**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 01 02:59:58 2009 Aug 01 14:29:08 i need help (again) Aug 01 14:29:45 i planned to using a wd passport 2.5' (250GB) with my sheevaplug Aug 01 14:30:01 i was assured that the sheevaplug would carry enough current to power it up Aug 01 14:30:15 unfortunately, this wasn't true... at least with my hard disk Aug 01 14:30:39 for now i'm still installing/setupping the software Aug 01 14:30:57 so i kept the plug close to my pc Aug 01 14:31:13 and powered up the hard with one of those 3-way usb cables (one end into my pc) Aug 01 14:31:33 this morning i went out Aug 01 14:31:54 and bought a usb charger (for mp3s and alike) Aug 01 14:31:58 it carries 500mA Aug 01 14:32:07 i thought it would be enough Aug 01 14:32:19 i connected the hd to this charger AND the plug Aug 01 14:32:39 but it can't mount it: it continues to click, like its not receiving enough power Aug 01 14:33:07 i powered it off, reconnected it... and this time it didn't even show up inside lsusb and fdisk -l Aug 01 14:33:11 now i'm quite worried Aug 01 14:33:48 i discovered that some people say that the hd will need as low as 600mA Aug 01 14:33:59 but more probably is akin to 1000mA (1A) Aug 01 14:34:13 then i read the sheevaplug carries 750mA Aug 01 14:34:30 adding those to my charger's 500mA Aug 01 14:34:38 it should be enough to power it up Aug 01 14:35:14 (btw, now i have connected the hd to my pc and it's working fine... so it's not an hard disk issue) Aug 01 14:35:33 someone has any clue? Aug 01 14:56:26 <_dieter__> Tiibiidii: I would try to place a active powered hub between the plug and the harddisk. This should work. Aug 01 14:57:11 Tiibiidii, most HDs require about 1A (1000ma) to spin up, thereafter they will consume far less. A 500ma charger is insufficient. Aug 01 14:57:37 yes, but it's 500mA + the 780mA given by the sheevaplug Aug 01 14:57:45 You cannot sum the currents. Aug 01 14:57:54 Only if the two plugs are on the same hardware. Aug 01 14:57:57 unfortunately here i don't have any powered usb hub... i'll see what i can find Aug 01 14:58:19 Only if the two plugs are on the same hardware. <-- really? Aug 01 14:59:36 Consider: assume the sheeva provides 4.99V and the charger provides 5.01V -- the charger will be asked to provide all the current and the sheeva none. Now in practice, the current will be proportiioned such that the voltage will equal out between the two, and you have no idea what that ratio will be. Aug 01 15:00:07 got it Aug 01 15:00:21 uhm Aug 01 15:00:59 (so this is why with usb ports on computers it can add: even if the current can be different, voltage should be the same) Aug 01 15:08:19 II have had great success using an old 2.5" hitachi drive that I put in a macally 250 cc enclosure. Aug 01 15:08:35 Spins up ncely and keeps working Aug 01 15:12:30 good for you Aug 01 15:12:45 actually i plugged this hd Aug 01 15:12:46 and Aug 01 15:12:51 The spin-up requirements are very drive-specific; I've had excellent results with Hitachi drives as well, less-so with Seagate or WD 2.5" drives. Aug 01 15:13:30 inside system information (on macosx) it says that it needs "2 mA"... if i would have know it before of much current i needed Aug 01 15:13:57 how much* Aug 01 15:14:05 It also depends on the design of the enclosure; some of them have circuitry to prevent sending power backwards up the USB connection when you plug in the external PSU directly to the enclosure; often that circuitry reduces the voltage to the drive slightly. Aug 01 15:14:39 uhm Aug 01 15:14:58 mwester: also depends on the chip set the enclosure uses and how much power that wastes Aug 01 15:15:10 true Aug 01 15:15:34 Hmm... I wonder if SATA interfaces require more or less current than the old IDE? Aug 01 15:15:57 might be worth starting a page with enclosure/drive combo and what the results of usinghave been Aug 01 15:16:35 mwester: that is what I have been thinking....the hitachi drive is an old ide one I pulled out of a powerbook Aug 01 15:16:56 Wouldn't hurt, and a little explanatory text (as we've been discussing here) might help folks to understand some of the issues, and set expectations as to what is realistic and reliable. Aug 01 15:17:37 tinker-f595_, that's exactly the set of Hitachi's I have had success with -- old ones pulled out of notebooks. Small capacity, but I have no complaints about those old drives. Aug 01 15:18:06 mwester: what do you consider small capacity Aug 01 15:18:08 ? Aug 01 15:18:57 <_dieter__> Tiibiidii: If you were a electronics tinker you can try to add a really huge capacitor to the usb vbus pin - maybe this is enough to allow the hd spin up correctly? Aug 01 15:18:59 :D I guess all things are relative... 20GB is "small" for laptops in my opinion. Aug 01 15:19:32 <_dieter__> Tiibiidii: If you don't familiar with electronic curcuits you shouldn't try this - you can also brick your plug! :) Aug 01 15:20:48 mwester: I remember when 20MB drives were large ;) Aug 01 15:21:01 _dieter__: don't worry, i won't do it :P Aug 01 15:21:02 :) Yep. Aug 01 15:21:23 dieter__: Hi! Aug 01 15:25:20 any one else have an OpenRD ? Aug 01 15:28:51 Tiibiidii: I have set up U-boot so both the kernel and rootfs are booted from the HDD in the usb enclosure Aug 01 15:39:56 mwester: so a wiki page for harddrive /enclosure combo may be useful ...what should we call it? Aug 01 15:40:18 "using external hard drives"? Aug 01 15:42:00 except this would be aimed at what works and what does not. Aug 01 15:42:18 maybe just "External Hard Drives" Aug 01 15:42:30 seems fine Aug 01 15:43:51 now need to find that scrap of paper in which I wrote down the model of hdd I am using. Do not want to shut it down to open the case cause that will ruin my uptime ;) Aug 01 15:45:20 so create a table with columns drive model and type, enclosure model and type, drive mountable, drive bootable Aug 01 15:46:02 oh also column for powered from sheeavlplug or not Aug 01 15:46:31 uhm Aug 01 15:47:09 this should be for both drives with or without an enclosure, right? Aug 01 15:47:36 maybe, if know, it would be nice to know the amperage required by the hd Aug 01 15:48:16 so, if one want to power it from another source, could know how much it needs Aug 01 15:59:23 Tiibiidii: the amperage information is typically available from the manufactuter's web site Aug 01 16:01:46 do you mean it would be better to link the manufacturer's website? Aug 01 16:02:51 Yes as there are many different sub-types of models. Well we could put links at the bottom of the page. Aug 01 16:03:03 I have started work on the page. Aug 01 16:13:09 <_dieter__> tinker-f595_: Hi Aug 01 16:13:24 hi Aug 01 16:56:34 mwester: I started the page http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/External_Hard_Drives Aug 01 17:05:28 mwester: feel free to add your comments regarding technical considerations when choosing an external hard drive / enclosure combination for use with the SheevaPlug Aug 01 17:09:54 i gave back the usb charger, and bought a dlink powered hub usb Aug 01 17:10:07 i'm quite afraid Aug 01 17:10:22 the disk spinned up fine Aug 01 17:10:34 but it can't be seen from fdisk -l Aug 01 17:10:39 now i'm rebooting Aug 01 17:11:41 why you afraid? Aug 01 17:11:53 because i don't get what is the problem Aug 01 17:12:14 the hd seems fine Aug 01 17:12:23 but i can't see it Aug 01 17:12:25 did you perform in u-boot 'usb start' ? Aug 01 17:12:34 ? Aug 01 17:12:47 yesterday i didn't it... and it worked fine Aug 01 17:12:51 do you mean Aug 01 17:12:56 setenv usb start Aug 01 17:12:57 ? Aug 01 17:13:12 just usb start Aug 01 17:13:15 the command Aug 01 17:13:23 ? Aug 01 17:13:25 mhn Aug 01 17:13:36 maybe it's needed if you boot from usb? Aug 01 17:13:48 at the moment i have only a user partition on the disk Aug 01 17:13:59 ubuntu is up and running just fine Aug 01 17:14:23 no it is to start usb sub system is my understanding Aug 01 17:14:46 at the u-boot prompt enter: usb start Aug 01 17:14:51 uhm... that's strange... how could it worked yesterday? Aug 01 17:15:00 hovewer i'll try Aug 01 17:15:04 that is strange Aug 01 17:22:04 now I'M worried Aug 01 17:22:10 i plugged it back here Aug 01 17:22:25 (with one end of the usb cable inside my pc usb port) Aug 01 17:22:37 without any u-boot command fed into it Aug 01 17:22:42 and it sees the drive just fine Aug 01 17:22:56 maybe it's the hub+usb cable that's problematic? Aug 01 17:26:49 oh crap Aug 01 17:30:22 i plugged the hub+hd in my pc Aug 01 17:30:24 it works fine Aug 01 17:30:31 i plug it into the sheevaplug Aug 01 17:30:33 nothing Aug 01 17:31:18 ok what happens with the usb to serial cable plugged into the sheevaplug and you reboot the plug and drop to the u-boot prompt Aug 01 17:31:38 do you get anything from usb start? Aug 01 17:31:57 is it formatted ext2? Aug 01 17:32:16 hfs+ and lvm Aug 01 17:32:56 the problem is lsusb nor fdisk see it.... that is independent of the fs type Aug 01 17:33:12 now i'll try with the usb serial cable Aug 01 17:34:13 after usb start Aug 01 17:34:48 then give it command 'usb part' to see if it can read the partition Aug 01 17:36:15 ok Aug 01 17:36:21 connected to usb Aug 01 17:36:27 i'll give usb start Aug 01 17:36:31 and then usb part Aug 01 17:37:16 now i have to reboot (i have used the serial on linux, but ATM i'm on macosx) Aug 01 17:43:21 hi Aug 01 17:43:29 Marvell>> usb start Aug 01 17:43:29 (Re)start USB... Aug 01 17:43:29 USB: scanning bus for devices... 1 USB Device(s) found Aug 01 17:43:29 scanning bus for storage devices... 0 Storage Device(s) found Aug 01 17:43:29 Marvell>> usb part Aug 01 17:43:30 print_part of 0 Aug 01 17:43:32 ## Unknown partition table Aug 01 17:43:34 print_part of 1 Aug 01 17:43:36 ## Unknown partition table Aug 01 17:43:38 print_part of 2 Aug 01 17:43:40 ## Unknown partition table Aug 01 17:43:44 print_part of 3 Aug 01 17:43:46 ## Unknown partition table Aug 01 17:43:48 print_part of 4 Aug 01 17:43:50 ## Unknown partition table Aug 01 17:43:50 Tiibiidii: hmmmm not good Aug 01 17:43:52 Marvell>> Aug 01 17:43:56 :( Aug 01 17:44:11 and cable connected correctly Aug 01 17:44:31 if i unplug from the sheeva, and plug it into the pc, it works fine Aug 01 17:44:50 what does fdisk -l on pc show Aug 01 17:45:43 (uhm, i unplugged the cable and the serial session terminated... maybe it touched the other cable?) Aug 01 17:46:16 ok Aug 01 17:46:19 maybe i got it Aug 01 17:46:26 oooops Aug 01 17:46:29 no, wrong Aug 01 17:46:52 here's the fdisk: Aug 01 17:46:53 Disco /dev/sdb: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 byte Aug 01 17:46:53 255 testine, 63 settori/tracce, 30401 cilindri Aug 01 17:46:53 Unità = cilindri di 16065 * 512 = 8225280 byte Aug 01 17:46:53 Identificativo disco: 0x000b19f2 Aug 01 17:46:53 Dispositivo Boot Start End Blocks Id System Aug 01 17:46:55 /dev/sdb1 1 20713 166377141 8e Linux LVM Aug 01 17:46:57 /dev/sdb4 20714 30402 77814765 af Sconosciuto Aug 01 17:47:14 Italiano Aug 01 17:48:03 hmmmmm LVM Aug 01 17:48:20 yep :) Aug 01 17:48:23 does u-boot recognize lvm Aug 01 17:48:35 yep which ? Aug 01 17:48:41 both :P Aug 01 17:48:45 haha Aug 01 17:48:54 where in Italy? Aug 01 17:49:12 bergamo Aug 01 17:49:15 near milan Aug 01 17:49:45 it has been a long time since I have been to Milano Aug 01 17:50:01 for work? Aug 01 17:50:06 Last trip to Italy was to Bologna Aug 01 17:50:15 not work...pleasure Aug 01 17:50:27 ah Aug 01 17:50:31 the food Aug 01 17:51:31 I have managed to avoid business trips. Aug 01 17:52:08 i'm not exactly a "buongustaio" :P never go to restaurants... and 1/2 years ago i abused of frozen food Aug 01 17:52:36 (then the liver started fattening, started a diet, and lost 23 kg) Aug 01 17:52:47 but it is quicker to cook from scratch than to prepare something that is frozen Aug 01 17:53:26 You good make a gourmet Italian meal in 12-15 minutes from scratch Aug 01 17:53:28 yeah, but i'm quite young (21) :P i live with my parents, so i'm not the one who usually cooks Aug 01 17:53:53 well get them to show you how to cook... Aug 01 17:54:01 it is a good skill and fun Aug 01 17:54:28 more than "them", "her" Aug 01 17:54:38 my father is quite inept at cooking ^^ Aug 01 17:54:39 ha Aug 01 17:54:44 hmmmm Aug 01 17:55:21 When I visited a family in reggio emilia it was the father that cooked and he was amazing cook Aug 01 17:55:50 (one time he put 6 peppers inside a spaghetti -3 person ration-) Aug 01 17:55:54 he had a very nice wife... Aug 01 17:56:04 depends on the type of peppers Aug 01 17:56:17 and depends if you are form India Aug 01 17:56:26 yeah, but for that amount of basta, 0.5 peppers would have been enough :) Aug 01 17:56:33 pasta* Aug 01 17:56:43 not if you are from India ;) Aug 01 17:56:45 lol Aug 01 17:57:23 I have Indian friends that kill there food with peppers when we go out to eat together Aug 01 17:57:57 uhm, you are from where? Aug 01 17:58:10 depends when in life? Aug 01 17:58:17 you mean now? Aug 01 17:58:30 yes, or your birthplace, the one which suits you most Aug 01 17:58:54 now in a very small city just south of San Francisco, CA Aug 01 17:59:46 mhn, so you travel a lot (or the indians are from san francisco? :D ) Aug 01 18:00:17 Indian friends around here Aug 01 18:01:03 Also grew up with a lot of friends of Indian ancestry Aug 01 18:01:25 uhm Aug 01 18:01:35 unrelated question: Aug 01 18:01:40 how is my english? Aug 01 18:01:40 k Aug 01 18:01:53 pretty good for irc Aug 01 18:02:10 uhm... ok, irc chat it's probably not stanford's english... Aug 01 18:02:22 i was thinking of trying the toefl Aug 01 18:02:24 oh that would be terrible Aug 01 18:02:34 stanford english Aug 01 18:02:44 terrible? Aug 01 18:03:24 most undergraduates I have met from stanford have been what could be classified as airheads Aug 01 18:03:38 actually, i don't know a *non-vulgar metaphoric expression lacking* about standford, and its english Aug 01 18:03:45 airheads? Aug 01 18:04:14 like... guys who don't take anything seriously? Aug 01 18:04:18 yes Aug 01 18:04:32 most of them are spoilt rich kids... Aug 01 18:04:43 Noun Aug 01 18:04:43 Singular Aug 01 18:04:43 airhead Aug 01 18:04:43 Aug 01 18:04:43 Plural Aug 01 18:04:44 airheads Aug 01 18:04:46 airhead (plural airheads) Aug 01 18:04:48 1. (pejorative) A silly, foolish or unintelligent person Aug 01 18:04:50 ok :D Aug 01 18:06:22 at stanford used to be if you were not going to get an A you could drop the class before the exam results were posted and nothing about the class would be on your record. So students could keep changing classes till they found combination of classes easy enough to get As in Aug 01 18:06:30 hovewer the toefl is an english test, so if it'll ever happen... i could go outside italy for learning Aug 01 18:07:04 Friends of mine used to teach TOEFL Aug 01 18:07:33 i was looking for some example tests, but haven't found anything Aug 01 18:07:45 He is a producer with BBC world service now and his wife is applied anthropologist and they sometimes do documentaries together Aug 01 18:08:04 (honestly, i haven't yet searched in emule... but i doubt it would be different) Aug 01 18:08:20 uh, nice work... Aug 01 18:08:27 TOEFL --- look at some of the exam bodies in the UK. Might find example tests there Aug 01 18:09:08 My Italian is so rusty...I won't even attempt to use it here Aug 01 18:10:11 so which kernel are you using onthe sheevaplug? Aug 01 18:10:30 2.6.30.3 Aug 01 18:10:38 Did you change anythingto dowith the kernel Aug 01 18:10:39 installed yesterday Aug 01 18:11:07 oh could you mount the usb drive before you put that kernel on? Aug 01 18:11:25 even now i can't mount it Aug 01 18:11:27 ops Aug 01 18:11:33 even now i CAN mount it Aug 01 18:12:03 i'll try to explain: Aug 01 18:12:10 i have this hd Aug 01 18:12:34 this hd doesn't power itself on with only the 750mA taken from the sheevaplug Aug 01 18:13:42 oh Aug 01 18:13:51 you can mount it now? Aug 01 18:13:59 on the sheevaplug? Aug 01 18:14:05 if i use a... Aug 01 18:14:13 i'm searching an image on google images Aug 01 18:14:20 but i don't know how it is called Aug 01 18:14:22 hovewer Aug 01 18:14:26 external power supply? Aug 01 18:14:27 it's a usb cable Aug 01 18:14:32 one of the 2 ends Aug 01 18:14:40 ah Aug 01 18:14:56 "has 2 ends"... one for data&power, and the other for power Aug 01 18:14:58 so Aug 01 18:15:08 if i plug the data&power inside the sheevaplug Aug 01 18:15:14 and the power inside my pc Aug 01 18:15:23 and the other end in the hd Aug 01 18:15:28 the hd is powered up Aug 01 18:15:35 and is seen fine by the sheevaplug Aug 01 18:16:01 now i've bought this hub usb Aug 01 18:16:04 hmmmmm Aug 01 18:16:08 if i plug the hd into it Aug 01 18:16:26 (the hub is powered) Aug 01 18:16:32 and i plug the hub in the pc Aug 01 18:16:39 hmmmm Aug 01 18:16:45 i can see fine the disk (the fdisk posted above) Aug 01 18:16:53 if i plug this same hub Aug 01 18:17:00 withouth touching the disk at all Aug 01 18:17:04 inside the sheevaplug Aug 01 18:17:12 nothing happens Aug 01 18:17:19 hmmmm Aug 01 18:17:33 sounds like a power problem of some sort Aug 01 18:17:54 i always thought of usb hubs as rather transparent & driver-less devices... so i don't know what could be the problem Aug 01 18:17:55 can you plug a power supply directly into the harddrive enclosure? Aug 01 18:17:59 no Aug 01 18:18:04 it's a wd passport Aug 01 18:18:08 hmmmm Aug 01 18:18:10 only a usb miniB Aug 01 18:18:35 that is why I like assembling my own drive /enclosure combination Aug 01 18:19:15 cause you can pick an enclosure that has the option of accepting an external power supply Aug 01 18:19:38 (actually i have another drive... an enclosure+drive combination... but it's way less spacier: 80GB against 250GB) Aug 01 18:20:35 nothing wrong with 80gb as long as you do not fill it with useless pictures and videos Aug 01 18:21:09 it WILL be filled with useless things, since i planned to use it as a backup for both macosx and linux... Aug 01 18:21:17 and as a ubuntu repository :D Aug 01 18:21:44 the macosx backup alone, is 70 GB Aug 01 18:21:50 ubuntu is not my favorite distro....over hyped Aug 01 18:22:11 unfortunately my favorite has not been ported to arm Aug 01 18:22:11 yeah, i tried gentoo... Aug 01 18:22:29 spent 3 days compiling Aug 01 18:22:48 until i found a cicling dependency^^ Aug 01 18:23:06 I like Mandriva cause it just works and it uses the latest of everything and issue security patches very quickly Aug 01 18:23:07 then restarted from scratch... and after 4 days i got my system working :P Aug 01 18:23:12 ha Aug 01 18:23:33 dd the image before you mess it up.... Aug 01 18:24:08 dd the image before you mess it up.... <-- are you talking about the external hd? Aug 01 18:24:22 yes Aug 01 18:24:32 the one with gentoo on it Aug 01 18:24:44 seeing as it took 4 days to build Aug 01 18:24:49 nono, i already nuked it :P Aug 01 18:24:54 i installed rpm Aug 01 18:24:55 ohhhhhhh Aug 01 18:25:04 what did you install? Aug 01 18:25:09 then i tried installing apt-get with rpm packages :P Aug 01 18:25:17 hmmmm Aug 01 18:25:29 which distro? Aug 01 18:25:34 failing so, i started copying by hand some libraries from my debian install Aug 01 18:25:37 (gentoo) Aug 01 18:25:44 until it collapsed :P Aug 01 18:25:49 is gentoo rpm or deb ? Aug 01 18:25:57 gentoo compiles everything :P Aug 01 18:26:00 uses ebuilds Aug 01 18:26:02 ah Aug 01 18:26:11 well for rpm use yum Aug 01 18:26:19 which are files that defines compile settings and options for everything Aug 01 18:26:41 one of the programs available for gentoo Aug 01 18:26:42 is rpm Aug 01 18:26:49 so i compiled rpm Aug 01 18:27:13 and on top of this i installed apt-get (actually it was an apt-get based on .rpm, not on .debs) Aug 01 18:27:15 http://yum.baseurl.org/ Aug 01 18:27:37 i did it only for the sake of seeing of far it could have worked :D Aug 01 18:27:46 I find yum works much better than apt-get at determining dependencies Aug 01 18:28:10 apt-get seems to want to give you stuff that is not even needed Aug 01 18:28:15 never used it for much time Aug 01 18:28:22 at least the one with ubuntu Aug 01 18:28:24 but everyone keeps telling me how yum is slow Aug 01 18:28:44 yum does a lot of dependency checking Aug 01 18:29:00 of course if you do the job correctly it will take more time Aug 01 18:29:17 instead of the messed up way apt does it Aug 01 18:29:31 they told me it read the entire index for every packages it is going to install... and that contributes to the slowness Aug 01 18:29:44 also depends on which repositories you have yum configured to check Aug 01 18:30:01 uhm, never got bad problems with apt Aug 01 18:30:18 Tiibiidii: that is the correct way to check for dependencies rather than guess like sutpid apt does Aug 01 18:30:19 but i can see how these are different approaches to the problem Aug 01 18:31:24 for example I used apt to install apache2 and it also installed mysql libraries!!! Why in the world do I need myssql libraries!!!! Aug 01 18:31:35 uhm, it seems like you spent a lot of time figuring out a mess caused by apt Aug 01 18:31:43 ah Aug 01 18:31:46 mhn Aug 01 18:31:53 that doesn't seem an apt problem Aug 01 18:32:01 and of course it installed the apache components in non-standard locations Aug 01 18:32:28 i mean: it seems a problem of the package manager of apache who decided to include mysql libraries as dependencies Aug 01 18:32:43 Tiibiidii: apache does not requrie mysql libraries but apt fetched them Aug 01 18:33:12 never had that happen on other distros with apache Aug 01 18:33:51 hovewer it seems it has been solved Aug 01 18:34:32 I seguenti pacchetti NUOVI (NEW) saranno installati: Aug 01 18:34:32 apache2 apache2-mpm-worker apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapr1 Aug 01 18:34:32 libaprutil1 libpq5 Aug 01 18:35:39 uhm Aug 01 18:35:44 or maybe not? Aug 01 18:37:27 (i have mysql-common and libmysqlclient15off installed... but they are required by empathy) Aug 01 18:39:12 yes so that would not show Aug 01 18:42:19 it seems definitely a hub problem hovewer Aug 01 18:42:25 it's not good Aug 01 18:42:33 i spent 15€ on it... Aug 01 18:42:47 and i went 2 times to mediaworld today... Aug 01 18:43:10 would be a pain to go a 3rd time... without even knowing if what i was about to buy would work Aug 01 18:43:32 i plugged my phone into the hub... Aug 01 18:43:40 and the sheevaplug doesn't feel anything Aug 01 18:43:55 so it seems that the problem is at the hub level Aug 01 18:44:09 the phone charges fine Aug 01 18:44:20 but the sheevaplug still doesn't see anything Aug 01 18:44:25 I uninstalled apache2 Aug 01 18:44:34 I went to reinstall Aug 01 18:45:26 #apt-get install apache2 Aug 01 18:45:26 Reading package lists... Done Aug 01 18:45:28 Building dependency tree Aug 01 18:45:28 Reading state information... Done Aug 01 18:45:28 The following extra packages will be installed: Aug 01 18:45:28 apache2-mpm-worker apache2-utils apache2.2-common libapr1 libaprutil1 Aug 01 18:45:28 libmysqlclient15off mysql-common Aug 01 18:45:41 dumb Aug 01 18:47:52 hovewer it's only mysql-common Aug 01 18:47:57 not the whole mysql Aug 01 18:48:09 even though i wonder what does it is good for Aug 01 18:48:19 these are the file installed more or less: Aug 01 18:48:30 /etc/mysql/conf.d Aug 01 18:48:44 /etc/mysql/my.cnf Aug 01 18:48:53 /usr/share/mysql-common/internal-use-only/_etc_init.d_mysql Aug 01 18:48:59 /usr/share/mysql-common/internal-use-only/_etc_logrotate.d_mysql-server Aug 01 18:49:05 /usr/share/mysql-common/internal-use-only/_etc_mysql_debian-start Aug 01 18:49:16 /usr/share/doc/mysql-common/copyright Aug 01 18:49:22 /usr/share/doc/mysql-common/changelog.Debian.gz Aug 01 18:52:41 yes...why!!!!!! Aug 01 18:53:11 i'm tired... Aug 01 18:53:17 i can't get this working Aug 01 18:53:28 the cable connecting the hub and the sheevaplug Aug 01 18:53:36 is an A-B usb cable Aug 01 18:53:55 i took another A-B cable (the only one in home) from the printer Aug 01 18:53:58 but nothing changed Aug 01 18:54:03 it seems a hub problem Aug 01 18:54:06 but i can't see why Aug 01 18:54:09 damn Aug 01 18:56:18 what brand of hub? Aug 01 18:57:45 dlink Aug 01 18:58:19 "dlink works well" told me the clerk... Aug 01 19:02:59 hmmmmm Aug 01 19:03:11 and how does he know? Aug 01 19:03:29 gee it is after noon.... Aug 01 19:03:40 should get out and about Aug 01 19:04:01 nice chatting...good luck on resolving the drive problem Aug 01 19:04:22 eh Aug 01 19:08:55 Tiibiidii: ciao Aug 01 19:09:01 ciao Aug 01 19:09:06 ty for the help **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 02 02:59:57 2009