**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 20 02:59:57 2009 Oct 20 03:13:10 ...what? Oct 20 03:13:22 Ok well if my Cron is working it will be back soon... Oct 20 03:14:14 Might have the dump the bot soon. Its too tempermental. Oct 20 14:20:22 marvell announced its armv7 procs Oct 20 14:21:07 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Marvell-Armada-100-500-600-and-1000/ Oct 20 14:21:12 rabeeh: i want! Oct 20 14:24:20 "said to be currently in the sampling stage" Oct 20 14:24:22 wah! :( Oct 20 14:24:28 Want it in a sheeva, now! :) Oct 20 14:25:04 * rabeeh doesn't comment :) Oct 20 14:27:19 * DDevine is eyeing those Cortex A9s. Oct 20 14:28:21 hmmmmmm....... Oct 20 14:33:57 Marvell Sheeva CPU core? Is this an alternate name for Kirkwood SoC? Oct 20 14:34:32 armin76: where are the samples? I want to apply as well :): Oct 20 14:34:43 armin, they are not armv5 Oct 20 14:34:57 and sheeva == kirkwood Oct 20 14:35:10 sheeva is the processor family Oct 20 14:35:21 kirkwood is one of the SoC that integrates sheeva processor inside Oct 20 14:35:56 sorry misread, there are both armv5 and armv7 devices Oct 20 14:36:49 is this processor trying to be a cheap design of iMX51 or OMAP3035 ? Oct 20 14:37:14 s,processor,SoC Oct 20 14:37:57 zumbi: not quite, ffrom looking at the block diagrams Oct 20 14:38:03 oh, interesting ! you get wireless via SDIO :) Oct 20 14:39:04 tinker-f595: what are you missing? Oct 20 14:39:21 zumbi: what makes you think its a cheap design? Oct 20 14:39:34 well the arm 610 looks on a pare with the omap Oct 20 14:39:49 the 88ap510 board definitely looks very interesting (so guess it will be out of range for hobbyists :-( ) Oct 20 14:39:53 armada 610 Oct 20 14:40:25 rabeeh: is this dove? Oct 20 14:40:30 eFfeM: i disagree, i think that's what marvell does, breaks the market for freescales and TIs Oct 20 14:40:50 looks like they have a maximum of 1 ethernet port or else I am reading the block diagram wrong Oct 20 14:41:19 zumbi what are you disagreeing about Oct 20 14:41:33 ? Oct 20 14:41:37 510 is dove Oct 20 14:41:56 rabeeh is dove a code name? Oct 20 14:42:16 rabeeh do any have multiple ethernet ports? Oct 20 14:42:20 rabeeh: gimme then! :) Oct 20 14:42:45 rabeeh any idea on prices? Oct 20 14:43:04 tinker-f595: i disagree on that board will be out of range for hobbyists Oct 20 14:43:30 zumbi so you think the proces will be on the lower end of the scale Oct 20 14:43:30 zumbi: can you pay 3000$? because thats what the discovery boards costs, or so i was told Oct 20 14:43:43 I would like to see something that competes with the Beagle Board. Oct 20 14:44:06 armin76: which discovery boards? Oct 20 14:44:21 zumbi: look for marvell discovery innovation Oct 20 14:45:32 * ron__ hands armin76 a bill for the setup costs of a small fab run ;) Oct 20 14:45:35 tinker-f595: dove is the internal name for the SoC Oct 20 14:45:49 the 510 family that is Oct 20 14:46:15 zumbi: its same as sheevaplug, but with 2 eth, pci express, sticks of ram, sata...BTX-like board Oct 20 14:47:16 armin76: I wonder if that board is so expensive because they are custom made and nt mass produced? Oct 20 14:47:34 armin76: i am confused now. Sorry, i use a PowerPC board with a Discovery III system, that is over 3000$, but only discovery chip is not above that price Oct 20 14:48:06 zumbi: its discovery innovation, not discovery, disc.inn is arm Oct 20 14:48:40 tinker-f595: have no clue, rabeeh and lennert should know Oct 20 14:49:27 the dev boards are generally not mass produced Oct 20 14:49:27 no one "custom makes" things in that quantity. it just costs a lot of money to turn on the really expensive machines that make them Oct 20 14:49:34 found the official press release and it indicates Canonical has been working with them http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/marvell_armada_application_processors_mobile/release/1341/ Oct 20 14:49:48 and that's pretty much a constant, whether you make a lot of a few Oct 20 14:50:15 armin76: ok, i see what you mean Oct 20 14:51:40 ron__: well I know outfits that have boards custom made in small batches for developers. Oct 20 14:51:42 anyway, i would also like to see armada's cabal being a competitor to Beagles :) Oct 20 14:51:54 tinker-f595: yup, ubuntu devs have them Oct 20 14:52:39 tinker-f595: ubuntu has support for marvell dove and babbage board(imx51) Oct 20 14:52:54 armin76: not seen any emails to the arm kernel list regarding them. I assume now that they have been announced the kernel checkins will start Oct 20 14:53:35 tinker-f595: afaik marvell has its own kernel tree, private of course, and ubuntu has been pulling patches to theirs Oct 20 14:53:55 so yeah, no support in upstream kernel Oct 20 14:54:07 nobody hand etches 8 layer pcbs. you get them made in prototype quantities. and pay the price for that Oct 20 14:54:31 ron__: you do not know everyone ;) Oct 20 14:54:42 tinker-f595: upstream just supports the core A8 or A9 via Catalin Marinas and others Oct 20 14:54:59 hm, i see openrd also as a dev board and that is not expensive Oct 20 14:55:22 rabeeh: what is the ETA for the ArmadaPlug ;-) Oct 20 14:55:24 and there are shops that will produce 8 layer boards in very small quantities. That is why some dev boards are so expenisve Oct 20 14:56:13 * ron__ hands armin76 a bill for the setup costs of a small fab run ;) Oct 20 14:56:17 rabeeh: what is the ETA for an OpenRD / BeagleBoard type device using the 610 Oct 20 14:56:25 we could make a community hardware with those chips , open hard :) Oct 20 14:56:38 poor rabeeh Oct 20 14:57:01 * rabeeh needs his break now Oct 20 14:57:06 rabeeh is hiding behind the screen :) Oct 20 15:00:19 * zumbi wants SAN and SAS storage support for sheevas Oct 20 15:02:52 zumbi, you can try to install iscsi Oct 20 15:03:23 eFfeM: is that a software package? Oct 20 15:04:39 zumbi actually it is a protocol, but there are implementations for both client and server under linux Oct 20 15:05:25 eFfeM: yes, but iSCSI works over... which phisical lines? sheeva has support? Oct 20 15:05:33 iSCSI runs over ip Oct 20 15:05:36 hence the i prefix Oct 20 15:05:43 look it up on wikipedia and or at the openscsi project Oct 20 15:06:24 not too sure how robust iscsi on arm is but if i recall correctly synology has it in one of their newest products Oct 20 15:06:38 i just did, it carries SCSI commands over IP networks, interesting Oct 20 15:06:49 mind the performance Oct 20 15:06:57 btw, hi lennert :) Oct 20 15:07:09 hi zumbi *g* Oct 20 15:07:46 *g* ? Oct 20 15:08:10 eFfeM, what "performance"? :D Oct 20 15:08:24 if i recall correctly netapp also offers iscsi for their filers Oct 20 15:08:47 and netapp is probably the market leader on distributed enterprise storage Oct 20 15:09:22 yacoob, i have no experience with iscsi myself, it is still on my todo list, but I recall having read somewhere that it uses up quite some cpu Oct 20 15:10:13 Oh, I do believe so. Achieving a decent throughput on sheeva might not be feasible. Oct 20 15:10:23 guess that is to be expected if you want to obtain a high data rate in combination with encrypted data (and no hw encryption support) Oct 20 15:11:26 and note that for iscsi you need (at least) two devices: the host and the client Oct 20 15:22:33 There's a light-weight alternative to iSCSI. iSCSI fits in with the data-center class stuff, and moving it down is hard. There is an ATA-over-IP technology that might lend itself to small devices, where security is not a big deal but low overhead is important. Oct 20 15:23:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet Oct 20 15:39:33 mwester thanks, didn't know that one Oct 20 15:39:36 there was something along those lines for linuxHA Oct 20 15:40:12 drbd Oct 20 15:40:13 (of course one can also just run nfs, but guess wrt throughput that is a loss Oct 20 15:40:52 I'd start with asking 'what kind of performance do you require', to see whether you're optimising in the right direction :) Oct 20 17:44:11 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 20 20:16:14 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 20 22:16:15 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Oct 20 22:56:54 2009 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 20 23:36:15 2009 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 21 02:59:59 2009