**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 07 02:59:57 2009 Dec 07 06:22:13 anyone have archmobile on their sheevaplug? Dec 07 06:56:14 f3ar007, you're still trying that ? Dec 07 06:56:31 Bryanstein: yes Dec 07 06:56:36 lol hahaha Dec 07 06:56:43 so what's wrong with Debian? Dec 07 06:56:47 nothing! Dec 07 06:56:51 except i had sid! Dec 07 06:57:07 im going to install lenny Dec 07 06:57:08 well no it's squeeze I think Dec 07 06:57:18 yeah squeeze, i meant that Dec 07 06:57:26 squeeze is fine Dec 07 06:57:38 you can add lenny to the repo Dec 07 06:57:47 and install lenny packages too man Dec 07 06:57:59 whoa, cool Dec 07 06:58:05 is that backports? Dec 07 06:58:21 lol...but tftp your archmobile Dec 07 06:58:41 can you explain a bit more... Dec 07 06:58:50 /etc/apt/apt.conf Dec 07 06:58:50 APT::Default-Release "squeeze"; Dec 07 06:58:53 put that there Dec 07 06:59:03 look in your sources.list Dec 07 06:59:20 and copy every line but replace the new copies with lenny Dec 07 06:59:28 then apt-get update Dec 07 07:00:06 then do apt-get install cmatrix/lenny or apt-get install -t lenny cmatrix Dec 07 07:00:32 do that to install any package from lenny Dec 07 07:00:38 not just cmatrix of cours Dec 07 07:02:15 okay, can you explain more on tftp boot the archmobile? Dec 07 07:02:21 im sure i understand, but im using a snapshot...is that okay? Dec 07 07:02:30 im sure i will* Dec 07 07:02:34 f3ar007, you'd have to look on the wiki man...that's pretty easy Dec 07 07:02:48 true Dec 07 07:02:57 but I can't go through step by step Dec 07 07:03:00 okay, well thanks for the help again! Dec 07 07:03:18 it's cool just to run something else...but archmobile has to suck compared to Debian on arm Dec 07 07:03:19 really Dec 07 07:03:33 though...its nice it's an option Dec 07 07:03:38 why is that? Dec 07 07:03:39 do it anyway and make it work Dec 07 07:03:48 f3ar007, because of packages mainly Dec 07 07:04:04 oh Dec 07 07:27:09 would this http://code.google.com/p/irssi-libnotify/wiki/MainPage work on the sheeva with no video, therefore no X, or can I install X to get this to work? Dec 07 08:00:24 running programs in X from a remote host just requires video on the system you're trying to open the window on Dec 07 08:07:24 Bryanstein: are you still around? Dec 07 08:08:01 err yes Dec 07 08:08:15 sorry if your busy, i cant figure out the tftpboot Dec 07 08:08:22 it keeps saying serverip not defined Dec 07 08:08:26 and i use setenv Dec 07 08:08:46 well check your env's printenv Dec 07 08:09:05 could you tell me the basic steps because i cant find a solid wiki page? for the overall process or is that too much :P Dec 07 08:09:28 i did check printenv but serverip requires pgup and i cant use that... Dec 07 08:09:57 or do you know which wiki page i should be reading? Dec 07 08:10:20 setenv serverip Dec 07 08:10:25 are you doing that? Dec 07 08:10:42 printenv serverip Dec 07 08:10:51 yea i do that...but it says not defined Dec 07 08:10:58 well set it lol Dec 07 08:11:08 its fairly fast Dec 07 08:11:17 setenv ipaddr Dec 07 08:11:29 setenv ipaddr blahblah.ip of plug Dec 07 08:11:39 setenv serverip ipof server Dec 07 08:11:52 yea i used = instead of space :D sorry Dec 07 08:11:52 ! Dec 07 08:11:59 its late Dec 07 08:12:07 thats my excuse :P Dec 07 08:12:11 well as long as you have the server setup Dec 07 08:12:42 then you just tftpboot 0x8000000 blahblah.initramfs Dec 07 08:13:02 then you just tftpboot 0x2000000 uImage Dec 07 08:13:30 wait where is the wiki Dec 07 08:14:12 uhmm im reading this one... Dec 07 08:14:24 http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/Setting_up_TFTP_and_NFS Dec 07 08:14:34 but i dont think its the correct one Dec 07 08:14:46 well that does suck Dec 07 08:15:45 its here too http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/install.html Dec 07 08:16:03 oh, im trying to install archmobile, i can get debian :X Dec 07 08:17:06 what Dec 07 08:17:19 the instructions are there Dec 07 08:17:21 back when you said use tftpboot, i thought you meant use tftpboot to try and boot archmobile... Dec 07 08:17:22 lol... Dec 07 08:17:28 yes Dec 07 08:17:34 the instructions are there Dec 07 08:17:38 i see them Dec 07 08:17:46 ok so ...have fun Dec 07 08:18:13 at some point...if you can't get something to work on your own...or with help...you should stick to something that does work Dec 07 08:18:38 but trying to make things work is why we have fun ! Dec 07 08:18:41 well here's my question i guess.. archmobile doesnt have a uInitrd Dec 07 08:18:51 only uImage Dec 07 08:18:56 yes it does...somewhere Dec 07 08:19:14 okay, ill look for it, but its not in /boot/ Dec 07 08:20:21 #arch-arm Dec 07 08:20:27 f3ar007, you need to be in there man Dec 07 08:20:28 really Dec 07 08:21:59 alright Dec 07 08:22:43 thanks for you help, sorry if i bothered you! i'll let you know if i ever get it working Dec 07 08:24:19 setenv bootcmd_mmc 'mmcinit; ext2load mmc 0 0x0800000 /uInitrd; ext2load mmc 0 0x400000 /uImage' Dec 07 08:24:29 f3ar007, that is straight from the archmobile wiki Dec 07 08:25:07 I don't know what you're doing buddy...but you need to ask them Dec 07 08:25:22 f3ar007, your problem is your probably didn't partition the thing device right Dec 07 08:25:57 yes, but theres no /uInitrd in the file archmobile-base-kernel26-sheevaplug-2009.10.tar.bz2 Dec 07 08:26:03 okay Dec 07 08:26:15 thanks again! seriously! Dec 07 08:33:55 f3ar007, Dec 07 08:34:06 yes? Dec 07 08:34:16 you need to make an account on their wiki and fix the error...the file is not name uImage... Dec 07 08:34:18 named Dec 07 08:34:42 but you have to fix this...so others won't end up like you Dec 07 08:35:03 well in the wiki it says ln -s /uImage-sheevaplug /uImage Dec 07 08:35:24 i've tried /uImage-sheevaplug as well and it just freezes Dec 07 08:35:34 where debian says ##### bytes read Dec 07 08:35:36 after the bootcmd Dec 07 08:36:36 well I am seeing a differnt page than you Dec 07 08:36:43 I don't see the ln Dec 07 08:37:04 its on the post-install page Dec 07 08:37:06 i think Dec 07 08:37:10 ill get the link Dec 07 08:37:54 http://www.archmobile.org/trac/wiki/AM/SheevaPlug/PostInstallation Dec 07 08:37:58 at the very bottom Dec 07 08:40:28 even here http://sheeva.with-linux.com/sheeva there is no uInitrd Dec 07 08:41:06 but thats not archmobile...its just the kernels for sheeva plug Dec 07 08:41:57 well once again...they're stuff is all screwed up...ask in their channel Dec 07 08:42:15 or just use debian :P Dec 07 08:42:25 which i think i will do, then go to sleep Dec 07 08:42:45 well only 1 guys seems to be running it on sheevaplug and that's the guy that wrote the page Dec 07 08:43:21 yeah, i talked to him a bit, but i didnt have any info to provide for him so i wasn't much help Dec 07 08:43:34 so really...if no one is using it...then there might be issues in the package but no one is bringing these up...and he fails to check his own stuff Dec 07 08:43:48 well post install ...linking the uImage is not post install man Dec 07 08:44:06 there are thing screwed up over there Dec 07 08:44:08 i think thats when i had partitioning errors, but now the card is *correct*, and it just freezes after mmcinit Dec 07 08:44:12 from the bootcmd Dec 07 08:44:34 maybe i can get a hold of him again im not sure Dec 07 08:44:39 well unfreeze it with Debian Dec 07 08:44:57 well...do try...because you are set on getting it to work Dec 07 08:45:05 I'm gone...have fun with Arch Dec 07 08:45:19 * Bryanstein listens to his sheevaplug ...calling him to bed Dec 07 09:47:23 armin76, "10:26 in the truck for delivery TOULOUSE" Dec 07 15:12:57 hey folks, i've got a possibly dumb question... i got my plug today and i've loaded the sheevainstaller 1.0.. im trying to come to grips with how this thing boots, that default ubuntu 9.04 install doesnt use an initrd of any kind does it? Dec 07 15:15:12 im assuming theres no need for one and that the kernel images contain everything needed to be able to talk to all the hardware compiled directly in Dec 07 15:15:49 IIRC, it doesn't use initrd, that's it Dec 07 15:17:15 hmmm... i was curious how i might get an iscsi boot happening, though i guess i could use the nand as an initrd of sorts relaly Dec 07 15:42:04 quite impressed with the little plug too, its got more cpu grunt that i really expected it to Dec 07 15:46:56 not a bad little box. Dec 07 16:28:43 armin76, got the beasts :) Dec 07 16:34:53 armin76, total paid to fedex = 45.96 euros = 34 VAT + 10 fedex fee + 1.96 VAT on fee Dec 07 16:35:12 armin76, need to buy FR power cord now :) Dec 07 16:45:06 34 VAT? highway robbery, if you ask me! Dec 07 17:08:15 mwester, around 15% of the price I paid Dec 07 18:26:55 does the marvell uboot USB stack suck? I have a tonido plug (and a sheeva plug) and the tonido plug has some custom bootcmd set to boot USB and fallback on a nand boot... i have a post on their support forums with no reply Dec 07 18:27:17 basically i can only get the USB boot to work with a cold boot, but not a software reboot Dec 07 18:27:47 i'm wondering if something on the USB stack isn't being initialized in uboot properly and/or not deconfigured properly by linux upon shutdown Dec 07 18:28:40 i'd love to boot via USB since i've heard reports of nand going bad in these plugs, but can't rely on that if I have to physically be at the plug in the event i need to reboot Dec 07 18:29:55 I believe that booting from USB generally works fine Dec 07 18:34:38 I will be trying USB booting with my sheevaplug to see if i can narrow down the problem Dec 07 18:35:29 do you know if the daughter board that has the USB OTG, SD and reset button will plug into the mainboard on the tonidoplug so I can futz with uboot on that one? i'm afraid of setting up uboot on the sheevaplug and using "dd" to get it on the tonido plug, i don't want to brick the thing Dec 07 18:37:57 you cannot brick a sheevaplug. worst case you will have to spend 5 minutes to learn how to load a new uboot over JTAG Dec 07 18:43:01 and buy a JTAG... Dec 07 18:43:35 and i know that, i'm saying i don't want to brick the tonidoplug which doesn't have the extra board with SD, usb OTC, and i think that's the board that has a place for JTAG, right? Dec 07 18:43:45 *otg* Dec 07 18:45:51 the sheevaplug speaks JTAG over USB Dec 07 18:46:06 it does not support USB OTG, BTW Dec 07 18:47:13 only serial over usb i guess? Dec 07 18:47:27 yes Dec 07 18:50:46 so you don't know the answer about the non sheevaplug plugs? Dec 07 18:51:01 i.e. pogoplug/tonidoplug Dec 07 18:51:15 for non sheeva plugs in most cases additional hw is needed to unbrick them Dec 07 18:52:14 yes they dont include this on purpose Dec 07 18:52:26 so you dont rip the nice looking pogoplug firmware :) Dec 07 18:52:59 plus cheaper etc without it Dec 07 18:53:18 So no red button on those, huh? Dec 07 18:53:43 dunno but it doesnt have the openocd/serial/usb port thingy Dec 07 18:53:56 i dont have one, but i nosed at them :) Dec 07 18:54:06 timtimred: if you can log into it you can rip the fw anyway, no need for jtag for that Dec 07 18:54:09 I would presume the sheevaplug debug board can be attached to a pogoplug/tonidoplug at ease Dec 07 18:54:18 yes Dec 07 18:54:27 not sure aobut the at ease part though Dec 07 18:54:38 might need to solder not sure if there is a connector Dec 07 18:57:22 eFfeM1, that's what i was afraid of, i haven't opened it yet to see Dec 07 18:58:13 eFfeM1, i can "rip" the fw, but what if i brick it by writing a bad uboot... what i'm afraid to try would be set up new env using my sheevaplug, dd the entire uboot image out on the sheevaplug, then dd it in for the tonidoplug, but if the bootloader is bork, the entire device is Dec 07 18:58:34 i think there are pics of an open pogo on the web Dec 07 18:58:55 have seen one open IRL but that was months ago and I did not really look too careful at that Dec 07 19:02:20 if you run across it again, let me know :D Dec 07 19:03:36 i know exactly where it is but it is a place i probably won't go in the near future Dec 07 19:03:47 oh, i haven't opened my sheevaplug either yet, it looks like it's not a daughter board, it's on the mainboard, so there's probably no hope... Dec 07 19:03:48 http://nil-techno.blogspot.com/2009/10/sheevaplug-first-impressions.html Dec 07 19:04:10 btw just tired to google for the pics but can't find them, saw the pics of the new pogo, i think it looks ugly Dec 07 19:04:18 especially the colors Dec 07 19:05:11 yup that are the pics, no idea exactly what is needed to add jtag Dec 07 19:06:51 well, Md said the jtag is over usb... not exactly sure how that's done, i don't know too much about jtag Dec 07 19:07:09 i had the impression that the jtag was a small daughter board, but looking at the pics it isn't (I must say i never opened my sheeva) Dec 07 19:07:49 jtag uses an usb connector it is the mini one you see on the sheeva plugs, it exposes a serial port and the jtag interface Dec 07 19:10:19 well, now the question will be is the jtag/serial support there, but just not populated with a connector? i.e. can i just buy a $0.15 mini usb and solder it on and be rocking jtag/serial on the non "dev" board? :D i'll probably have to answer that one myself by opening the tonidoplug Dec 07 19:11:44 hardware pinout might be different: http://www.pogoplugged.com/forum/thread/11602/openOCD-on-Pogoplug/ Dec 07 19:12:31 no, the chip is not there if i recall correctly Dec 07 19:13:51 no reason for the chip to be there if the connector isn't; the ftdi chip does nothing else. Dec 07 19:13:53 materdaddy: i think that trhread tells it all Dec 07 19:14:16 mwester: indeed, just a waste of money for the manufacturer Dec 07 19:21:40 mwester hows your projects etc going Dec 07 19:22:26 * timtimred has dropped off OE a bit of late Dec 07 19:22:40 i need to get back in....someone needs to update samba! Dec 07 19:22:49 :) Dec 07 19:26:15 * mwester has had no time; even the plug hasn't been booted in months. :( Dec 07 19:26:46 its one of those years isnt it. Dec 07 19:26:56 I keep the SlugOS images building in OE, but the mods to make SlugOS boot on the plug have grown too stale to merge. ( Dec 07 19:27:05 the definition of a recession; more work is done my fewer :) Dec 07 19:27:13 Yep. Dec 07 19:37:26 timtimred: out of curiosity, what samba version is Dec 07 19:37:30 OE using> Dec 07 19:37:31 ? Dec 07 19:37:44 meh, can't seem to be able to type tonight Dec 07 19:42:45 kblin it depends on the project in OE, there are several versions available Dec 07 19:44:04 right, should have guessed, considering that there's more than just angstrom using OE to build their stuff Dec 07 19:45:42 my brain just triggers on "samba" :) Dec 07 19:46:04 bbl dinnertime Dec 07 19:49:08 * mwester 's brain also triggers on "samba", but not in a good way ;-) Dec 07 23:54:06 Stupid question time: Whats the difference between ARM and ARMEL? Dec 07 23:54:24 in this context: http://people.debian.org/~aurel32/qemu/ Dec 07 23:54:51 was trying to get a platform where I can build/test stuff for Sheeva using Qemu Dec 07 23:54:58 arm is old ABI, armel is new EABI Dec 07 23:55:18 so I should pick armel? Dec 07 23:56:14 yes Dec 07 23:56:55 thanks... Dec 08 02:11:07 hey folks... i got a usb disk plugged into the computer and it works (in uboot) for the plug when its first turned on, but after that uboot seems completely unable to read it ever again (i.e. rebooting)... is that a common/known thing? i see lots of things about usb booting, but nothing that sounds like that though I may not have read enough...? Dec 08 02:38:07 Shihan_, i have the same problem with a tonidoplug, uboot only reads the USB stick properly on cold boot Dec 08 02:38:16 removing power works, but no software reboot Dec 08 02:40:00 its a little weird... but the kernel seems to still be loaded after a reboot, so i can actually still boot the OS, but never mess with the harddrive from u-boot after that initial power on **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 08 02:59:56 2009