**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jul 26 02:59:56 2009 Jul 26 15:38:05 Hey, first time here. Jul 26 17:13:26 I'm getting nothing after running "fatload usb 0:1 0x8000000 sheevaplug.initramfs" it just hangs there Jul 26 18:20:11 elfMobile: not enough information to diagnose.... Jul 26 18:20:38 look at the forum for more information Jul 26 19:37:53 tinker-f595, http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=517.0 Jul 26 19:57:38 elfMobile, fwiw, I'm using a Buffalo highspeed 1gig USB stick, RUF2-S Jul 26 19:57:45 works with stock u-boot Jul 26 20:11:21 ShadowJK, what u-boot version are you on? Jul 26 20:11:37 let me check.. Jul 26 20:12:21 also, isn't USB storage pretty standard? These USB sticks that dont work on the sheeva plug work find on my TV, PS3 Jul 26 20:12:41 U-Boot 1.1.4 (Mar 19 2009 - 16:06:59) Marvell version: 3.4.16 Jul 26 20:13:08 ShadowJK, yeah, thats what I have too Jul 26 20:13:51 I have been trying to use a memory stick and get things working before using my 1TB HDD, maybe I'll try using my HDD now that I have tried 2 different USB sticks that didn't work Jul 26 20:14:08 not too impressed with not being able to boot off of 2 different USB sticks Jul 26 20:15:09 indeed Jul 26 20:53:14 Hey Jul 26 21:47:27 elfMobile: USB sticks vary much in quality Jul 26 21:47:48 from brand to brand Jul 26 21:58:46 I have my sheevaplug booting from a hard drive that I placed in a USB enclosure Jul 26 21:58:57 installed postgressql on it today Jul 26 22:14:33 * ShadowJK plans to boot from usb flash drive and have a usb haddrive for file serving over network Jul 26 22:14:56 plug on 24/7, hd can spin down when no users on LAN Jul 27 00:47:10 tinker-f595, what made you go with postgre over mysql? What about sqlite? Jul 27 00:48:10 mySQL is a toy Jul 27 00:49:02 postgresql is a far superior Jul 27 00:49:27 better in low memory conditions and also better at handling power failures Jul 27 00:49:49 tinker-f595, but what about memory footprint. Oracle is superior but you wouldn't run it on a 1.2GHz ARM Jul 27 00:49:50 postres is ACID compliant Jul 27 00:50:13 tinker-f595, what environment you on?.... Ubuntu? Gentoo? Jul 27 00:50:23 mysql has a worse memory footprint than postgres Jul 27 00:50:57 currently ubuntu Jul 27 00:51:13 it is the kernel that really matters Jul 27 00:52:11 the reason you would not run Oracle on 1.2 Ghz ARM is because there is not a port for it on ARM Jul 27 00:52:40 I work on mutlitple relational DB systems for a living Jul 27 00:53:10 Oracle is superior to what? Jul 27 00:53:25 Right... I guess I just wanted to know why you went with postgres on the sheeva. Just saying "its superior" isn't a good reason Jul 27 00:53:45 well it is if you know DB systems Jul 27 00:53:49 I'm not saying it is superior, some would argue that it is.... I'm just saying each DB had its place. Jul 27 00:54:18 Right... but being superior doesn't mean I can run it on my cell phone like sqlite Jul 27 00:54:22 as far as I am concerned mySQL is just hype... Jul 27 00:54:37 why not? Jul 27 00:54:48 you are making a lot of assumptions Jul 27 00:55:15 depends on what processor your self phone has and how much ram and how much stoarage Jul 27 00:55:19 maybe I am... I would assume that sqlite doesn't have as large of a footprint as Postgres Jul 27 00:55:27 the OpenRD Client is not a cell phone Jul 27 00:55:38 religion is good :-) Why not add DBs to the list along with OS's, CPU's, etc. :-D Jul 27 00:55:40 foolish make assumtions Jul 27 00:56:13 sqllite would collapse in no time with complex transactions Jul 27 00:56:16 What about portable mp3 players? no need to client / server Jul 27 00:56:34 ... or complex transactions... or transactions at all for that matter Jul 27 00:56:37 who is talking about mp3 players Jul 27 00:57:01 mp3 is terrible format as far sound fidelity goes Jul 27 00:57:21 I'm trying to say each DB has its place.... maybe not MySQL so much any more, but still Jul 27 00:57:34 mwester_: not religion, facts Jul 27 00:57:41 portable FLAC players then Jul 27 00:58:07 the only one being religous is elfMobile who is ranting on about MYSQL Jul 27 00:58:31 ha Jul 27 00:59:00 oracle will probably kill mySQL anyways Jul 27 00:59:24 I was just wondering what considerations went into your choice of Postges. I plan on running a DB on here once I can find a USB device that it can boot from Jul 27 00:59:25 and mySQL was not a real system...used others db engines Jul 27 01:00:02 well fact it is ACID compliant, has a better memory footprint than mySQL and is more versatile Jul 27 01:00:23 well fact postgre is ACID compliant, has a better memory footprint than mySQL and is more versatile Jul 27 01:00:55 by the way have you tried booting sheeavaplug from a hard drive? Jul 27 01:01:07 I'm just about to get to that.... decising how to partition it Jul 27 01:01:12 works nicely Jul 27 01:02:25 Its a 1TB drive. Will probably do 10Gb for Linux filesystem. A small partition for some windows ext2 / ext3 filesystem drivers, then the rest for storage Jul 27 01:03:20 I ma using an old 40 gb hitachi laptop drive I had laying around Jul 27 01:03:23 # fdisk -l Jul 27 01:03:23 Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes Jul 27 01:03:23 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 38154 cylinders Jul 27 01:03:24 Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 bytes Jul 27 01:03:24 Disk identifier: 0x00000000 Jul 27 01:03:25 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Jul 27 01:03:44 windows??? Jul 27 01:04:50 hmm that did not paste correctly let me try again Jul 27 01:04:52 # fdisk -l Jul 27 01:04:52 Disk /dev/sda: 40.0 GB, 40007761920 bytes Jul 27 01:04:52 64 heads, 32 sectors/track, 38154 cylinders Jul 27 01:04:52 Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 = 1048576 bytes Jul 27 01:04:53 Disk identifier: 0x00000000 Jul 27 01:04:53 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Jul 27 01:05:06 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Jul 27 01:05:10 tinker-f595, new to IRC? Use a pastebin Jul 27 01:05:21 oh... its probably the /dev stuff Jul 27 01:05:24 no not new Jul 27 01:05:32 it usually works Jul 27 01:05:34 prepend each line with another character Jul 27 01:05:58 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Jul 27 01:05:58 /dev/sda1 * 1 32 32752 83 Linux Jul 27 01:05:59 /dev/sda2 33 38154 39036928 5 Extended Jul 27 01:05:59 /dev/sda5 33 37432 38297584 83 Linux Jul 27 01:05:59 /dev/sda6 37433 38154 739312 82 Linux swap / Solaris Jul 27 01:06:06 just tired Jul 27 01:06:26 sda1 is ext2 and has uimage Jul 27 01:06:32 what are we talking about in MBs or GBs? Jul 27 01:06:40 sda5 is the rootfs Jul 27 01:06:57 MB Jul 27 01:07:23 right... so how big is sda1 in MBs or GBs Jul 27 01:07:27 it is my old 40GB hitachi laptop drive in a MacAlly case Jul 27 01:07:33 32 MB Jul 27 01:07:41 it is for uImage Jul 27 01:08:40 sda5 is ext3 Jul 27 01:08:48 well need to get going.... Jul 27 01:09:26 when I get back I can hook up to the serial port and get the u-boot command I used Jul 27 01:09:39 I'll be back in an hour or two Jul 27 01:09:42 cool... I might be here Jul 27 01:09:56 ok Jul 27 01:10:48 picked up a 320gb 2.5 inch drive today for my OpenRD Client need to buy some spacers and screws beofre I cna mount it to the MB Jul 27 01:10:56 see your later **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jul 27 02:59:57 2009