :-) Jun 24 20:33:02 * __dieter__ is powering down for today - bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jun 25 02:59:57 2009