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May 31 04:32:01 <tinker-f595> from the "88F6281Integrated Controller Hardware Specifications"
May 31 04:32:10 <tinker-f595> TC	     -40      125  °C    Case temperature
May 31 04:32:10 <tinker-f595> TSTG      -40      125 °C     Storage temperature
May 31 04:32:10 <tinker-f595> TJ         0         105 °C     Junction Temperature
May 31 04:33:10 <tinker-f595> the doc is available at http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/embedded/kirkwood/HW_88F6281_OpenSource.pdf
May 31 04:34:08 <tinker-f595> the functional spec is available at
May 31 04:47:47 <tinker-f595> http://www.marvell.com/products/processors/embedded/kirkwood/FS_88F6180_9x_6281_OpenSource.pdf
May 31 04:49:27 <tilman> did anyone try to contact marvell about the source code for uaputl?
May 31 04:52:50 <tinker-f595> tilman: just make a post to the forum at plugcomputer.org. A few marvell developers are active there
May 31 04:53:13 <tilman> there's already a thread about this
May 31 04:53:19 <tilman> i figured email might be more effective :)
May 31 05:01:01 <tinker-f595> doubt it very much
May 31 05:01:26 <tinker-f595> you are more likely to run across one of the developers on the forum
May 31 05:01:33 <tinker-f595> sometimes they appear here
May 31 05:01:50 <tinker-f595> after a while you will realize who they are.
May 31 05:05:46 <Tootoot222> a wild devolper has appeared!
May 31 05:16:34 <jzaw_pl> wild ... he was livid ;)
May 31 05:26:04 <tinker-f595> ha
May 31 05:26:41 <tinker-f595> Tootoot222:  it only counts if it is an actual Marvell developer
May 31 06:41:44 <ulterior_modem> The thing that kills me is that uaputl doesnt work unless you are using the AP firmware.
May 31 06:42:06 <ulterior_modem> I've mods planned that cannot happen unless you can use uaputl to change the antenna.
May 31 06:42:44 <ulterior_modem> oh I mean to confirm that. The external antenna connector works on the guruplug, you've just got to use the mentioned utility to switch the antenna.
May 31 07:25:02 <jzaw_pl> lo ulterior_modem do i read that right ... you got the external antenna connection working?
May 31 07:25:33 <jzaw_pl> its a shame its not an wifi n card  ... i guess a usb jobbie will do instead
May 31 19:50:07 <jzaw_pl> poing
May 31 19:56:19 <NightMonkey> tinker-f595: There is one other interesting temperature:
May 31 19:56:28 <NightMonkey> tinker-f595: TJ 0 105 ?C Junction Temperature
May 31 19:56:45 <NightMonkey> tinker-f595: Page 78 of the first doc you linked.
May 31 19:57:05 <NightMonkey> tinker-f595: And that's a "Reccomended Operating Condition"
May 31 20:41:11 <chemicaloliver> has anybody had experience returning sheevaplugs with a blown psu to globalscale?
May 31 20:41:18 <chemicaloliver> or even if they let you return them
May 31 20:45:34 <kblin> well, I guess my PSU blew when my sheevaplug died
May 31 20:45:48 <kblin> I had a lot of fun sending it in and getting it back
May 31 20:46:30 <kblin> but that's probably because they got confused about addresses
May 31 20:46:44 <kblin> I had it delivered to a conference in the US I was attending
May 31 20:47:01 <chemicaloliver> kblin: did you eventually get a new one?
May 31 20:47:07 <kblin> yeah
May 31 20:47:26 <kblin> I then brought it back home to germany, where it died. I got an RMA#, but shipping to the US is more expensive than the plug
May 31 20:47:43 <kblin> fortunately, I was attending another conference in the US a week later
May 31 20:48:09 <chemicaloliver> did you buy it from globalscale?
May 31 20:48:15 <kblin> yeah
May 31 20:48:39 <chemicaloliver> I bought mine from newit in the UK so I'm hoping not to have to send it to the US?
May 31 20:48:51 <chemicaloliver> if possible (and that last post wasn't a question)
May 31 20:49:13 <kblin> well, I haven't tried with newit
May 31 20:49:55 <jzaw_pl> it has to be said if you buy  in the uk from newit ... you have your _contract_ with them
May 31 20:50:00 <jzaw_pl> not globalscales
May 31 20:50:18 <kblin> yeah
May 31 20:50:19 <jzaw_pl> they are really responsible for warranties
May 31 20:50:45 <jzaw_pl> if you buy with a credit card ... they are both individually and jointly responsible
May 31 20:50:47 <kblin> so if the unit needs to be sent to the US or not is not your problem, for all I understand
May 31 20:50:56 <chemicaloliver> jzaw_pl: newIT refered me to globalscale...on the warrenty card they gave it says they do the first 30 days and globalscale after...
May 31 20:51:06 <chemicaloliver> but what you say is correct under uk law
May 31 20:51:14 <chemicaloliver> so I've told them that
May 31 20:51:23 <jzaw_pl> they cant divest themselves of that responsibility
May 31 20:51:53 <jzaw_pl> but i know jason king is taking it seriously and things should be easier to argue in the uk
May 31 20:52:22 <chemicaloliver> yeah I've always had good experiences with newit up to now
May 31 20:52:31 <kblin> well, warranty they can, but whatever is the legally required thing they can't
May 31 20:53:02 <jzaw_pl> apart from the fact that most electronics now in the EU must be covered by a 2 year warranty
May 31 20:53:32 <kblin> defects liability
May 31 20:53:54 <kblin> which technically differs from warranty
May 31 20:53:57 <kblin> but yeah
May 31 20:54:05 <chemicaloliver> shame globalscale didn't make a better job of designing the psu....
May 31 20:54:25 <jzaw_pl> its curious they didnt actually put the psu separate to the main box
May 31 20:54:43 <jzaw_pl> afterall a 5v 2A brick is not any larger than a 13A uk plug
May 31 20:55:05 <chemicaloliver> indeed I think the openrd has an external psu
May 31 20:55:18 <jzaw_pl> my sheeva is ok so far (im into my 3rd week of continous power up time)
May 31 20:55:28 <jzaw_pl> but i do plan to replace it externally when i get back
May 31 20:55:38 <chemicaloliver> I've just cross the 4th month!
May 31 20:55:47 <jzaw_pl> no heat issues?
May 31 20:56:33 <chemicaloliver> well it gets very hot and that's what will have caused this probably
May 31 20:56:45 <jzaw_pl> oh yours died?
May 31 20:56:51 <chemicaloliver> usually about 40C on the top
May 31 20:56:51 * jzaw_pl scrolls back to read the chat
May 31 20:57:49 <kblin> well, the replacement unit I got runs 24/7 since november, I think
May 31 20:57:59 <jzaw_pl> ah good
May 31 20:58:27 <kblin> the first unit I had died within the first month of usage
May 31 20:58:33 <jzaw_pl> ive got mine booting off esata
May 31 20:58:43 <jzaw_pl> the drive is in a metal icybox
May 31 20:58:48 <chemicaloliver> ah, mine is the one without esata
May 31 20:58:48 <jzaw_pl> and the hd runs COLD
May 31 20:58:59 <jzaw_pl> which is amazing .... so i put the sheeva ontop of that
May 31 20:59:12 <kblin> ah, I have the old thing, no esata on mine
May 31 20:59:21 <jzaw_pl> and the metal sinks away any heat generated a bit quicker than just freestanding
May 31 21:01:30 <jzaw_pl> http://www.raidsonic.de/en/products/external-cases.php?we_objectID=6138
May 31 21:01:34 <jzaw_pl> this is the case
May 31 21:01:39 <jzaw_pl> esata + usb2
May 31 21:02:09 <jzaw_pl> its a simple design ... two metal plates with thumbscrews at the corners
May 31 21:02:57 <chemicaloliver> I read on the openplug forums lots of psu fails happen when you're using a usb powered hd which is what I was doing
May 31 21:03:12 <jzaw_pl> were you powering the hd from the usb?
May 31 21:03:16 <chemicaloliver> yeah
May 31 21:03:22 <jzaw_pl> ive got 3 usb webcams on mine
May 31 21:03:33 <jzaw_pl> via a non powered 4way hub
May 31 21:03:50 <chemicaloliver> it was only a 1.8" hd though so nothing too demanding
May 31 21:03:54 <chemicaloliver> oh and an arduino
May 31 21:03:58 <jzaw_pl> tiny!
May 31 21:04:07 <jzaw_pl> ooh what were you doing with the arduino?
May 31 21:04:44 <chemicaloliver> measuring temperture using a DS18B20 and uploading to pachube
May 31 21:05:00 <jzaw_pl> cool
May 31 21:05:05 <jzaw_pl> are they expensive?
May 31 21:05:55 <chemicaloliver> about 25 pounds if you buy the offical one, or about half if you buy a clone
May 31 21:06:07 <jzaw_pl> cool
May 31 21:06:08 <chemicaloliver> I built my own in this case
May 31 21:06:42 <jzaw_pl> cool
Jun 01 01:42:05 <NightMonkey> Any guides to installing Das U-Boot to *plugs via JTAG? I don't need it now, but I'd like to know before I update u-boot.
Jun 01 01:42:49 <Tootoot222> NightMonkey: http://plugcomputer.org/plugwiki/index.php/Das_U-boot_plug_support
Jun 01 01:43:41 <NightMonkey> Tootoot222: Oh, yeah, forgot about that. Thanks!
Jun 01 01:43:45 <Tootoot222> np
Jun 01 01:44:45 <NightMonkey> Tootoot222: Will that guide work with GuruPlugs without modification?
Jun 01 01:45:00 <Tootoot222> it should, afaik
Jun 01 01:45:06 <Tootoot222> i haven't gotten my guru yet
Jun 01 01:45:50 <NightMonkey> Tootoot222: I wish GlobalScale would publish their build recipes. :/
Jun 01 01:46:40 <Tootoot222> give them a mail/phone call and ask!
Jun 01 01:46:45 <Tootoot222> then publish them on the wiki
Jun 01 01:48:06 <NightMonkey> Tootoot222: Yah, that's a good idea. I was very happy when I asked Wikipedia sysops their mysql configuration files. ;)
Jun 01 01:48:21 <Tootoot222> lol
Jun 01 01:54:17 <NightMonkey> Tootoot222: Done (through the web form). Hope it goes somewhere.
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