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Dec 05 03:19:21 <morfic> lol, where do you get the ubuntu openjdk packages from? http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/openjdk-6-jre-headless only lists amd64 and i386
Dec 05 03:28:18 <morfic> would be cool if openjdk linked to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/armel/openjdk-6-jre-headless/6b16-1.6.1-1ubuntu3 instead i guess
Dec 05 03:49:25 <morfic> distupgrade to karmic seems to be just as evil as the circular dep
Dec 05 10:26:47 <armin76> morfic: you know karmic won't work on the plug, right?
Dec 05 16:55:56 <phaidros> anyone got audio encoding with darkice or the like running on the plug?
Dec 05 16:56:04 <phaidros> (aka streaming)
Dec 05 17:33:35 <melmoth> Polom
Dec 05 17:33:38 <melmoth> http://www.tonidoplug.com/?gclid=CNXci_Tpv54CFVBd4wodfDDUog
Dec 05 17:33:44 <melmoth> is that a clone ?
Dec 05 17:45:16 <mwester> No, that is a plug.
Dec 05 17:46:29 <mwester> The plug is designed to be an OEM-able device; the one we purchase is intended for development.  OEMs can purchase the device and re-brand it (and I presume add some customizations, and I suspect the OEM version does not have the jtag/console daughterboard inside either)
Dec 05 17:57:43 <stockholm> hi
Dec 05 17:58:07 <stockholm> how can you see the version of u-boot from within the running linux distro?
Dec 05 17:58:23 <stockholm> i want to install debian on it, as it came with an ubuntu
Dec 05 17:58:25 <mwester> AFAIK you can't
Dec 05 17:58:33 <stockholm> i have a sheevaplug
Dec 05 17:58:43 <stockholm> doh, bummer
Dec 05 17:58:55 <mwester> Just boot it; the console will tell you.
Dec 05 17:59:46 <stockholm> on http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/uboot-upgrade.html it says i should connect to it with the serial cable.
Dec 05 17:59:57 <stockholm> i am guessing they talk about serial cable, right?
Dec 05 18:00:04 <stockholm> doh
Dec 05 18:00:09 <stockholm> usb i mean
Dec 05 18:00:19 <mwester> Yes.
Dec 05 18:00:20 <stockholm> there are two usb connectors
Dec 05 18:00:33 <mwester> Right.  The console one is the little connector on the side.
Dec 05 18:00:33 <stockholm> are both "equal"ß
Dec 05 18:00:34 <stockholm> ?
Dec 05 18:00:38 <stockholm> ah, ok
Dec 05 18:00:48 <mwester> No they are not at all equal.
Dec 05 18:01:25 <mwester> One is a host connector; the other is a device - a USB-connected serial port which is then wired to the console (and it can also manage the jtag hardware).
Dec 05 18:02:13 <stockholm> ok
Dec 05 18:02:29 <stockholm> how do i connect to in software wise on my linux machine?
Dec 05 18:03:03 <stockholm> minicom?
Dec 05 18:03:08 <stockholm> seems ancient.
Dec 05 18:03:29 <eFfeM> cu ?
Dec 05 18:03:37 <eFfeM> any terminal prog will do
Dec 05 18:06:33 <stockholm> never used cu...
Dec 05 18:07:01 <eFfeM> stockholm: it is command line, if you think minicom is ancient this is archeology
Dec 05 18:07:12 <eFfeM> cu -s 115200 -l /dev/ttyUSB0
Dec 05 18:07:21 <eFfeM> use ~. to leave it
Dec 05 18:09:40 <stockholm> eFfeM: ah, thanks, i just found it on the wiki, too
Dec 05 18:10:01 <stockholm> eFfeM: ancient because i used it like 10 years ago
Dec 05 18:11:16 <stockholm> i need to reset it to get the version number output?
Dec 05 18:11:55 <stockholm> i just get a login prompt now
Dec 05 18:12:23 <eFfeM> yes (and don't power cycle as it will loose the terminal connection
Dec 05 18:13:42 <stockholm> ack
Dec 05 18:17:15 <stockholm> U-Boot 1.1.4 (Jul 19 2009 - 16:03:28) Marvell version: 3.4.19
Dec 05 18:17:20 <stockholm> sweet, no update required
Dec 05 18:18:43 <armin76> omgz, its not the latest!
Dec 05 18:21:00 <stockholm> armin76: gee, who needs the latest? :-)
Dec 05 18:22:08 <stockholm> so i want to put uImage and uInitrd on the sd-card. what filesystem should it have?
Dec 05 18:22:38 <stockholm> or should i dd the image to the sd-card?
Dec 05 18:30:26 <armin76> uInitrd?
Dec 05 18:30:37 <armin76> didn't know you could do that
Dec 05 18:30:48 <armin76> stockholm: the kernel is a dd, yes
Dec 05 18:31:05 <armin76> oh well
Dec 05 18:31:12 <armin76> stockholm: nope, its not a dd :P
Dec 05 18:31:16 <armin76> on the sdcard its not
Dec 05 18:31:38 <stockholm> but what filesystem should the sdcard have?
Dec 05 18:31:40 <stockholm> fat?
Dec 05 18:32:10 <stockholm> right now it is
Dec 05 18:32:10 <stockholm> /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /media/sheevaplug-rootf type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
Dec 05 18:32:13 <stockholm> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/sheevaplug-uImag type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal)
Dec 05 18:32:47 <stockholm> do i need to repartition and reformat it?
Dec 05 18:35:55 <armin76> stockholm: no clue, sorry, i use nfs
Dec 05 18:36:48 <armin76> stockholm: haven't you seen the guide @ http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/unpack.html ?
Dec 05 18:41:30 <stockholm> armin76: there tbm uses an other install, not the sd-card install with uImage etc
Dec 05 18:43:09 <armin76> stockholm: where do you see that? i see he's using the mmc to boot
Dec 05 18:43:15 <armin76> mmc/sd
Dec 05 18:43:31 <stockholm> i dont talk about boot, but install :-)
Dec 05 18:43:39 <stockholm> armin76: here: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html
Dec 05 18:44:07 <stockholm> Now you can load the installer. The instructions will depend on where you want to load the installer from. Also note that you may have to replace fatload with ext2load in case you used the ext2 or ext3 filesystem on your USB stick or MMC card.
Dec 05 18:44:11 <stockholm> ah
Dec 05 18:44:27 <stockholm> you can pick
Dec 05 18:44:55 <armin76> depends on what you do on the installer, i guess
Dec 05 19:04:27 <stockholm> ok, now i am inside the installer.
Dec 05 19:04:52 <stockholm> i guess i expected something else...
Dec 05 19:05:45 <stockholm> tbm: i read your guide, but i was unsure at what stage i was...
Dec 05 19:07:29 <stockholm> tbm: a short overview might have helped, like "you will have to load the uimage and uinitrd from some medium and finally start the installation manually
Dec 05 19:16:25 * mwester thinks the best way to connect to the plug's console from a linux host is to use "neocon" (written for the openmoko project, for the debug board -- works wonderfully for the plug, and way simpler than any other term package).
Dec 05 19:17:42 <stockholm> tbm: the installer only offers to install to the fat-formatted sdcard (which i have in my phone normally.) which is in the plug now. it would be neat to install either to the internal flash (how can i do that?) or be promted to put in the "new" sdcard at some point
Dec 05 19:18:33 <stockholm> anyone having done the debian-installer procedure before: can i put in an other sdcard once i loaded the uImage and uInitrd?
Dec 05 19:18:55 <stockholm> do i need to du the mmcinit again, then?
Dec 05 19:19:00 <stockholm> to do
Dec 05 19:22:39 <armin76> why do you want to put another sd card?
Dec 05 19:33:47 <phaidros> anyone got darkice / ices or whatever stream encoder running on the seehva?
Dec 05 19:34:12 <phaidros> only working for me is ezstream, to stream static files. but no success encoding from usb line-in :/
Dec 05 19:49:04 <stockholm> armin76: i have one 4gig sdcard i want to use with the sheevaplug, but i put the kernen and the ramdisk on a smaller fat-formatted sdcard which i would like ot use otherwise
Dec 05 19:49:23 <stockholm> armin76: so i would like to switch sdcards in the process
Dec 05 19:49:38 <stockholm> seems to be best do do before it starts the boot process
Dec 05 19:50:37 <stockholm> has anyone used a usb network card (for twisted pair) with the sheeva plug?
Dec 05 19:50:45 <stockholm> are those real power drains?
Dec 05 19:50:45 <armin76> well, i have no clue, depends if the card is mounted
Dec 05 20:04:52 <stockholm> tbm: it seems to work fine to switch the card after kernel and initrd were loaded
Dec 05 20:10:03 <stockholm> except that i get an error when trying to partition the card
Dec 05 20:24:11 <stockholm>  The ext2 file system creation in partition #1 of MMC/SD card #1  │
Dec 05 20:24:12 <stockholm>       │ (mmcblk0) failed.
Dec 05 20:24:16 <stockholm> doh
Dec 05 20:24:38 <stockholm> should this work on 4Gbyte sdcards?
Dec 05 20:26:36 <phaidros> where would I get snd_pcm_oss from? might not be packaged, right?
Dec 05 20:43:15 <phaidros> hm, ices2 is not doing anything as well ..
Dec 05 20:43:46 <phaidros> sheeva is not the most streaming friendly plattform I've seen so far :/
Dec 05 20:45:37 <armin76> s/sheeva/arm
Dec 05 20:45:49 <mwester> I think you would have to say that whatever distro you are using is not "streaming friendly".
Dec 05 20:46:13 <mwester> There are a great many folks very happy with their ARM-based devices streaming happily away.
Dec 05 20:48:51 <phaidros> mwester: having squeeze running.
Dec 05 20:49:19 <phaidros> and: there is actually no package being able to capture sound from usb-audio ootb
Dec 05 20:49:42 <phaidros> with ezstream I can strrrrrream files easily
Dec 05 20:49:52 <phaidros> oops. my 'r' ist broken :)
Dec 05 20:50:19 <tinker-f595> phaidros: try fedora arm 12  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM
Dec 05 20:50:21 <phaidros> darkice as well as ices2 have problems to capture from usb at all, or have buffer underuns
Dec 05 20:50:39 <phaidros> tinker-f595: to change the distro is not a solution ;)
Dec 05 20:50:57 <tinker-f595> phaidros other people are streaming okay
Dec 05 20:51:17 <tinker-f595> which kernel versio are you using
Dec 05 20:51:17 <phaidros> d'u know if anyone of them is on ubuntu/debian ?
Dec 05 20:51:37 <phaidros> Linux core 2.6.30.2 #11 PREEMPT
Dec 05 20:52:25 <tinker-f595> is that compile gnueabi?
Dec 05 20:52:51 <phaidros> uh, this one I don't understand ..
Dec 05 20:52:53 <tinker-f595> kind of old kernel
Dec 05 20:53:54 <phaidros> k, so I'd go update that one ..
Dec 05 20:54:49 <Bryanstein> phaidros, you installed from tbm 's Debian installer?
Dec 05 20:55:02 <phaidros> Bryanstein: yes
Dec 05 20:55:16 <phaidros> but imho I took a newer rootfs
Dec 05 20:55:21 <Bryanstein> Hmmm is alsa even supported in that one ?
Dec 05 20:55:31 <Bryanstein> or sound period?
Dec 05 20:55:48 <phaidros> Bryanstein: happily playing music on a variety of usb sound cards :)
Dec 05 20:55:57 <phaidros> no snd-pcm-oss though :/
Dec 05 20:56:05 <phaidros> which might cause some of the headaches
Dec 05 20:56:28 <phaidros> recording/encoding a nogo so far ..
Dec 05 20:56:57 <phaidros> to clear some things I didn't really understand yet:
Dec 05 20:57:18 <tinker-f595> phaidros: gnueabi tells it to use the emulation mode for floating point if no floating point available instructions available. If you don't use this flag then floating point instructions are attempted, a  processor exception is thrown and then emulated and it slows down the system.
Dec 05 20:57:31 <phaidros> with the installer I already updated the uboot, is it now capable of running an onion kernel?
Dec 05 20:58:03 <phaidros> tinker-f595: the difference lies in kernel or userland emulation, right?
Dec 05 20:58:09 <tinker-f595> phaidros:  which u-boot version are you running?
Dec 05 20:58:34 <phaidros> sec, gotta boot the plug for that info .. and switch of the sound ;)
Dec 05 20:59:06 <tinker-f595> phaidros: no it is kernel emulation versus attempting to execute the instruction and throwing an exception
Dec 05 20:59:22 <phaidros> tinker-f595: U-Boot 1.1.4 (Jul 19 2009 - 16:03:28) Marvell version: 3.4.19
Dec 05 21:00:04 <tinker-f595> phaidros ah it is a Marvell build.... I was hoping you could tell me how the mainline u-bbot behaved  ;)
Dec 05 21:00:22 <phaidros> tinker-f595: wasn't there a userland lib or a gcc option for the userland tools vs. kernel softfpu? at least that's what I understood .. not good in those things though
Dec 05 21:00:48 <phaidros> tinker-f595: so, which is the mainline one then?
Dec 05 21:01:12 <tinker-f595> phaidros: some where I have an article explaining gnueabi.  If you hang on I will try and find it
Dec 05 21:02:22 <phaidros> tinker-f595: yes would be great, but I'll look for it on the allknowing trashcan as well .. gnueabi
Dec 05 21:02:34 <tinker-f595> mainline u-boot http://git.denx.de/?p=u-boot.git;a=summary
Dec 05 21:04:55 <phaidros> thx
Dec 05 21:23:33 <phaidros> so which kernel is everone using here?
Dec 05 21:23:44 <phaidros> orion? kernel.orgr?
Dec 05 21:50:59 <stockholm> how can i debug the partitioning step in debian-installer?
Dec 05 21:51:13 <stockholm> i cant write my partitionlayout to disk
Dec 05 21:52:26 <tinker-f595> phaidros:  you might find this short article interesting http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/Linux-For-Devices-Articles/Why-ARMs-EABI-matters/
Dec 05 23:26:14 <morfic> armin76: no, or else i hadn't tried, how'd they manage that? they really do want me to switch distros, don't they, i bet bonsaikitten did it, so i look at other distros, i know it was him
Dec 06 02:54:35 <morfic> boo for armv6+vfp
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