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Sep 11 17:59:34 <Gorroth> hmm
Sep 11 17:59:40 <Gorroth> so these sheevaplugs and guruplugs
Sep 11 18:00:09 <Gorroth> sounds like they die young from overheating.  recently read some reviews of the guruplug to that effect, and then a few days later my sheevaplug died
Sep 11 18:00:29 <Gorroth> had only been using it for 8-9 months
Sep 11 18:04:01 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: interesting.
Sep 11 18:04:20 <Gorroth> yeah.  it was a sad day
Sep 11 18:04:26 <Gorroth> i buried it with a small service in the trash can
Sep 11 18:04:39 <Gorroth> only one friend of the family showed up
Sep 11 18:04:56 <tinker-f595> mine has been running since June of 2009 with a 2.5 " usb drive hanging off of it and it has survived multiple power outages
Sep 11 18:05:22 <tinker-f595> why did you bury it in the trash can?
Sep 11 18:05:42 <tinker-f595> globalscale sells a replacement power supply for $10
Sep 11 18:07:07 <Gorroth> i think they should give it to me for free
Sep 11 18:07:20 <Gorroth> and if it's that flaky, i can't keep depending on it
Sep 11 18:07:30 <tinker-f595> well depends on if you abused it by using it on a bad mains supply
Sep 11 18:08:22 <tinker-f595> out of curiosity which part of the world are you in?
Sep 11 18:08:22 <Gorroth> i guess it does, except it was on a UPS
Sep 11 18:08:31 <Gorroth> which regulates the power
Sep 11 18:08:40 <Gorroth> around NY in the USA
Sep 11 18:09:21 <tinker-f595> assuming the UPS is good
Sep 11 18:09:26 <Gorroth> UPS is fantastic
Sep 11 18:09:29 <jontyw> Hello!
Sep 11 18:09:37 <jontyw> I've just come back from holiday to find my sheevaplug unresponsive
Sep 11 18:09:46 <jontyw> I shoved a miniusb cable in, but weirdly it's not actually appearing as a serial device
Sep 11 18:09:49 <Gorroth> anyway, considering that they seem to have a high failure rate, i easily blame globalscale
Sep 11 18:09:53 <tinker-f595> have you tested to see there is leakage voltage?
Sep 11 18:09:53 <jontyw> In fact, dmesg reports _nothing at all_
Sep 11 18:10:04 <jontyw>  I figured it was the cable at first, but after trying three I've ruled that out
Sep 11 18:10:07 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: no need.  the UPS is great
Sep 11 18:10:13 <jontyw> Also, weirdly, both the network lights are turned on around the jack, and I'm not sure they used to do that
Sep 11 18:10:24 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: let's not try to place the blame on something other than the sheevaplug's manufacturing :)
Sep 11 18:10:25 <jontyw> Only one of the lights on the main body of the device is illuminated
Sep 11 18:10:26 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: if you have not tested you do not know
Sep 11 18:10:32 <jontyw> And nothing seems to happen when I hit the serial reset
Sep 11 18:10:53 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: i know that those 10 other devices on the 1 GW UPS are just fine :)
Sep 11 18:10:54 <jontyw> Any help/advice appreciated, right now I'm thinking the thing is properly bricked, but I have no idea why
Sep 11 18:10:54 <tinker-f595> johnsu01: did you remember to load the fdti driver on the host?
Sep 11 18:11:00 <Gorroth> i mean 1.3 GW
Sep 11 18:11:13 <jontyw> tinker-f595, I assume you mean me, not johnsu01 :)
Sep 11 18:11:17 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: that is faulty reasoning
Sep 11 18:11:36 <tinker-f595> jontyw: oops
Sep 11 18:11:40 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: no, it's empirical logic
Sep 11 18:11:43 <jontyw> tinker-f595, and yes, I loaded the usb-serial and ftdi_sio drivers, although I shouldn't have to as it's normally autoloaded
Sep 11 18:11:51 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: faulty logic
Sep 11 18:11:55 <Gorroth> empirical
Sep 11 18:11:56 <jontyw> (That was a shot in the dark, it didn't work)
Sep 11 18:12:06 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: if you want to buy me a new sheevaplug, i'll consider using it again
Sep 11 18:12:13 <Gorroth> until then, i don't really much care
Sep 11 18:12:24 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: as I said faulty logic
Sep 11 18:12:28 <jontyw> tinker-f595, when the plug is working, are the network lights illuminated all the time, and when are the lights on the main body of the plug turned on?
Sep 11 18:12:41 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: as i said, everything else has been working fine for years
Sep 11 18:12:41 <tinker-f595> the other devices are plugged into other sockets in your UPS?
Sep 11 18:12:43 <jontyw> (I can't remember, the thing has been quietly working in a cupboard for like a year)
Sep 11 18:12:53 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: I would say not
Sep 11 18:13:15 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: i could sit here and debate with you, or could just know what i know and not debate it.  i'm not willing to go into my testing methodologies
Sep 11 18:13:23 <Gorroth> i'm going with not debating
Sep 11 18:13:30 <tinker-f595> jontyw: well you need the ftdi driver loaded on the host machine so it can talk to the plug
Sep 11 18:13:51 <tinker-f595> Gorroth: it sounds like you have no testing methodology
Sep 11 18:13:53 <jontyw> <jontyw> tinker-f595, and yes, I loaded the usb-serial and ftdi_sio drivers
Sep 11 18:13:56 <jontyw> :)
Sep 11 18:14:04 <Gorroth> tinker-f595: if that's what you want to think, i don't really care
Sep 11 18:14:28 <tinker-f595> jontyw: try unloading the driver modules and reloading them
Sep 11 18:14:53 <tinker-f595> also check which usbTTYx devices are created when they load
Sep 11 18:15:31 <jontyw> Tried that, and none are created at all
Sep 11 18:15:39 <tinker-f595> I have seen situations where they show up as numbers you do not expected
Sep 11 18:15:56 <tinker-f595> jontyw: what OS is the host running?
Sep 11 18:15:59 <jontyw> FYI, it doesn't show up under lsusb either
Sep 11 18:16:05 <jontyw> tinker-f595, ubuntu 10.04
Sep 11 18:16:51 <jontyw> The status lights on the plug don't blink or do _anything_ when it's plugged in, they're just constantly illuminated
Sep 11 18:17:07 <tinker-f595> jontyw: so you do not see them in /dev ?
Sep 11 18:17:12 <jontyw> tinker-f595, no
Sep 11 18:17:33 <tinker-f595> well that may just mean no traffic
Sep 11 18:17:48 <jontyw> tinker-f595, the machine doesn't see any kind of usb device plugged in (other than the usual), it's as if the cable isn't plugged in at all
Sep 11 18:18:04 <tinker-f595> have you tried pushing the reset on the sheevaplug with a paper clip
Sep 11 18:18:07 <jontyw> Yes
Sep 11 18:18:28 <tinker-f595> and the cable is plugged all the way in?  the original cable is not the best fit.
Sep 11 18:18:32 <jontyw> Yes
Sep 11 18:18:39 <jontyw> I've tried multiple cables
Sep 11 18:18:46 <tinker-f595> hmmmm
Sep 11 18:18:50 <jontyw> Including the cable I used when I first flashed it
Sep 11 18:18:55 <tinker-f595> and nothing happens when you ping?
Sep 11 18:19:08 <jontyw> Nothing at all
Sep 11 18:19:25 <jontyw> As I said, it does absolutely nothing. It really looks like it's totally bricked.
Sep 11 18:20:40 <tinker-f595> did you try restarting the ubuntu box in case something is hosed on that end ?
Sep 11 18:20:49 <jontyw> yup
Sep 11 18:21:18 <jontyw> Other usb devices are working fine on it, although I left my spare usb-serial converter in the office, so I can't test that specific driver
Sep 11 18:22:28 <jontyw> But as I said, I don't think it's a driver issue as nothing is showing up in lsusb, so even the low-level usb comms seem to be shitted
Sep 11 18:26:50 <jontyw> Aha
Sep 11 18:26:57 <jontyw> Looks like I'm not the only one to have this problem
Sep 11 18:26:58 <jontyw> http://plugcomputer.org/plugforum/index.php?topic=1318.0
Sep 11 18:27:03 <jontyw> I'll open mine up
Sep 11 18:34:24 * jontyw will be soldering in a new power supply ttomorrow
Sep 11 18:38:46 <tinker-f595> jontyw: when did you purchase yours?
Sep 11 18:39:06 <jontyw> tinker-f595, christ, about a year ago I guess?
Sep 11 18:39:42 <tinker-f595> just wondering which batch you got yours in
Sep 11 18:41:43 <tinker-f595> that was a little before  hitachi issued an alert that there were fake electrolytic capacitors  discovered on the market
Sep 11 18:42:00 <tinker-f595> I got mine when they first started shipping the sheevaplug
Sep 11 18:42:09 <tinker-f595> and it has been very realiable
Sep 11 18:42:50 <tinker-f595> jontyw: I wonder if a capacitor has gone bad in your power supply?
Sep 11 18:45:05 <tinker-f595> well time to go out
Sep 11 20:20:21 <Tootoot222> jontyw: what power supply will you be using?
Sep 11 20:37:06 <Gorroth> i just got a guruplug to replace the sheevaplug that died on me yesterday
Sep 11 20:37:22 <Gorroth> maybe i'll mod it so it doesn't overheat again
Sep 11 21:04:38 <Tootoot222> Gorroth: you can just solder a generic 5v 2a+ charger onto the cables that go to the motherboard from the PSU
Sep 11 21:04:44 <Tootoot222> no need to spend 170$ on a new unit =p
Sep 11 21:04:49 <Tootoot222> a 15$ charger will work
Sep 11 21:05:31 <ShadowJK> powersupply
Sep 11 21:05:33 <ShadowJK> not charger
Sep 11 21:05:35 <Gorroth> well, the old system was busted
Sep 11 21:05:45 <Gorroth> CPU crapped out
Sep 11 21:05:47 <ShadowJK> Though many "chargers" are actually powersupplies. Just don't try to use a real charger.
Sep 12 01:58:30 <cpg> hi, i tried to make the internal nand a swap area, however, i am getting all sorts of errors. cannot write bootbits, then i/o errors, etc. ... i am wondering if i am missing something
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