**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 08 02:59:56 2009
Dec 08 03:03:15 <morfic> materdaddy: usb has been rather iffy for me when booting off of 2 usb disks, WD "mybook"s
Dec 08 03:03:45 <morfic> i can actually now reboot since i moved the two drives out of the "books" into a raid usb/esata enclosure \o/
Dec 08 03:04:50 <morfic> Shihan_: and yes, if i got them to boot, in linux the disks worked and woke up fine, but in uboot it was almost impossible to time it right, to boot from them after sheeva was on, uboot--
Dec 08 03:05:52 <morfic> Shihan_: unless a newer uboot fixes this, it is an annoying "normal uboot behaviour" out of the box
Dec 08 03:06:25 <Shihan_> i figured as much... it doesnt really hurt too much so long as i use the nand flash as a place for storing kernels rather then storing them on the usb device
Dec 08 03:07:22 <morfic> i have my kernel on the usb disk :)
Dec 08 03:32:42 <PhotoJim> my Sheeva boots off a single USB hard disk fine.  I'm not using a USB hub, not sure if that's important.
Dec 08 03:42:14 <Shihan_> mines not using a hub either... single usb disk
Dec 08 03:42:37 <Shihan_> mine actually does still boot even with the weirdness... its just after that first boot it can no longer see the disk from u-boot
Dec 08 03:44:20 <PhotoJim> oh, weird.  I'm not having that problem at all.
Dec 08 06:37:34 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: what uboot commands are you using?
Dec 08 06:38:20 <Shihan_> actually... im just about to log... but i did do a forum post here http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=1058.0
Dec 08 06:38:55 <Shihan_> its mostly this command "usb start; ext2load usb 0:1 0x00800000 /boot/uImage" it'll work once and never again until i power cycle the plug
Dec 08 06:39:33 <Shihan_> but it seems to retain the kernel at 0x00800000 so if i reboot later the kernel is still there and i can boot from that point in the memory still...
Dec 08 06:40:38 <Shihan_> but, if i "reset" in uboot, thats when its fatal, it cant see the usb stroage anymore and the kernel is no longer sitting at some point in memory
Dec 08 06:41:29 <tinker-f595> hmm I do not have that problem with my plug...I'll find you the link to what I use
Dec 08 06:41:39 <Shihan_> at that point the usb boot fails and it drops back to rebooting from nand
Dec 08 06:43:21 <tinker-f595> if you look at the text below the table you will see what I use http://www.openplug.org/plugwiki/index.php/External_Hard_Drives
Dec 08 06:43:38 <tinker-f595> It has not problems with soft boots
Dec 08 06:44:03 <Shihan_> actually, i was using exactly that from that page originally... :)
Dec 08 06:44:28 <Shihan_> unfortunately the reset at the end was the thing that put it into the "dead forever" state cause it clears off the memory after a soft boot
Dec 08 06:45:27 <tinker-f595> it should only hit the reset if you have a really slow drive and the reset should just cause it to boot again
Dec 08 06:46:33 <Shihan_> yes, originally i had a failing boot loader though, so it was dropping to the reset command and took a little while to relise i had to power cycle in order to bring it back
Dec 08 06:46:53 <tinker-f595> which u-boot build are you using?
Dec 08 06:47:00 <tinker-f595> also which kernel?
Dec 08 06:47:39 <Shihan_> but, after usb start; ext2load; bootm... its a power cycle to make the usb accessible again (From uboot ie)
Dec 08 06:47:48 <Shihan_> from the sheevainstaller 1.0 one
Dec 08 06:48:18 <tinker-f595> well which kernel?
Dec 08 06:48:30 <Shihan_> same with the with kernel actuall... 2.6.30.6?
Dec 08 06:48:34 <tinker-f595> I prefer the earlier installer
Dec 08 06:48:50 <tinker-f595> wrong kernel for fedora 12
Dec 08 06:49:27 <Shihan_> yeah, i know... that shouldnt cause huge drama's though cause the rfs in fedora 12 is very very minimal
Dec 08 06:50:40 <tinker-f595> I think it will.  I think fedora 12 needs some of the features found in a 2.6.32 kernel
Dec 08 06:50:42 <Shihan_> im actually compiling a 2.6.32 custom version though (or attmpting to) with the dm-replicator bits
Dec 08 06:51:03 <tinker-f595> where are you pulling it from?
Dec 08 06:51:12 <Shihan_> patchwork :)
Dec 08 06:51:20 <tinker-f595> bad...
Dec 08 06:51:40 <tinker-f595> start with stuff that is known to work first
Dec 08 06:51:58 <Shihan_> i'll have a go with the fed 12 kernel and see how it goes...
Dec 08 06:52:23 <Shihan_> oh, when i say patchwork, what i mean is just the dm-replicator patches... the kernel will be from the orion git
Dec 08 06:53:00 <tinker-f595> well first use the orion git stuff and once you know it is working ok then add the dm-replicator stuff
Dec 08 06:53:22 <tinker-f595> other wise it will make it more difficult to debug
Dec 08 06:53:26 <Shihan_> oh, dont get me wrong, the plug is working beautifully, anything thats not working on mine i consider entirely my own fault :)
Dec 08 06:53:32 <tinker-f595> in a simple fashion
Dec 08 06:54:07 <Shihan_> yeah, i was planning on that in any case... the dm-replicator patches dont apply cleanly anyways as yet
Dec 08 06:54:28 <Shihan_> not in orion at least
Dec 08 06:54:32 <tinker-f595> I have to put mine back together.  I borrowed the usb drive enclosure for a data recovery project for a power book that crashed after many years of use
Dec 08 06:54:58 <tinker-f595> So now that I have retrieved that data I can put the drive for the sheevaplug back in the enclosure
Dec 08 06:55:45 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: also check the mainline,. I think all the sheevaplug kernel patches are in there
Dec 08 06:56:06 <tinker-f595> I am still waiting for the openrd client patches to make it into the main line
Dec 08 06:56:38 <Shihan_> im quite a bit more impressed then i expected to be tbh...
Dec 08 06:56:55 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: I also think the shieevaplug is now fully supported in the u-boot mainline.  Other here may be able to confirm that.
Dec 08 06:57:07 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: ??
Dec 08 06:57:26 <tinker-f595> oh yes the sheevaplug is quite impressive
Dec 08 06:57:39 <Shihan_> i was just having a look at mainline cause i do have a working 2.6.32 kernel with dm-replicator...
Dec 08 06:58:18 <Shihan_> do you have an openrd?
Dec 08 06:59:16 <tinker-f595> I have an openrd client
Dec 08 06:59:28 <Shihan_> they look like a pretty nice board too... wouldn't mind getting one for playing around on though i've not really read heaps about them...
Dec 08 06:59:38 <tinker-f595> Shihan_:  by the way have you seen http://computingplugs.com/index.php/SheevaPlug_Real_time_Statistics ?
Dec 08 07:00:32 <Shihan_> hmmm.. that page looks familiar actually...
Dec 08 07:00:52 <tinker-f595> maybe you attempted to slashdot it?
Dec 08 07:01:01 <tinker-f595> it survived slashdot!
Dec 08 07:01:40 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: I have to go to sleep...have an early meeting
Dec 08 07:01:58 <Shihan_> was this from that slashdot arricle a little while ago where the guy was looking for a cheap (power) linux server or something?
Dec 08 07:02:05 <Shihan_> yeah, i've gotta dash as well actually
Dec 08 07:02:18 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: good luck in getting your plug stable and remember to publish your answer
Dec 08 07:02:40 <tinker-f595> Shihan_: yes that was the article!
Dec 08 07:02:41 <Shihan_> i suispect its going to be something to do with my cheap old usb hard drive :D
Dec 08 07:03:02 <Shihan_> it was actually that article that made me interested in the plug again and want to get one
Dec 08 07:03:37 <tinker-f595> Well I have a 2.5 inch 40 gb hitachi drive I salvaged from an old powerbook and put in a macally phr-350cc enclosure
Dec 08 07:04:25 <Shihan_> hmmm... mines a lacie i got given by someone... its a westerndigital ide 5400 2.5" inside iirc but 160gb...
Dec 08 07:05:19 <Shihan_> but i have had "fun" with this drive in some situations.. though usually its just power thats a problem
Dec 08 07:06:29 <Shihan_> anyways, i'll be around in here fairly often no doubt :)
Dec 08 07:06:33 <Shihan_> have a good one!