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Mar 09 12:44:11 <mjl-> heh, i'm trying to write a sata driver for inferno
Mar 09 12:44:34 <mjl-> have been trying yesterday to get some sign of link to the sata driver, this morning too
Mar 09 12:45:00 <mjl-> now it appears only the second port is connected, not the first.  i've been talking to the wrong port :P
Mar 09 14:25:10 <Mike_> hey
Mar 09 14:25:24 <Mike_> I was wondering what you guys thought of these http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/c-4-guruplugs.aspx
Mar 09 14:25:45 <Guest11879> whoops, brb
Mar 09 14:26:01 <mikedep333> there, back
Mar 09 16:35:51 <chemicaloliver> mikedep333: I find them a bit disappointing
Mar 09 16:36:00 <chemicaloliver> after the sheevaplug 3.0 announcments
Mar 09 16:42:15 <mikedep333> wow, interesting
Mar 09 16:42:17 <mikedep333> 2 ghz
Mar 09 16:42:47 <mikedep333> what I don't understand is how fast is the kirkwood cpu compared to an ARM cortex A8 of the same mhz?
Mar 09 16:43:46 <mikedep333> also, while it may require more power, more USB ports would be nice
Mar 09 16:57:23 <mikedep333> chemicaloliver, do you know if we'll be able to order them any time soon?
Mar 09 16:57:45 <mikedep333> ionics will only sell you the original
Mar 09 16:57:46 <mikedep333> http://www.ionicsplug.com/compare.html
Mar 09 16:59:06 <chemicaloliver> mikedep333: they announced at ceebit that they'll be around Q3 2010 for 400 dollars
Mar 09 17:01:08 <mikedep333> $400 with a hard drive? that still sounds expensive for something with only 512MB of ram. oh well
Mar 09 17:07:41 <chemicaloliver> mikedep333: yeah I think and a 2GHz processor
Mar 09 17:09:40 <chemicaloliver> http://www.plugcomputer.eu/?page_id=867
Mar 09 18:23:35 <ShadowJK> mikedep333, speed depends on the app
Mar 09 18:30:22 <ShadowJK> distributed.net is about 1.6X faster on N900's omap3 (cortex a8) than on sheevaplug, per clock
Mar 09 19:34:43 <mikedep333> ShadowJK, ok, thanks
Mar 09 19:36:20 <mikedep333> if I decided to build/buy a low cost server today, I would either go with an original sheevaplug for $100, or a nettop with a (dual-core) atom and 1 or 2 GB of RAM for $200
Mar 09 19:40:18 <chemicaloliver> mikedep333: those are exactly my thoughts
Mar 09 19:40:45 <chemicaloliver> even a single core atom is a lot more powerful than the sheevaplug cpu
Mar 09 19:41:00 <mikedep333> chemicaloliver, yeah
Mar 09 19:41:13 <mikedep333> I originally thought the sheevaplug cpu was a cortex A8
Mar 09 19:41:41 <ShadowJK> that same distributed.net example, per clock cortex a8 and atom came out pretty much equal :)
Mar 09 19:42:05 <mikedep333> I thought the cortex would be faster per clock
Mar 09 19:56:20 <sevenseeker> when is the plug 3.0 supposed to debut? And will it be in the same price range?
Mar 09 20:09:06 <chemicaloliver> sevenseeker: announced to be Q3 around $400
Mar 09 20:09:37 <sevenseeker> wow, that is quite an increase in price
Mar 09 20:09:44 <sevenseeker> hmmmm, thank you chemicaloliver
Mar 09 20:12:18 <chemicaloliver> The price point is a bit high, otherwise I would like one but I always thought $100 for those specs was not gonna happen!
Mar 09 20:42:05 <ShadowJK> mikedep333, they're both dual issue I think?
Mar 09 20:42:21 <ShadowJK> Atom is helped by every programmer and every compiler knowing how to write for x86
Mar 09 21:29:44 <axel_foley> can somebody help me to get usb2vga on my sheevaplug? i cant understand a few things..
Mar 09 21:30:13 <axel_foley> i have folllow thid instruction http://beckdavid.blogspot.com/2010/01/sheevaplug-experiences.html
Mar 09 21:31:54 <axel_foley> i run the ./README-2.6.32.3 --nandkernel. but how to patch this kernel with * udlfb.c.patch  get it on this site http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=343.45
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Mar 11 09:01:19 <mjl-> does anyone know why uboot takes a long time at startup at the line with "NAND:" at the start?
Mar 11 09:01:40 <mjl-> it seems it may be reading all the flash memory to find bad blocks.  but what would be the use of that?
Mar 11 16:23:36 <chemicaloliver> mjl-: could it be reading the kernel from the nand into the ram?
Mar 11 16:25:39 <mjl-> no, the NAND: thing is printed even before you get the autoboot/prompt
Mar 11 16:25:50 <mjl-> which is where it really loads a kernel
Mar 11 16:26:13 <mjl-> and that may be from sd,usb,sata,network too
Mar 11 22:49:01 * sevenseeker wants to make a machine that goes 'piiiiiing!' out of a plug
Mar 11 22:49:12 <sevenseeker> bonus points to folks that get that reference :)
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