**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Aug 25 02:59:56 2009
Aug 25 04:23:06 <echosystm> hey guys, is this a good place to ask questions about the openrd base?
Aug 25 04:24:39 <Q_Continuum> There's some people in here with them, yes.
Aug 25 04:32:23 <echosystm> ok, im investigating building a NAS
Aug 25 04:33:06 <echosystm> but i'm not that great with electronics
Aug 25 04:33:19 <echosystm> from what i can tell, the openrd base has no power connectors for hard drives
Aug 25 04:33:52 <echosystm> how would i go about having a 120mm fan and two hard drives connected?
Aug 25 04:34:10 <echosystm> is it as simple as splitting the wires?
Aug 25 04:35:28 <echosystm> obviously i would need a psu with higher output too
Aug 25 04:37:33 <Q_Continuum> 2.5" SATA drives on USB2 ports usually pull enough power over USB to not need a PSU.
Aug 25 04:38:17 <echosystm> yeah i want sata though
Aug 25 06:25:12 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: hmmm echosystem left.
Aug 25 06:25:34 <Q_Continuum> Sucks to be him.
Aug 25 06:25:40 <Q_Continuum> Guess he didn't want the info :-P
Aug 25 06:25:47 <tinker-f595> if he comes back tell him that the OpenRD have an internal sata port that mates up with a 2.5 inch drive
Aug 25 06:25:59 <Q_Continuum> Does it have an internal SATA power jack though?
Aug 25 06:26:02 <Q_Continuum> I think that was his concern.
Aug 25 06:26:07 <Q_Continuum> SATA data doesn't give power.
Aug 25 06:26:21 <tinker-f595> just need the correct spacers to make it clear the board
Aug 25 06:26:35 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: you are unclear on the concept...
Aug 25 06:26:38 <Q_Continuum> Also, I need to figure out what I need to partition the HD for, and what to unpack.
Aug 25 06:26:52 <Q_Continuum> Oh, it's got a fixed slot, like a laptop.
Aug 25 06:26:56 <Q_Continuum> I get it :-D
Aug 25 06:27:29 <tinker-f595> 2.5 inch drives have a male data and power connector.  There is a male connector that is designed for motherboards to  shove the drive connectors into
Aug 25 06:27:54 <Q_Continuum> yeah
Aug 25 06:28:07 <Q_Continuum> I was thinking like a desktop mobo, where it just has the sata data connectors.
Aug 25 06:28:19 <Q_Continuum> I wasn't thinking like a laptop, where it's a bay with both data and power.
Aug 25 06:28:26 <tinker-f595> now there is an esata connector as well and with that the 2.5 inch enclosures also have a usb port for sucking the power through
Aug 25 06:28:36 <tinker-f595> a vampire connection so to speak
Aug 25 06:28:43 <Q_Continuum> yup
Aug 25 06:29:03 <tinker-f595> I bought a very nice coolmax case for that purpose
Aug 25 06:30:14 <Q_Continuum> nice
Aug 25 06:30:26 <Q_Continuum> Yeah, I can see myself buying an OpenRD later on.
Aug 25 06:30:54 <tinker-f595> http://www.coolmaxusa.com/productDetails.asp?item=HD-250C-eSATA&details=overview&subcategory=eSATA&category=2.5SATA
Aug 25 06:31:16 <tinker-f595> weighs next to nothing and very slim.
Aug 25 06:32:20 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: how are your adventures in sheevaplug land going?
Aug 25 06:32:38 <Q_Continuum> Not very far yet, I'm not sure what partitions I need and what to unpack onto the HD.
Aug 25 06:32:39 <Q_Continuum> lol
Aug 25 06:32:55 <Q_Continuum> I need a root partition, and swap...I know that much.
Aug 25 06:34:33 <tinker-f595> I made a small boot parttion for the uImage and a rootfs that I put everything else into
Aug 25 06:35:42 <tinker-f595> my attitude is just get everything going and then optimize / experiment
Aug 25 06:36:07 <tinker-f595> I will probably dd my drive and save the image off and redo it all with fedora 11
Aug 25 06:38:53 <Q_Continuum> So I'm gonna set the Plug up to boot from HD first, and fall back to NAND if that fails.  What all partitions do I need on the HD?  (I haven't been able to find any useful info on this step, everyone else seems to just know what to do :P)
Aug 25 06:44:57 <Q_Continuum> The documentation I'm finding is on configuring UBoot, but not how to configure the drive you're setting up.
Aug 25 06:45:25 <tinker-f595> just a small boot for the uimage and a rootfs partition
Aug 25 06:47:06 <Q_Continuum> So 1 boot partition, say 250MB...1 root partition, and will I need/want a swap partition?
Aug 25 06:47:14 <Q_Continuum> I was thinking 2GB swap.
Aug 25 06:47:24 <Q_Continuum> Then leave the rest for the root partition.
Aug 25 06:48:52 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: this is what I did http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/External_Hard_Drives
Aug 25 06:50:22 <tinker-f595> I was reading about swap recently and the recommendations I saw said to match the size of the physical ram
Aug 25 06:50:49 <Q_Continuum> I've always seen suggestions to go double or triple physical RAM, unless you have 4GB or more.
Aug 25 06:50:51 <tinker-f595> Had something to do with the behavior of the omm and swap
Aug 25 06:51:09 <Q_Continuum> Oh, something specifically with the plug, or just general kernel design?
Aug 25 06:55:38 <tinker-f595> kernel desing
Aug 25 06:55:42 <tinker-f595> design
Aug 25 06:55:56 <tinker-f595> I was trying to find the article
Aug 25 06:57:01 <tinker-f595> whoops I type omm when I should of said OOM
Aug 25 07:00:29 <tinker-f595> look up "linux swap size and oom"
Aug 25 07:00:43 <tinker-f595> Q_Continuum: i am going to sleep
Aug 25 07:00:55 <Q_Continuum> G'night, thanks for the info.
Aug 25 07:11:13 <ron_> Q_Continuum: don't fret too much on tuning your swap, especially if you don't really know what you'l be using the machine for
Aug 25 07:11:28 <Q_Continuum> server work.
Aug 25 07:12:01 <Q_Continuum> I'm more concerned with what I unpack from the sheeva installer-6 alpha to what partitions, and what I have to tweak on that to have it work from a USB hard drive.
Aug 25 07:12:02 <ron_> if you're going to have lots of idle processes, lots of swap is probably what you want.  but if it's on the other side of USB, it's going to be hell slow to page it in and out
Aug 25 07:12:25 <Q_Continuum> I figured 1 or 2GB swap, first time around, just in case.
Aug 25 07:12:30 <Q_Continuum> keep an eye on it from there.
Aug 25 07:12:39 <ron_> when you run out of real RAM, things will slow to a crawl.  when you run out of swap as well, things will die.
Aug 25 07:12:45 <Q_Continuum> yeah
Aug 25 15:01:49 <grmartin> How would someone resurrect a system that the root password was lost on?
Aug 25 15:02:34 <grmartin> it runs Ubuntu, is the current dev model supported by GlobalScape (if thats of any value)
Aug 25 15:40:10 <christoph_debian> grmartin: you can probably modify the uboot bootline to get into single user mode and then passwd - reset the password?
Aug 25 15:40:27 <christoph_debian> grmartin: is that on the flash?
Aug 25 15:40:29 <christoph_debian> the OS?
Aug 25 15:40:34 <grmartin> thats a good idea.
Aug 25 15:40:46 <grmartin> yes the OS is the defualt Ubuntu install on the device
Aug 25 15:48:15 <grmartin> christoph_debian: ive been put in a position to learn this all myself, do you have a link to how to get in to the uboot console? seems whenever i connect via the usb serial connection the OS is already loaded
Aug 25 15:48:50 <christoph_debian> grmartin: well you'll ha ve to be faster I guess it's a bit hard but doable
Aug 25 15:49:14 <grmartin> ahh so its a timing thing. i was wondering if it was on another console or something
Aug 25 15:49:30 <grmartin> thank you
Aug 25 15:58:17 <tinker-f595> grmartin: you have about about 10 - 15 seconds after turning on the plug.
Aug 25 15:58:35 <tinker-f595> or resetting it
Aug 25 15:58:42 <grmartin> ok
Aug 25 15:58:58 <tinker-f595> So be quick with your serial console...
Aug 25 15:59:11 <grmartin> lol
Aug 25 16:00:03 <tinker-f595> Trick to do is make the serial console connection when it is at the linux prompt then push a paper clip in the reset hole without knocking out the mini usb cable connector
Aug 25 16:00:20 <grmartin> ahh
Aug 25 16:00:23 <grmartin> thats cool
Aug 25 16:00:23 <grmartin> \
Aug 25 16:00:27 <tinker-f595> that way the serial connection should stay alive
Aug 25 16:01:32 <grmartin> that was where i was struggling i figured it was on a separate channel because id find my computer wouldnt recognize the serial connection untill right before the prompt
Aug 25 16:01:45 <tinker-f595> another tip....do a printenv and save the console screen text to a file so you have a reference for all your settings
Aug 25 16:02:12 <grmartin> ok cool
Aug 25 16:02:47 <grmartin> the reset hole is the hole adjacent to the lights on the side--opposite of the connectors--right?
Aug 25 16:03:00 <tinker-f595> grmartin: also  make sure to hit the enter key when you see the uBoot prompt...it will drop you to the uBoot command line
Aug 25 16:03:15 <grmartin> ok
Aug 25 16:03:17 <tinker-f595> it is the paper clip diameter hole
Aug 25 16:03:36 <grmartin> cool
Aug 25 17:12:11 <rektide> wish me luck
Aug 25 17:12:25 <rektide> i dont know why it wouldnt, but i'm going to try updating nand with the mtd-utils from debian
Aug 25 17:12:40 <rektide> hopefully no different than whatever the ubuntu builds use
Aug 26 00:41:11 <ScratchMonkey> anyone know of a board that will fit in a 3x3 enclosure and exposes the PCIe port? I need Firewire and am thinking of using LSI FW643, and I need it to fit a 3x3x1 enclosure (connectors not included)
Aug 26 02:38:01 <necronian> Hello I bricked my sheevaplug, and I was hoping someone might be able to assist me?
Aug 26 02:54:39 <tinker-f595> necronian: Look here http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?board=1.0 Following the instructions for the sheevaplug installer
Aug 26 02:55:29 <necronian> Well actually I bricked my plug trying to run the sheevaplug installer...
Aug 26 02:58:32 <tinker-f595> impossible
Aug 26 02:58:46 <tinker-f595> you did not follow the instructions correctly
Aug 26 02:58:52 <tinker-f595> re read the instructions
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